The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:My views exactly. Except on the Donbass, where the people did rise up in the end and its important for Russia not to abandon them.

As for the rest, they seem perfectly fine with the situation - so why disturb them?

Opposition in other parts of Ukraine was suppressed by force. It's not fair to say they were fine with it.

Donbass could only successfully resist against the whole Ukrainian army + paramilitary pro-Kiev forces thanks to a long border with Russia and a large majority against Kiev.

gregoire wrote:I agree up to the point when you wrote that people in Odessa, Nikolayev, Zaporozhia, Kherson, etc are content with the situation as is. They aren't and you must know that.
To my understanding the ukrainian secret police and not so secret nazis have a pretty tight terror regime running. People can get accused of anything using their facebook pages, skype talkes, twitter tweets and so on.

SBU and the other state-terrorists needed time to create such an oppressive state.
And they got it thanks to the passivity of most of the South-East where people naively believed that protests alone could make a difference.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Ivan Katchanovski
5 hrs · Edited ·

The "Harvard boy" is out of the Ukrainian government a day after publishing an op-ed about his long road back home. He was given the Ukrainian citizenship by Poroshenko but worked in the position of the first deputy of the economy minister on “volunteer” basis because he was not formally appointed by Yatseniuk. The Ukrainian and Western media did not report his admission in his Stanford campus radio interview that he was trained by the KGB for a Soviet foreign intelligence agent before he defected to Czechoslovakia.

http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/news/27016365.html







Source: http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/283744

gregoire wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Ivan Katchanovski
5 hrs · Edited ·

The "Harvard boy" is out of the Ukrainian government a day after publishing an op-ed about his long road back home. He was given the Ukrainian citizenship by Poroshenko but worked in the position of the first deputy of the economy minister on “volunteer” basis because he was not formally appointed by Yatseniuk. The Ukrainian and Western media did not report his admission in his Stanford campus radio interview that he was trained by the KGB for a Soviet foreign intelligence agent before he defected to Czechoslovakia.

http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/news/27016365.html







Source: http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/283744

That yats the treasonous rat is such a clown. Even his shrill lies are so over the top..but I guess he plays it for the home team and not for the more educated.

May 14, 2015 Oleg Tsarev Former Presidential candidate of Ukraine, Chairman of Novorossia Parliament Translated by Kristina Rus As you know, when someone is fighting on the side of the Kiev regime — he's a "volunteer". But if he is fighting against it - he is a "mercenary". The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine decided to cement this "logical" distinction, adopting on first reading a bill No. 2389, according to which the participation of foreigners in the ATO is legalized at the official level. Now foreigners and stateless persons residing in Ukraine on legal grounds, will be "de jure" (and not in secret as before) accepted on contract into the Ukrainian armed forces, provided with military ranks, compensation (at taxpayers ' expense, of course), and after three years of service — a right to citizenship if they want. At the same time, the Rada amended article 447 of the Criminal Code, instituting punishment for the recruitment of "mercenaries" - from 3 to 8 years in prison. Although, failing to properly explain how these "mercenaries" are different from those who were invited into the Ukrainian army with the same law. Apparently, one from the other must be distinguished with the help of a "Patriotic sense", intuitively. wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:And right on cue:

Russia has refused to forgive the debts of Ukraine

http://lenta.ru/news/2015/05/14/ukrdebt/

Machine translation:

Russia will not participate in the debt restructuring of Ukraine. This was announced by Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak, reports Tass .

"No, we will not engage in debt transactions," - said the official. He also said that in June, Moscow expects from Kiev payment of the next tranche of the loan.

Russia is one of the bondholders of Kiev - it owns bonds for 3 billion dollars. In June 2014 Ukraine paid $ 73.3 million in December - is still 75.5 million...................

This is how you fight and win wars in this day and age.

MACEDONIA: A side benefit or even the entire purpose of the destabilization there could be to enable the taking of the northrn third of Serbia. The Albanian refugees from Macedonia are all fleeing Serbia, and perhaps a little too promptly. Soros plan is to populate N of Serbia w Albanians then have a referendum.

Northern third of serbia being stolen by soros/NED, etc.
Just as Kosovo was carved from Serbia to facilitate a trans-Balkan pipeline and provide the United State a permanent Balkans military base at Camp Bondsteel, an independent Vojvodina is designed to provide NATO with a ready supply of oil and natural gas from Banat and a fertile Danube valley for the production of genetically-modified foods. Like Ukraine, Vojvodina is being targeted by the Western military-commercial complex for hydrocarbon fracking and Monsanto agri-exploitation. http://www.voltairenet.org/article186778.html

2/16/15 http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/15/brussels-next-balkans-ersatz-state-vojvodina.html Madsen Excerpts:
“If the Brussels-based European Union and NATO have their way, the Serbian province of Vojvodina will join Kosovo, previously carved by the European Union and NATO from Serbia as an ethnic Albanian state run by the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), as the next ersatz independent state in the Balkans.”

