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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:46 am

    Viktor wrote:Taaaa Naaaa !!! Its here - long range missile of S-400 system. Initial bach of the 40N6 is in the making. 

    "Almaz-Antey" completes the creation of long-range missiles for the S-400

    still no pic of the missile dunno 

    Hmm though i expect it won't be very different in appearance and size to 48N6 family.
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    Post  Rpg type 7v on Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:15 pm

    there will be some videos of testing soon enough ,so we will see it...
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    Post  calripson on Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:26 am

    A regiment contain 9 launchers, am I correct ? I also read that they plan to deploy the two regiments this year around Moscow. Moscow already has 4 regiments protecting it. Wouldn't it make sense to deploy these two regiments around Saint Petersburg ?
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:26 pm

    calripson wrote:A regiment contain 9 launchers, am I correct ? I also read that they plan to deploy the two regiments this year around Moscow. Moscow already has 4 regiments protecting it. Wouldn't it make sense to deploy these two regiments around Saint Petersburg ?
    1. Regiment can contain somewhere from 8 to 72 launchers

    2. Russians plan to have 56 batteries of S-400 from 2020 and much more latter so Im sure they will cover all angles
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    Post  Arrow on Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:40 pm

    One batteries of S-400 has only 6-8 launcher.
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:00 pm

    Arrow wrote:One batteries of S-400 has only 6-8 launcher.
    One battery can have from 4 to 12 launchers. At the moment Russian S-400 battery has 8 launchers.
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    Post  calripson on Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:11 am

    So the two regiments consist of at least two batteries each ? Meaning 32 launch vehicles delivered this year ? I recall that regiments normally composed 3 batteries but the deployment to date around Moscow had regiments with only 2 batteries being deployed.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:00 am

    calripson wrote:So the two regiments consist of at least two batteries each ? Meaning 32 launch vehicles delivered this year ? I recall that regiments normally composed 3 batteries but the deployment to date around Moscow had regiments with only 2 batteries being deployed.
    1. One regiment consists of at least two batteries each.
    2. Yes 32 TEL with all the radar systems will be delivered this year
    3. You must be thinking about S-300V system which normally consist of 3 batteries (4 at max) and one brigade has up to 4 regiments.
    4. S-300P/400 regiment consist of up to 6 batteries per regiment and one brigade has 2 regiments.
    5. Yes, Russians at the moment have greater need for modern radar and command units than TELs which can always be added to the team.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:38 pm

    5 sets of S-500 to be delivered to Russian Aerospace forces by 2020 (who knows what sets means ?? Very Happy )

    1. First S-500 to go to troops in few years
    2. Testing on examples begun 
    3. Everything else in known to us (7000m/sec max target (hypersonic, ballistic, cruise) speed, 800-900km detection range, unification with A-135)

    Russian arm with five S-500 2020

    but what is important at this point of time is that first examples already exist and are proceded for testing (so S-500 is not on the paper anymore)

    Test items newest C-500 air defense system began in Russia

    C-500 is a new generation of anti-aircraft missile systems "land-to-air." It is a universal set of long-range and high-altitude interception with increased potential missile defense and is able to intercept ballistic missiles.



    The system is capable of hitting not only ballistic missiles, but also aerodynamic targets (aircraft, helicopters, and other aerial targets), as well as cruise missiles.

    and also interesting thing:

    "Until the end of 2013 the troops go regimental EKR set of S-400, which will be deployed in the Moscow region. And also in the air defense brigades of troops ASD go about 18 combat vehicles ZRPK "Armour-S" radar complexes "Sky-M" radar "approaching", "Sopka" - said Golovko.
    As the representative of the Ministry of Defense to the troops EKR Colonel Dmitry Zenin November 27, six combat vehicles "Armour-S" (out of 18) have already entered service and fulfilled the task of initial firings at the site "Ashuluk" in Astrakhan region.
    Now the battle of the troops are EKR antiaircraft missile system of medium-range S-300PM, advanced anti-aircraft missile systems, large and medium-range S-400 "Triumph", ZRPK "Armour-S" radar "Gamma", "sky-SVU" complexes of automation "foundation."


    so this means:

