Thoughts?
(No, Flagship not you and no Haushofer please )
If the NAF has not learned this by now then there is not much anyone can do.Flagship Victory wrote:
The ball is in Maidan's court. But seeing how Maidan is fascist like Nazis, no way would Maidan withdraw troops from Shirokino. Lesson to be learned by NAF, you cannot fight fascists with good will.
Karl Haushofer wrote:If the NAF has not learned this by now then there is not much anyone can do.Flagship Victory wrote:
The ball is in Maidan's court. But seeing how Maidan is fascist like Nazis, no way would Maidan withdraw troops from Shirokino. Lesson to be learned by NAF, you cannot fight fascists with good will.
Neutrality wrote:Is there anyone with the same suspicion that Putin gave Tsipras the idea to hold a referendum if the creditors wouldn't bend? It must have been a wild bet back then but now that the Greeks overwhelmingly voted "NO", Germany and France are forced to literally save the future of the Euro. Putin and Tsipras held talks behind closed doors after all and telephone conversations happened between Athens and Moscow. Sure, the gas deal was part of it but it couldn't have been JUST that. If you think about how it could benefit Moscow then 1 thing is for sure: it buys them more time. Then there's "using" the Greek situation as a quid pro quo. Putin could be telling Merkel something along the lines of "if you give me what I need, I promise I won't influence the Greeks against you". This part is difficult to imagine though. It would mean Tsipras allows Putin to use the Greek crisis as a carrot unless it equally benefits Tsipras too.
Thoughts?
Neutrality wrote:Is there anyone with the same suspicion that Putin gave Tsipras the idea to hold a referendum if the creditors wouldn't bend? It must have been a wild bet back then but now that the Greeks overwhelmingly voted "NO", Germany and France are forced to literally save the future of the Euro. Putin and Tsipras held talks behind closed doors after all and telephone conversations happened between Athens and Moscow. Sure, the gas deal was part of it but it couldn't have been JUST that. If you think about how it could benefit Moscow then 1 thing is for sure: it buys them more time. Then there's "using" the Greek situation as a quid pro quo. Putin could be telling Merkel something along the lines of "if you give me what I need, I promise I won't influence the Greeks against you". This part is difficult to imagine though. It would mean Tsipras allows Putin to use the Greek crisis as a carrot unless it equally benefits Tsipras too.
Thoughts?
(No, Flagship not you and no Haushofer please )
JohninMK wrote:Ukraine has just fallen off the EU's 'to-do' list.
BERLIN, July 5. /TASS/. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande called for an emergency summit of the leaders of Euro zone states on July 7, a spokesman for the German government said late on Sunday after telephone contacts between the two leaders prompted by the results of the Greek referendum. The two leaders agreed that the referendum results must be respected.
Karl Haushofer wrote:If the NAF has not learned this by now then there is not much anyone can do.Flagship Victory wrote:
The ball is in Maidan's court. But seeing how Maidan is fascist like Nazis, no way would Maidan withdraw troops from Shirokino. Lesson to be learned by NAF, you cannot fight fascists with good will.
Flagship Victory wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:If the NAF has not learned this by now then there is not much anyone can do.Flagship Victory wrote:
The ball is in Maidan's court. But seeing how Maidan is fascist like Nazis, no way would Maidan withdraw troops from Shirokino. Lesson to be learned by NAF, you cannot fight fascists with good will.
Yup. Imagine teaching the worst student ever. Yes that includes not giving Iskander missiles to Saudi Arabia which funds terrorism in Chechnya.
Neutrality wrote:Is there anyone with the same suspicion that Putin gave Tsipras the idea to hold a referendum if the creditors wouldn't bend? It must have been a wild bet back then but now that the Greeks overwhelmingly voted "NO", Germany and France are forced to literally save the future of the Euro. Putin and Tsipras held talks behind closed doors after all and telephone conversations happened between Athens and Moscow. Sure, the gas deal was part of it but it couldn't have been JUST that. If you think about how it could benefit Moscow then 1 thing is for sure: it buys them more time. Then there's "using" the Greek situation as a quid pro quo. Putin could be telling Merkel something along the lines of "if you give me what I need, I promise I won't influence the Greeks against you". This part is difficult to imagine though. It would mean Tsipras allows Putin to use the Greek crisis as a carrot unless it equally benefits Tsipras too.