“Already, Vojvodina is being referred to by Soros-financed media and NGOs as the «Hungarian Kosovo,» even though 66 percent of the population of the province is Serbian. With 25 ethnic groups, Vojvodina is one of the most ethnically-diverse regions in Europe. For the NATO war planners and Soros demographic engineers, Vojvodina represents a fertile ground for ethnic conflict and further «Balkanization» of the Balkans.”

Analysts: West is insincere in professing commitment to peace in Ukraine
May 14, 19:02

MOSCOW, May 14. /TASS/. At a meeting in Antalya NATO’s foreign ministers followed in US Secretary of State John Kerry’s footsteps to call for a negotiated settlement of the Ukrainian crisis on the basis of the Minsk Accords. Experts polled by TASS suspect that these statements are not quite sincere, not backed up by real action and targeted at attaining long-term geopolitical aims...

The president of the National Strategy Institute, Mikhail Remizov, believes the United States and NATO countries are afraid another round of war in Donbas may have a very deplorable outcome for the Ukrainian army, too, just as all of the previous ones. "The West has made a decision to start a long big game, paying lip service to a political settlement of the crisis, but in reality bolstering the institutions of power in Kiev and building up the combat potential of the Ukrainian army. The ultimate aim of the United States and other NATO countries remains the same: winning Ukraine in the long term," Remizov told TASS. (emphasis added)

nahnews.org wrote:Lugansk region, May 15.

Ukrainian pro-government media have told the terrible story about the fighter APU, which allegedly militias LC was terrible torture. However, the "hero" has published a video of his everyday life in captivity militia.

The network has a video footage which tells about the life of Ukrainian security forces held captive by the militia. Sung by pro-government media "hero", which, according to the journalists, almost tortured to death, as it turned out, very well spent time in the "torture chambers" LC.

Let's start with history. Horror stories about fighter APU to death "tortured" a prisoner of the militias are not told except that lazy. It was also reported that the war saved the grandmother. Allegedly, she was able to soften the militias and half-dead hero was released on all four sides.

   "The fighter award and grandmother monument!" - Crucified journalists of pro-government media.

As it turned out, the "hero", instead of fascinating pastime in torture, have fun and relax.

   "Salo eat, drink alcohol, cognac!" - Boasted in a video "Hero".

A soldier tells the camera that is held captive by the militia, and, by the way, have not met one, "the Russian mercenary." In addition, a fighter MAT said that the militia for his "brothers" and he did not intend to fight against them.

This video of pro-government media somehow missed. Obviously, "accidentally did not notice." Today published information that "tortured" the poor guy is sent back to the Donbas.

Obviously, the Ukrainian military missed captive militias.

Комсомольская Правда wrote:ОБСЕ в Саханке встретили с проклятиями / OSCE in Sahanka

whir wrote:

Комсомольская Правда wrote:ОБСЕ в Саханке встретили с проклятиями / OSCE in Sahanka

whir wrote:Russia's lack of ideology and bad press are also major obstacles for people opposing Kiev since they don't know what to expect.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Opposition in other parts of Ukraine was suppressed by force. It's not fair to say they were fine with it.

gregoire wrote:Maybe, but they were terrorised for sure. Remember the fire that killed at least 40 people in odessa?

flamming_python wrote:You keep making excuses for them.

Ghoster wrote:

nahnews.org wrote:Lugansk region, May 15.

Ukrainian pro-government media have told the terrible story about the fighter APU, which allegedly militias LC was terrible torture. However, the "hero" has published a video of his everyday life in captivity militia.

The network has a video footage which tells about the life of Ukrainian security forces held captive by the militia. Sung by pro-government media "hero", which, according to the journalists, almost tortured to death, as it turned out, very well spent time in the "torture chambers" LC.

Let's start with history. Horror stories about fighter APU to death "tortured" a prisoner of the militias are not told except that lazy. It was also reported that the war saved the grandmother. Allegedly, she was able to soften the militias and half-dead hero was released on all four sides.

   "The fighter award and grandmother monument!" - Crucified journalists of pro-government media.

As it turned out, the "hero", instead of fascinating pastime in torture, have fun and relax.

   "Salo eat, drink alcohol, cognac!" - Boasted in a video "Hero".

A soldier tells the camera that is held captive by the militia, and, by the way, have not met one, "the Russian mercenary." In addition, a fighter MAT said that the militia for his "brothers" and he did not intend to fight against them.