    1. During 2013 Russian ASD troops will receive 18 Pancir-S1 (12 delivered if I counted correctly and 6 jet to be delivered)
    2. New regimental S-400 set (we know from previous articles that 2 regimental S-400 sets will be delivered)
    3. New deliveries of NEBO-M radar sets that each of them go with each of regimental S-400 set
    4. New regimental sets with S-400 system is comprised of:

      - S-400 (regiment)
      - S-300 Favorit (modernized PM to Favorit standard and most likely regimental set also) with 96L6 radar per battery
      - Pancir-S1 
      - NEBO-SVU/GAMMA-S1/ attached radar units
      - Fundament - radar automation system

    Than we have many more interesting news:

    -> And again before the end of 2013, 5 more sets of (unsepcified) all altitude radar detection systems will be delivered to radar troops

    Five new radar systems will go on until the end of the year EKR


    -> 86 exercises of ASD troops planed for 2014

    EKR troops in 2014 will spend more than 80 exercises


    -> One more faculty for training of Air Defense troops planed in Russia by 2015

    Training centers that train officers EKR, 2015 there will be more


    -> Work on new EW radar facilities in Altai and Krasnoyarsk region to finish by 2017

    Radar in the Altai and Krasnoyarsk Krai will complete in 2017


    and full interview with army commander VKO Maj. Gen. Alexander Golovko

    Force Commander EKR: special hopes on the S-500 system
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:33 pm

    And one more interesting thing .... 

    So one more interesting thing:

    2013: 2 x regimental S-400
    2014: 3 x regimental S-300
    2015: 3 new factories (plus many other factories will be retooled) are over and even much greater production can kick in 

    Putin: three sets of S-400 put into service in 2014


    "The process of systematically re-air missile units and formations to modern S-400 system. This year two regimental set the system transferred to the troops. Three shall be submitted to the troops in 2014," - said Putin.
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    Post  medo on Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:42 pm

    Excellent news, air defense is reequipping quite fast now. If I count correctly, to the end of this year Russian military will have 40 Pantsirs. Any info if Tor-M2KM will also go in VKO units?
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:32 pm

    medo wrote:Excellent news, air defense is reequipping quite fast now. If I count correctly, to the end of this year Russian military will have 40 Pantsirs. Any info if Tor-M2KM will also go in VKO units?
    1. I dont know about Tor-M2 and most probably few people does at this moment. If I where to be asked about it, I would form a mixed party of Tor and Pancir units to exploit their advantages and nullify their disadvantages. Together they would form an impregnable wall for any PGM and other targets. 
    2. I think by the end of 2013 we will see 34 Pancir-S1 units in Russian army.
    3. Situation is now stabilized concerning deliveries of PVO equipment (and will greatly increase) but that happend only once Russian Defense Ministry signed long term contract with Almaz Antej in 2011 I think. 
    4. Still I would like to know, up to what point S-300V4 contract come. There seems to be very little information about it and jet its a big contract with very powerful system in question. 

    Obviously there was some high level meatings about PVO so today we have ton of information about it.

    Test C-500 is scheduled for 2014-2015

    1. 2014 and 2015 testing of full assembled S-500
    2. 2014 testing of S-350 Vityaz 
    3. From 2016 all (new, modernized and old) production facilities and production capacity will be 100% busy
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    Post  Austin on Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:48 am

    Stars on the "armor"
    http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/2011-07-25-15-55-32/item/13007-zvjozdy-na-pantsire

    Wait for it, apparently, is long.

    "As far as promising developments for which troops ASD special hope, in the first place is important to us timely creation and staging adopted the S-500 and" Hero ". C-500 is a new generation of anti-aircraft missile systems and is a universal set of long-range and high-altitude interception with increased potential missile defenses capable of intercepting ballistic missile warheads, flying at a speed of 7 km / s. Prospective AAMS will be able to amaze not only ballistic, but hypersonic and aerodynamic targets (aircraft, helicopters, other aircraft objects). Medium-range air defense missile systems "Vityaz" is to replace the legendary "trehsotki." With new construction principles AAMS significantly increased its combat potential in both spatial capabilities and performance goals and Physical destroyed. Starting serial deliveries of the system is expected in the near future "- said the former" Red Star "Deputy Commander of the Aerospace Defence Air Defence Major General Kirill Makarov.

    More details about the upcoming deliveries of the new system and tells the CEO of JSC "Concern PVO" Almaz-Antey "Vladislav Menshikov:" Development of the newest anti-aircraft missile system S-500 is in accordance with the schedule. According to the plans, according to the contracts, which is, in 2015 we intend to complete the development of the C-500 and in 2017 to begin serial production to delivery to the troops, "- said the CEO.

    - By car, the C-300 PM-2 this year, a complex improvements that carried "head center service and repair Concern PVO" Almaz - Antey "" Granite ", - said the acting deputy regiment commander for armaments Colonel Igor Pitskhelauri. - After upgrading the system S-300PM to the level of S-300PM-2 opportunity to hit ballistic targets more likely. In particular, the reflection of the combined impacts of aerodynamic efficiency and ballistic targets S-300PM-2 by an average of 15-20 per cent higher than that of C-300PM. Revised concerned and new types of missiles that are installed on this machine. Under them were finalized launchers and software. Improved part specifications: increased detection range, resolution. According to results of the training system in 2013 S-300 PM-2 I was pleased.

    Today, anti-aircraft missile and gun complexes "Armour-S" is the flagship national air defense system near the action. They are designed to protect civilian and military installations, anti-aircraft missile systems cover a large range of the C-300 and C-400. Implemented in these complex missile and gun armament allows the firing of air targets throughout the depth of the affected area, starting with the long high-altitude targets and ending suddenly appearing small objects flying at extremely low altitudes. The new complex is capable of detecting up to 10 simultaneous goals. Armed with ZRPK "Armour-S" are 30-millimeter cannon and rocket launchers caliber 76 mm and 90 mm. ZRPK enough ammunition to 1.4 thousand cannon shots and 12 missiles. This complex is no country in the world.

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:25 am

    Viktor wrote:5 sets of S-500 to be delivered to Russian Aerospace forces by 2020 (who knows what sets means ?? Very Happy )

    Russian arm with five S-500 2020

    and full interview with army commander VKO Maj. Gen. Alexander Golovko

    Force Commander EKR: special hopes on the S-500 system
    Yesterday army commander VKO Maj.Gen. Alexander Golovko said that Russian PVO troops will recieve 5 sets of S-500 by 2020.

    Today VKO Maj.Gen Kirill Makarov (after consultations with Putin) corrected that phase with the number what it used to be = 10 Very Happy 

    Up to ten C-500 entered service in Russia up to 2020

    Putin also corrected Almaz-Antej reprezentative who said few months ago that during 2014, Russian ASD troops will receive 2 or 3 S-400 systems 

    The Russian army c 2014 will arm shelves 2-3 C-400 a year

    and here is what Putin stated yesterday 

    Russia to Deploy 3 New S-400 Air Defense Regiments in 2014 Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy 

    Got to love him !!!


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    Post  SOC on Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:59 am

    GarryB wrote:The S-500 will be a strategic SAM used to defend major structures like capitals and major cities and major ports and also main airfields from ballistic missile attack. It might be able to hit anything above the ground but an An-124 could also carry a 1 ton payload... you just wouldn't use it that way unless you absolutely had to.
    The S-500 will be able to eat everything from ground level to LEO, but is likely not going to care much at all about anything air-breating. The S-400 is more than enough for air-breathers, leaving the S-500s to exist as ABM/ASAT complexes.
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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:02 am

    Viktor , I give up cant keep arguing for the sake of it and just to prove ones point


    SOC wrote:The S-500 will be able to eat everything from ground level to LEO, but is likely not going to care much at all about anything air-breating.  The S-400 is more than enough for air-breathers, leaving the S-500s to exist as ABM/ASAT complexes.
    What is more interesting is for every new generation of triple digit SAM , they have build up from ground multiple SAM system to deal with different types of target and have not focused on specific targets like for eg US THAAD is primarily focussed on BMD while 40N6 is far more versatile.

    Perhaps the difference in dealing with Hypersonic Targets for S-400 48N6E3 and 40N6 will be difference for target speed while 48N6E3 is advertised for a 4.8 km/sec target kill corresponding to ~ 3000 range BM or any target at that speed while 40N6 is capable of dealing with target speed of 5.1 km/sec probably at longer ranges and higher altitude.

    With S-500 they would stretch that to 7 km/sec .... they might need series of missile to do that task because an interception in Space is easier compared to an atmospheric ones
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:41 am

    The S-500 will be able to eat everything from ground level to LEO, but is likely not going to care much at all about anything air-breating. The S-400 is more than enough for air-breathers, leaving the S-500s to exist as ABM/ASAT complexes.
    I totally agree... if you could just have one system then you would have S-500, but just like if you could only have one transport aircraft that you only had the AN-124 then it could do all the jobs but for some jobs it would be terribly inefficient.

    The solution is S-500 for top tier defence of hypersonic and ICBM/SLBM threats, with S-400 as main long range area SAM, with Vityaz as a cheaper numbers SAM that can engage a wide variety of targets including less expensive ones that still need to be taken care of.

    At sea it will be the same with the Vityaz being the most numerous medium to long range missile carried simply because it offers numbers and sufficient range.

    BTW I would suspect the new high technology the Vityaz is being developed and made with applies to all the new model Russian SAMs too.

    because an interception in Space is easier compared to an atmospheric ones
    What makes you say that?

    Control surfaces allow manouver capability in the atmosphere... for space interception you need lots of side thruster rockets and potentially lots of fuel... more importantly no matter what your fuel state you need your side thrusters to be at exactly the payloads centre of mass otherwise instead of shifting the trajectory of the payload it will just make the payload spin... uselessly.
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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:56 am

    The problem in atmospheric interception is materials and the ability to withstand high G without crumbling ofcourse the energy needs to accomplish is far higher due to atmospheric resistance and G load.

    All things being equal its far easier to intercept in space then in the atmosphere
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:11 am

    After annunciation of the new PVO academy, new PVO training ground right next to Ashuluk (Astrakhan region) and based on its concept (but bigger)

    Ministry of Defence signed a contract for construction of a landfill near Astrakhan
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:47 am

    Holy hell, the influx of retards on mp.net regarding the S-400's around moscow was outstanding.

    That being said, glad to hear the long range missiles are complete and being accepted. As well, S-500 is currently undergoing tests.

    Any other words on S-300V4?
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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:50 am

    S-300V4 will come along on 2015 and so will BUK-M3 , i posted the interview here some time back.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:53 am

    Austin wrote:S-300V4 will come along on 2015 and so will BUK-M3 , i posted the interview here some time back.
    Glad to hear. The ability of intercepting BM's is getting better, and with S-500 around the corner, things look brighter.
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    Post  Rpg type 7v on Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:27 pm

    Viktor wrote:After annunciation of the new PVO academy, new PVO training ground right next to Ashuluk (Astrakhan region) and based on its concept (but bigger)

    Ministry of Defence signed a contract for construction of a landfill near Astrakhan
    not only 1 but according to the article ,they plan on 4 test polygons in each military sector.
    very good. new weapons will need some training.
    why arent kazahstans used anymore, if they are in csto?
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    Post  medo on Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:42 pm

    You don't need to pay a rent if it is in your own territory.
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:49 pm

    SOC wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The S-500 will be a strategic SAM used to defend major structures like capitals and major cities and major ports and also main airfields from ballistic missile attack. It might be able to hit anything above the ground but an An-124 could also carry a 1 ton payload... you just wouldn't use it that way unless you absolutely had to.
    The S-500 will be able to eat everything from ground level to LEO, but is likely not going to care much at all about anything air-breating.  The S-400 is more than enough for air-breathers, leaving the S-500s to exist as ABM/ASAT complexes.
    Oh? Actually, I believe that there is a reason, why Russia started developing entirely new generation of AD (S-500), even though S-400 (which already is state-of-the-art), was barely in production at the time. And that reason is the advent of hypersonic propulsion systems (such as scramjet). The missiles, or re-entry warheads, equipped with those engines, could not only make the work for ABMDs and their crews significantly harder, but, potentially, even make the very concept of kinetic interception pretty much obsolete Twisted Evil 

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