Thoughts?
(No, Flagship not you and no Haushofer please )
2SPOOKY4U wrote:Flagship Victory wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:If the NAF has not learned this by now then there is not much anyone can do.Flagship Victory wrote:
The ball is in Maidan's court. But seeing how Maidan is fascist like Nazis, no way would Maidan withdraw troops from Shirokino. Lesson to be learned by NAF, you cannot fight fascists with good will.
Yup. Imagine teaching the worst student ever. Yes that includes not giving Iskander missiles to Saudi Arabia which funds terrorism in Chechnya.
PapaDragon wrote:
Identical article but title of Business Insider version is even sweeter
It's beginning to look like we'll let Ukraine fall apart
http://www.businessinsider.com/its-beginning-to-look-like-well-let-ukraine-fall-apart-2015-7
Neutrality wrote:There we have it again. Bloomberg and Reuters report that Tsipras either already phoned Putin after the referendum or is going to do so later today. My suspicions about Putin being connected to Tsipras' move to hold a referendum are stronger now. I remember Tsipras excluded the possibility of ever holding a referendum just a few months back and then the sudden 180 after meeting Putin. These gentlemen are brewing something that will benefit them both because Merkel, Hollande, Dijselbloem and other people of the EU and the IMF are very pissed off with this move.
Followed bysepheronx wrote:Rally in Odessa demands resignation of Saakashvili
Erk wrote:Who cares, it's got nothing to do with Ukraine, start a Putin/Tsiparas conspiracy thread if you like, but spare us the derailing of this thread.
JohninMK wrote:Followed bysepheronx wrote:Rally in Odessa demands resignation of Saakashvili
KIEV, July 6. /TASS/. The US will provide pay to the governor’s team in the Odessa region. Governor Mikhail Saakashvili said on Monday. "Given the anti-corruption pressure in Odessa, the US government has agreed to provide pay to Saakashvili’s new team," he wrote on his Facebook page after a meeting with US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. Saakashvili also noted that "US police officers from California will train the new police in Odessa".
No, but I understand (no photos yet) that the Harley Davidsons and Ray-Bans are in a container at the docks.PapaDragon wrote:JohninMK wrote:Followed bysepheronx wrote:Rally in Odessa demands resignation of Saakashvili
KIEV, July 6. /TASS/. The US will provide pay to the governor’s team in the Odessa region. Governor Mikhail Saakashvili said on Monday. "Given the anti-corruption pressure in Odessa, the US government has agreed to provide pay to Saakashvili’s new team," he wrote on his Facebook page after a meeting with US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. Saakashvili also noted that "US police officers from California will train the new police in Odessa".
California cops? So can we expect Odessans to start yelling ''Rodney King!!!" in the near future?
http://nahnews.org/272809-girkin-strelkov-obvinil-zaxarchenko-i-plotnickogo-v-slive-dnr-i-lnr/ wrote:Moscow, July 5.
Former Defense Minister Igor DNI Girkin criticized the action of the current head of DNR and LC. According to him, Alexander and Igor Zakharchenko Carpenter engaged in "draining" of their republics, and in general of New Russia . Girkin also said that Zakharchenko and carpentry became leaders of the young republics as a result of Moscow's policy, and accused the head of the DNI in the delivery of their republic.
"I understand that it is not easy, but he has to understand what it is the republic. He leads her to surrender! For him, the people voted in as head of the DNI, and it has already become a head of the Donetsk region. He legitimize itself! I was silent for a long time and did not criticize it as and carpenter, "- said Girkin.
It is worth noting that Strelkov-Girkin not forget to comment on the murder of the battalion "Ghost" Alexei Mozgovoy, who was one of the most prominent leaders of the revolution in LC, but could not find a common language with Valery Bolotov, the former head of the republic.
"The version that acted Ukrainian DRGs I do not believe even once. This is the version for the press to reassure the public. I have for this reason. I talked with people who were present at the scene. None of them did not even hinted about the Ukrainian DRG ", - said Girkin.
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