This video of pro-government media somehow missed. Obviously, "accidentally did not notice." Today published information that "tortured" the poor guy is sent back to the Donbas.

Obviously, the Ukrainian military missed captive militias.

Somehow the video is age restricted *facepalm*

I guess an Ukrainian captive soldier having booze while being a prisoner is just terrifying!

flamming_python wrote:

Yes I remember it, a good amount of the locals seemed to have supported it, judging by the mob that was in front of the building that day and what they were saying.

After that some internet-messages circulated around detailing acts of revenge and how some of the perpetrators were caught and summarily executed by anti-Maidanists; however they all turned out to be fakes.

No revenge was taken, no-one really cared too much about the fact that +40 people were brutally murdered (torched, bludgeoned, strangled) in a beseiged burning building; all you had after that are paltry-sized gatherings of protestors and mourners (mainly just their family members and friends) - and a make-shift monument built out of wood in front of the building.. which has been vandalized and destroyed by Nazi vandals at least once, again with no-one rising up or doing anything about it.

There haven't been any significant protests (one or two numbered several hundred), no serious pressure on city/regional leaders for an investigation, no revenge taken against the perpetrators... it's all quite pathetic really.

flamming_python wrote:Opposition was suppressed by force? I wonder why that was never a problem for the Crimea and not a problem for long for the Donbass.

I wonder why none of these things were a problem for the Crimea and Donbass. Why they actually got up off their asses and did something, while the plankton in other reigons waited around to get repressed, beaten, torched, etc... and still do. While Nazi-hooligans from other regions run around their cities like hyenas and beat-up anyone they don't like, while their language is being pushed out of government, while WW2 collaborators are honoured in the Verkhovna Rada by the illegitimate president.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Opposition was suppressed by force? I wonder why that was never a problem for the Crimea and not a problem for long for the Donbass.

I wonder why none of these things were a problem for the Crimea and Donbass. Why they actually got up off their asses and did something, while the plankton in other reigons waited around to get repressed, beaten, torched, etc... and still do. While Nazi-hooligans from other regions run around their cities like hyenas and beat-up anyone they don't like, while their language is being pushed out of government, while WW2 collaborators are honoured in the Verkhovna Rada by the illegitimate president.

I am not trying to make excuses.
I am merely trying to understand why Crimea and Donbass are opposing anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism, but other regions accepted it in the end.
That's all.

I have no pity for the Ukrainians of the South-East who let West Ukrainian thinking and ideology take over their country.

Earlier this week Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko made a plea to Facebook’s CEO, asking him to open an office in Ukraine. He stated that an increasingly large number of users had had their posts and their accounts blocked or completely removed from the platform on claims that they were violating the social website’s terms of service, which was entirely untrue.

He went on to accuse Kremlin supporters of being behind the attacks in their attempt to keep facts away from the public eye and, therefore, suppressing people’s right to voice their opinions. He then appealed to Zuckerberg to create a special office in the country which would analyze the false reports coming from Russia.

The president made the request in a Facebook post addressed to the CEO on his official page, in light of the Q&A session taking place two days later.

A senior aide to the president even accused the social media website of siding with Russia, claiming that the bans are indeed politically motivated.

"There is pro-Russian influence and pressure on the Facebook office in Russia," Dmytro Shymkiv claims as quoted in an article in AFP.
The CEO approached the topic during the Q&A session

Although Zuckerberg did not elaborate on the issue in his question round, he did mention the fact that they had indeed taken down a few pages and accounts which had been reported as inappropriate but only because they did not comply with their community standards.

"We made the determination that some of these posts included these ethnic slurs against some Russian folks and we took down those posts."

He even mentioned that they are considering opening an administrative office in Ukraine sometime in the future.

It remains to be seen if the ambiguous answer satisfies the Ukrainian officials given that they have expressed their intention to continue using the social media platform to gain worldwide attention in the conflict with Russia.

Zuckerberg had mentioned before that the reported content is not being analyzed by a Russian team as purported by some Ukrainian leaders, as they do not have an office in Russia either, but by a multilingual team located in Dublin. He also brought this matter into discussion during the question session, just to make it clear that the company is not politically biased.

PapaDragon wrote:Ukraine Accuses Facebook of Siding with Russia

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ukraine-Accuses-Facebook-of-Siding-with-Russia-481276.shtml

Neutrality wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Ukraine Accuses Facebook of Siding with Russia

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ukraine-Accuses-Facebook-of-Siding-with-Russia-481276.shtml

My sides are hurting from all the laughing. This is comedy gold. President asks to setup a Facebook office while his country is falling apart. How was this clown able to run a business and not bankrupit it?

Million dollar question: Will Ukrainian authorities now ban access to Facebook because it clearly supports the pro-Russian view?