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no more Mr. nice guy 
"Gazprom" has threatened termination of deliveries enemies gas pipeline "South" and "Turkish Stream", which seek to preserve the transit through Ukraine.
(see the post above). And another thing - I think we all remember that under US pressure Bulgaria decided to drop Russian offer for NPP construction Westinghouse drop the deal (because it has no money and Bulgaria has no money) so it seems that Bulgaria was screwed by the US 
Viktor wrote:Well, here we go again
Turkish Stream May Run Through Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary – Novak
Russia->Turkey->Greece->Macedonia->Serbia->Hungary
No Bulgaria or Romania ...
and US Westinghouse was supposed to build it well
BIG TIME .... no gas and no nuclear energy and no transit income - no nothing. Well played.
Quite possibly. Greece under its new government is trying to make quite a show over its independence.George1 wrote:i dont think that Greece will participate on this at the end
Greece does not intend to abandon the construction of the branch "Turkish flow" in the country. This Greek minister of industrial reform, environmental protection and energy Panagiotis Lafazanis said Friday after meeting with the special envoy of the US State Department and coordinator for international energy relations Amos Hochsteynom.
The United States, wading into the international efforts to shape Greece’s economic and geopolitical orientation, is pushing the leftist government in Athens to resist Russia’s energy overtures.
A State Department envoy in Athens urged Greece on Friday to embrace a Western-backed project that would link Europe to natural gas supplies in Azerbaijan, rather than agree to a gas pipeline project pushed by Moscow.
NATO Uses Clashes in Macedonia to Undermine Russia's Gas Pipeline Project
Ethnic Albanians involved in recent violent clashes in the northern Macedonian city of Kumanovo
were used by Washington to threaten construction plans for Russia's Turkish Stream gas pipeline, a Serbian political scientist claimed.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — On May 9, Macedonia witnessed violent clashes between police and an armed group in Kumanovo,
a city bordering Serbia and Kosovo, which claimed the lives of eight Macedonian security officers and 14 gunmen.
According to the Macedonian Interior Ministry, the group was led by five former members of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA).
"Albanians are used to hinder [the implementation of] the Turkish Stream [project]
and as a US method of putting pressure on Europe by fomenting a new conflict in the Balkans,"
Dusan Prorokovic told Sputnik Tuesday.
According to Prorokovic, renewed Albanian insurgency in Kumanovo is likely to be orchestrated by the United States
and its NATO allies to derail Moscow's pipeline plans.
The new pipeline is expected to pass through Turkey to a gas hub on the Turkish-Greek border
for further distribution to consumers in southern Europe.
Kumanovo was an epicenter of fighting between Albanian rebels, who originated from Kosovo, and government forces in 2001.
In April, a group of some 40 gunmen, reportedly linked to the KLA, took over a police station in the northern Macedonian village of Gosince.
The armed men called for the establishment of an Albanian state.
About a quarter of Macedonia's two-million population is made up of ethnic Albanians.
Relations between Macedonians and the Albanian minority soured after the government suppressed Albanian insurgency in Tetovo,
near the border with Kosovo in 2001.
GarryB wrote:A better question might be... Is the US shooting the EU in the foot or in the head...
GarryB wrote:A better question might be... Is the US shooting the EU in the foot or in the head...
sepheronx wrote:Between the "Turkish Stream" and Armenian genocide: Turkey's double game
Russia will have to be careful. One Turkish politician said that Crimean Tatars were being treated well and what not, then another a couple days later says there are human rights abuses but mentions nothing. