Syrian Civil War: News #2

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:And I think it's time to stop with these boring moral tirades. It's easy to say "oh, they support the tyrant X" or "oh, they support the group X that does Y" etc. sitting in front of a computer and drinking beer. Put yourselves in the shoes of people responsible for US foreign policy who have to navigate the complex world of geopolitics and make decisions that can affect their country for decades to come - and the entire thing will not look as simple anymore.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter - so don't be too quick to call them terrorists.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:And I think it's time to stop with these boring moral tirades. It's easy to say "oh, they support the tyrant X" or "oh, they support the group X that does Y" etc. sitting in front of a computer and drinking beer. Put yourselves in the shoes of people responsible for US foreign policy who have to navigate the complex world of geopolitics and make decisions that can affect their country for decades to come - and the entire thing will not look as simple anymore.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Werewolf...

Just ask out friends from behind our eastern border if they would like to have US bases in thei country -  and the threat of nuclear annihilation of Germany will be over. Poland would be very happy to have US bases redeployed to their country.

I never said I like US support for Islamists in Syria. I only said that in a complex world of geopolitics sometimes there is no choice. Americans and their allies fight Assad because he is not pro-American. They don't fight him because he's secular. If Assad was an Islamist, they would be supporting secularists against him. If Russia wanted to topple a pro-US secular dictator and the only way to do that would be by supporting Islamist rebels - it would do the same thing.

Imagine - you become one of the top policymakers in US government - US President . You inherit a geopolitical situation you had no influence on and you may like or not like the way it looks. And although you have limited power, you have to successfully manage alliances with several countries in a messed up, unstable region of the world. Then massive protests erupt in a country that is de facto an ally of your enemy. Your allies are pressuring your country to let them take over the entire mess and turn it into an organized, armed rebellion to eventually topple the dictator and install another dictator - how easy would it be for you to simply say "sorry guys,, we can't let you do that, it's immoral"? You must deal with the fact that your allies (some of whom have personal wealth higher than GDPs of some smaller countries) may start distrusting your country and turn against why it it.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Werewolf...

Just ask out friends from behind our eastern border if they would like to have US bases in thei country -  and the threat of nuclear annihilation of Germany will be over. Poland would be very happy to have US bases redeployed to their country.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
I never said I like US support for Islamists in Syria. I only said that in a complex world of geopolitics sometimes there is no choice. Americans and their allies fight Assad because he is not pro-American. They don't fight him because he's secular. If Assad was an Islamist, they would be supporting secularists against him. If Russia wanted to topple a pro-US secular dictator and the only way to do that would be by supporting Islamist rebels - it would do the same thing.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Imagine - you become one of the top policymakers in US government - US President . You inherit a geopolitical situation you had no influence on and you may like or not like the way it looks. And although you have limited power, you have to successfully manage alliances with several countries in a messed up, unstable region of the world. Then massive protests erupt in a country that is de facto an ally of your enemy. Your allies are pressuring your country to let them take over the entire mess and turn it into an organized, armed rebellion to eventually topple the dictator and install another dictator - how easy would it be for you to simply say "sorry guys,, we can't let you do that, it's immoral"? You must deal with the fact that your allies (some of whom have personal wealth higher than GDPs of some smaller countries) may start distrusting your country and turn against it.

max steel wrote:

BREAKING: Defense officials tell NBC News that US special ops. forces are on ground in Syria assisting Kurdish forces in fight against ISIS

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/644171963884261377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:This is what Russian embassy in UK said in their official Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy

"Moscow appreciates that US actions against IS are conducted in a way that doesn’t harm Syrian govt forces’ capability "

See, Werewolf? So after all, there is a US miliary action against ISIS  -and Moscow even appreciates it! This comes from an official Russian govt. source.

The whole Muslin invasion to Europe thing.. is an Anglozionist Neocon elite project . Is part of American Imperialism project.. and Israel greater middle east. IS about control.. they want to replicate the Saudi Arabia success into controlling its society ,through fear and through medieval punishment in society.. like public executions , beheading people , cut people hands to thieves.. and keep people busy working and praying and not interfering with the people in Power.  And this have everything to do with Russia = A Christian nation.  Because Christianity is seen by muslins radicals as the greatest danger to their religion.. this will be really ideal environment to turn All Europe ,into anti Russian Muslin continent. SO Europeans needs to be thankful to Americans Imperialism.. for this muslin invasion. They control your military ,with NATO, your economies with American/Jews Central banks and now the final one ,your religion too.
So as soon as 5 to 10 years , you should expect Europe turned into a war zone.. just like Syria. And American military bases in Europe will provide weapons to them.  The only way to avoid this violence is to become 100% loyal to US imperialism.. and fully surrender your nation indentity and power to them.  Americans also is helping through NGOS  to raise the Ultra Nationalism too in Europe.. So you have there 2 extremist sides , and ideal setup for endless Unrest.  Countries like Germany and France that are opposing US proxy war against Russia in Ukraine.. already are under attack by this unrest. All this soft speaking muslins in cameras.. will take a gun against your nation any time ,they given one to control your state by force
with Americans government support.. This is that country become rebelious to US imperialism.. ie.. seek to leave NATO and create alliance with Russia. So the investigator is right when he says Islam is a fascist ideology..  The way to fight this is for Europe retaking its Power Back from Americans.That is becoming Independent again.. leaving NATO ,and creating a major economic and military alliance with Russia to fight this muslins.. before is too late.  This is why all the Gay Rights crap.. so muslins can overtake Europeans and become majority more faster. and Femen Crap and Puzzy Riot crap.. All of them are financed by Jews..zionist  millionaire. The Anglozionist powers wants to Destroy the European Identity , destroy your traditional family values ,your religion ,to make it more easier to fully control Europe and that you become totally controlled society ,as muslins are in the middle east in muslins nations. Europeans are commiting a really bad mistake in allowing Americans to take control of their nation policies and to install military bases there.. those will be used to smuggle weapons to the muslins that Americans policy force Europeans through Belgium to take.. The third major world war will be muslins vs Christians.. history repeats again.. and Americans Elite will stay away of this conflict selling weapons to both sides. How easily can be to arm muslins in Europe.. many of them will be trained for combat. Americans can for example can stage another Mosul false flag..and allow muslin to overrun an American military base with tones of weapons. and they will say it was a "failure" in intelligence.. bla bla as they justified 9/11 in wtc. Islam is a "Religion of Peace" says Obama and Bush.. no is not a religion of peace..is pure Fascism..Islam totally control every little thing in people lives.. from food to what you eat.. how to use the toilet. how to pray..everything
and all of them see womens as inferior and its only role in society to be pregnant and please man .

Islam controls society through Fear and submission of society as is the case of so called moderates ones (chechenia ,Dagestan and IRAN) , or through terror as is the case of Saudi Arabia ,Qatar and ISIS) and they (US,UK-Israel) the anglozionist powers also help to spread this terrorism  muslin ideology through the entire world. first a more moderate secular islam and later a more extremist one..Because this can easily allow them to control whole armies of millions by simply controlling their religious corrupt leaders. . So this is alQ and IRAN and Sso a weapon not only against Christian nations but also against secular muslin nations .  Islamic extremism is a weapon that US - UK and israel helps to spread ,to control more easily entire nations. and if Europe do not wake up and break alliance with Americans and joins an alliance with Russia ,they will end fighting muslins in every street ,every city ,every park..and the muslins being armed by US. All this religions conflicts are very convenient blackmail tool of Americans to pressure nations to stay in their Imperialism policies.

mutantsushi wrote:Hi, can you keep on topic and not post "Islamization of Europe" screed in Syria Civil War thread?
Likewise for re-quoting your own old wall of text.  Thanks.

Werewolf wrote:So there is no choice in the world but the US must out of good deed and will spread terrorism, destroy nations, seize their resources, occupy their nations, enslave their governments as vassals. That is a must because otherwise this world would just implode if there is not someone struggling for unrivaled world domination right? An Unipolar world can not be according to you? Russia wouldn't do jackshit in that case, russia isn't some empire that needs resources from around the world, US does. Russia already has everything the world has in natural resources and the minor things it does not have it can easily trade without need to invade other countries to assure its domination over economy. Russia through entire history was never in any need of more soil or control over more resources. The US is based on only that, a colony of a small unimportant country that managed by barbarism to achieve an empire status, occupied and genocided an entire continent to assure its colonial assurance and control of resources and soil, this colony seperated than and has kept this exactly same mantra and barbarism. The US exists 239 years and it hasn't spend 9 years through tis entire existence without invading another country. Such a record of barbarism points only to one thing US is good for nothing but invasions, they will never learn untill they turn to ashes.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Foreign policy of every country is not (and should not be) assessed on the basis of what thugs and criminals it supported in other countries - but on the basis of how well it served the interests of it's own country - if German foreign policy resulted in death of hundreds of milions, then as long as Germany's vital interests are secured - it's good.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:IT's a rule in diplomacy to be kind towards your allies. But there's also a rule to be harsh towards your enemies. Assad bets the wrong horse. Had he become an ally of America and his country would be safe and peaceful now while Assad would still have power with the ability to rule it as he pleases.

Vann7 wrote:

mutantsushi wrote:Hi, can you keep on topic and not post "Islamization of Europe" screed in Syria Civil War thread?
Likewise for re-quoting your own old wall of text.  Thanks.

IF you read what i posted you will see this is connected with Syria..
thanks!  wake up, turn on your brains a little bit . this is NOT off topic.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:IT's a rule in diplomacy to be kind towards your allies. But there's also a rule to be harsh towards your enemies. Assad bets the wrong horse. Had he become an ally of America and his country would be safe and peaceful now while Assad would still have power with the ability to rule it as he pleases.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:So there is no choice in the world but the US must out of good deed and will spread terrorism, destroy nations, seize their resources, occupy their nations, enslave their governments as vassals. That is a must because otherwise this world would just implode if there is not someone struggling for unrivaled world domination right? An Unipolar world can not be according to you? Russia wouldn't do jackshit in that case, russia isn't some empire that needs resources from around the world, US does. Russia already has everything the world has in natural resources and the minor things it does not have it can easily trade without need to invade other countries to assure its domination over economy. Russia through entire history was never in any need of more soil or control over more resources. The US is based on only that, a colony of a small unimportant country that managed by barbarism to achieve an empire status, occupied and genocided an entire continent to assure its colonial assurance and control of resources and soil, this colony seperated than and has kept this exactly same mantra and barbarism. The US exists 239 years and it hasn't spend 9 years through tis entire existence without invading another country. Such a record of barbarism points only to one thing US is good for nothing but invasions, they will never learn untill they turn to ashes.

Foreign policy of every country is not (and should not be) assessed on the basis of what thugs and criminals it supported in other countries - but on the basis of how well it served the interests of it's own country - if German foreign policy resulted in death of hundreds of milions, then as long as Germany's vital interests are secured - it's good.

flamming_python wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:IT's a rule in diplomacy to be kind towards your allies. But there's also a rule to be harsh towards your enemies. Assad bets the wrong horse. Had he become an ally of America and his country would be safe and peaceful now while Assad would still have power with the ability to rule it as he pleases.

Listen to the Vietnamese dude.

And really Vietnam is a good example - it didn't take shit from anyone, US included, and these days its being courted by them and treated with respect.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

Werewolf wrote:So there is no choice in the world but the US must out of good deed and will spread terrorism, destroy nations, seize their resources, occupy their nations, enslave their governments as vassals. That is a must because otherwise this world would just implode if there is not someone struggling for unrivaled world domination right? An Unipolar world can not be according to you? Russia wouldn't do jackshit in that case, russia isn't some empire that needs resources from around the world, US does. Russia already has everything the world has in natural resources and the minor things it does not have it can easily trade without need to invade other countries to assure its domination over economy. Russia through entire history was never in any need of more soil or control over more resources. The US is based on only that, a colony of a small unimportant country that managed by barbarism to achieve an empire status, occupied and genocided an entire continent to assure its colonial assurance and control of resources and soil, this colony seperated than and has kept this exactly same mantra and barbarism. The US exists 239 years and it hasn't spend 9 years through tis entire existence without invading another country. Such a record of barbarism points only to one thing US is good for nothing but invasions, they will never learn untill they turn to ashes.

Foreign policy of every country is not (and should not be) assessed on the basis of what thugs and criminals it supported in other countries - but on the basis of how well it served the interests of it's own country - if German foreign policy resulted in death of hundreds of milions, then as long as Germany's vital interests are secured - it's good.

Germany's vital interests cannot be secured if it's foreign policy leads to humanitarian catastrophies everywhere that result in even a tiny fraction of the figures you're talking about.
It will all rebound onto Germany itself through a variety of direct and indirect means, some sooner, some later.

And that's really the story with America too. It's not so much that they're ruled by evil-doers, as much as they're ruled by idiots who can't help but turn everything to shit in each country they touch. In some ways that's actually more dangerous.

Of course this is all leading to a quiet but very much noticeable erosion of American power, credibility and influence.