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    2S19 MSTA-S 152mm

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:30 am

    Suppress artillery and mortar fire, tanks and anti tank fire (ATGM), electronics (drones? and comms nodes), etc etc... sounds like they are optimising them for conflicts like Syria to take on a wider range of targets as a lower cost alternative to air strikes...
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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:15 pm

    Latest Msta-S artillery systems arrive for troops in Russia’s south

    The upgraded howitzers feature a new automated fire control system, a higher rate of fire and the possibility to use digital electronic maps to accelerate finding positions on the terrain, according to official data

    MOSCOW, March 16. /TASS/. The latest artillery systems arrived for the Southern Military District’s 49th all-arms army, the District’s press office reported on Monday.
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    "Two artillery batteries have been reamed with the improved 152mm 2S19M2 Msta-S self-propelled artillery guns capable of firing Krasnopol precision guided munitions," the press office said in a statement.

    "The Msta-S artillery system has considerable design differences from the previous modification," the press office stressed.

    Specifically, the upgraded howitzers feature a new automated fire control system, a higher rate of fire and the possibility to use digital electronic maps to accelerate finding positions on the terrain.

    Msta-S self-propelled artillery guns can also "fire high-explosive fragmentation and rocket-assisted projectiles — jammers," the press office said.

    https://tass.com/defense/1130667
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:17 pm

    A question:  do naval guns have the same range and rate of fire of their land equivalent?
    I mean comparing as an example a 130mm naval gun with a 130 mm artillery gun?

    It is because I read about a 30 km range for the 152mm gun 2S19 MSTA, and longer ranges for smaller naval guns (also because there are currently no naval guns in service bigger than 130mm).
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:23 am

    Tthe main problem is the different calibres used and the different guns for each calibre.

    The 152mm calibre has been used by the Soviet Army since before WWII, but different 152mm guns can use different types of ammo... a bit like 7.62mm rifle calibre ammo effectively the 7.62x25mm (Tokarev) pistol and SMG ammo from WWII is the same calibre as the 7.62 x 39mm rifle, assault rifle and LMG calibre (SKS, AK, RPK respectively), and the 7.62 x 54mm R rifle and LMG and MMG calibre also uses the same diameter bullets but the shell case contains different amounts of propellent leading to very different performance... and it is the same with 152mm artillery ammo in Russia.

    Also important is that some guns are howitzers and some are guns, and different weapons have different barrel lengths which also effects performance like range.

    The Soviet Navy during WWII had a wide range of gun calibres that are too numerous to list, but after WWII they settled down on fewer and fewer types... 30mm gatlings largely replaced the various 37mm and 45mm anti aircraft guns, while in larger calibres they had 57mm and 76.2mm and 100mm as well as 130mm guns and the occasional 152mm gun... but the current generation they have 100mm guns the size and weight of the old 76.2mm guns, 130mm guns the size and weight of the old 100mm guns and the 152mm guns are no longer used.

    The Soviet Army no longer uses the smaller calibres for artillery and largely settled on 122mm and 152mm guns as normal standard, while 125mm high velocity guns are used as tank guns and they have a 152mm replacement that is developed but not deployed and they are gradually withdrawing the 122mm guns in favour of 120mm gun/mortars.

    Generally naval guns can be bigger calibre and longer ranged because weight is not important and recoil is very efficiently absorbed by water.

    The naval version of Coalition might be a twin gun arrangement simply because there is plenty of space and capacity for an enormous amount of ammo... turret rings on ships can be as big as you want to there is plenty of potential to absorb recoil and fit all sorts of auto loading mechanisms.

    Right now the Russian Army has the range advantage because they still retain 203mm guns with roughly 50km ranges, and of course the Coalition 152mm guns with 70km range and soon mini shells with 180km range are possible too, but while 203mm land guns are a niche weapon that might only be used when its specific capacity is needed, a naval model might be useful for a landing ship or helicopter carrier for example... a 100km range with a large projectile would be useful all weather day night fire power.

    The Soviet fleet reactivated the Sverdlov class to use their 152mm guns for fire support for landing operations, but they never really had ocean going landing ships able to make proper landings away from the reach of Russian land based air power, so with these new helicopter carriers they are building they might start improving their gun artillery capacity to support landing operations cheaply and simply.

    The new Russian ships have corvettes with 100mm guns where previously they had 57mm or 76.2mm guns, while their frigates have 130mm guns where previously frigates had 76.2mm or 100mm guns, so for their destroyers the question is will they use the 152mm guns developed together with the Russian Army? I would expect so, but do they use those same 152mm guns for Cruisers as well or go for an upgraded 203mm gun for cruisers?

    The point is that any money spent developing 203mm guns and new long range and accurate ammo types can be used with army equivalents so costs can be shared and certainly for the Navy a good 203mm gun would have serious benefits without many of the problems much bigger guns can introduce... 203mm is still reasonably manageable and in terms of performance a 110-130kg shell is rather more effective against bunkers and strong points than any number of 50kg 152mm shells...

    New ammo for Coalition (which also has a longer gun barrel and more propellent options) has been tested to 70km and what I presume to be a reduced payload round has been suggested with a range of 170-180km... for light targets. Such rounds should be compatible with a naval gun mount in 152mm calibre too of course...
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:33 pm

    Msta-S self-propelled guns hit targets at distance of 15 km during Kavkaz exercise

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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:32 pm

    The Ministry of Defense has received another batch of Msta-S self-propelled artillery mounts

    https://en.topwar.ru/183592-minoborony-poluchilo-ocherednuju-partiju-samohodnyh-artillerijskij-ustanovok-msta-s.html

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    Post  franco Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:16 pm

    Artillery of the future: modernization of the ACS 2S19 "Msta-S" and its prospects

    The Russian ground forces are armed with several types of self-propelled artillery units with different characteristics and capabilities. To date, the most widespread vehicles of this class are ACS 2S19 "Msta-S" of a number of modifications. They will have to continue serving for a long time, and for this a deep modernization program has been launched and is being successfully implemented.

    Modernization processes


    "Msta-S" entered service in the late eighties. However, the production of such equipment in small batches has been carried out since the first half of the decade. Later, a full-fledged series was mastered, intended for the rearmament of the Soviet army. After the collapse of the USSR, the existing equipment was divided between the new states, and Russia continued production. According to known data, at least 1100 self-propelled guns of several modifications have been built to date.

    The development processes of the basic self-propelled guns started immediately after being put into service. During the nineties, the 2S19M project (aka 2S33) was developed, which provided for the introduction of a number of new devices. Its updated version, 2S19M1 in the second half of the two thousandth, reached the point of adoption. Self-propelled guns of the "M1" version were rebuilt from the existing machines in the order of repair and modernization.

    Upgraded self-propelled gun 2S19M1

    Then work began on a new modification - 2S19M2 "Msta-SM". Various updates were proposed again, affecting controls, weapons, etc. In 2012, the modernized ACS passed state tests and was recommended for adoption. The following year, the industry began to supply equipment of this model. Msta-SM can be built from scratch or rebuilt from the equipment of previous modifications.

    According to The Military Balance 2021, the Russian army currently operates 820 Msta-S self-propelled guns of all major modifications. The authors of this publication counted 500 combat vehicles of old modifications 2S19 and 2S19M1, as well as 320 modern 2S19M2. In addition, 150 self-propelled guns were put into reserve. Thus, in terms of their number, the 2S19 family machines have by now bypassed the older 2S3 "Akatsia" self-propelled guns with a gun of the same caliber. The active fleet of such equipment includes 800 units, although there is a reserve of 1000 units.

    Production rates

    The release of the updated ACS 2S19M2 was mastered by the Uraltransmash enterprise with the participation of a number of other organizations supplying new components and assemblies. Thus, the production of a modernized 152-mm howitzer is carried out by the Barricades plant. The production line was prepared in 2012, at the same time as passing government tests.

    Modern self-propelled guns 2S19M2 "Msta-SM"

    As reported by the Ministry of Defense, the first batch of modernized self-propelled guns entered the troops in June 2013, 35 units. such equipment was transferred to one of the artillery units of the Southern Military District. Soon there were reports of the use of updated machines during the exercise.

    In the future, production maintained the required pace and ensured regular deliveries of new and modernized equipment to the troops. For example, plans for the past year provided for the delivery of more than 35 self-propelled guns "Msta-SM". As far as we know, they were successfully carried out and ensured the rearmament of one of the units.

    On May 31, the state corporation "Rostec" announced the completion of construction and the shipment of the next batch of self-propelled guns 2S19M2. This equipment was manufactured as part of the state defense order for 2019-21. and was built on time. The number of armored vehicles built, as well as the place of their future service, is not specified.

    Most likely, the process of production and modernization of equipment will continue in the future. Thanks to such processes, modern ACS "Msta-SM" over the next few years in their number will be able to catch up with the equipment of previous modifications, and then bypass them. Even with the protection of the total number of self-propelled guns at the same level, this will significantly increase the potential of artillery as a whole.

    Technical Issues

    The 2S19M2 project provides for a comprehensive modernization of the basic armored vehicle with the replacement of some of the components, due to which an increase in all main characteristics and a number of new opportunities are provided. New systems and units were introduced without changing the architecture of the machine, as well as with minimal impact on its exterior.

    The chassis of the ACS remains the same and retains the original set of nodes and the same characteristics. At the same time, a new diagnostic system has been introduced, which provides the driver with up-to-date data on the condition of the car. This to a certain extent simplifies the operation and maintenance of self-propelled guns.

    At the same time, the main modifications of the Msta-SM project affect the equipment of the fighting compartment. The self-propelled gun receives an improved 152-mm 2A64M2 rifled howitzer. Due to a number of innovations, the rate of fire has been increased to 10 rds / min. and improved other parameters.

    Modern equipment with a high degree of automation is used. ACS received navigation devices with the ability to use digital maps and receive satellite signals. In the fire control system, some devices have been replaced, and weather sensors and other devices have been introduced. After such an upgrade, the self-propelled gun shows increased accuracy and firing efficiency. Also, there was a "squall of fire" mode, obtained due to the modern MSA and high rate of fire. If necessary, fire control can be carried out remotely from a battery command post.

    There are certain ways for the further development of self-propelled guns that can provide a new increase in performance. In the recent past, the management of Uraltransmash talked about the possibility of creating a new generation of ammunition. At the same time, plans were announced for a new improvement in operational characteristics.

    Artillery of the near future

    ACS 2S19 of all modifications are qualitatively superior to the older "Acacia". By now, a quantitative superiority over all other 152-mm self-propelled systems has also been ensured. At the same time, the production of new equipment and the modernization of existing machines continues, which has obvious positive consequences.

    A completely new self-propelled gun 2S35 "Coalition-SV" has already been developed and is being prepared for a full-scale series. However, the production of a large amount of such equipment will take a lot of time, and therefore the Msta-S of various modifications will still retain its place in the army. Over the next few years, it will remain the most massive and effective self-propelled gun of the Russian army. It can be expected that during this period, at least most of the available equipment will be upgraded to Msty-SM.

    In the future, after receiving a sufficient number of new "Coalition-SV", the army is unlikely to quickly abandon the older 2S19M1 / 2, although other types of equipment should be expected to be removed from service. The mixed composition of self-propelled artillery will again allow obtaining the maximum possible characteristics and capabilities, as well as providing high flexibility of use for solving a variety of fire missions.

    Thus, the processes observed now are of particular importance for the near and distant future of army artillery. The gradual replacement of older 2S19s with modern 2S19M2s does not just ensure the preservation of equipment in service and increase its characteristics. Due to these processes, a large reserve is also created, which will determine the appearance and capabilities of artillery units in the near and distant future.

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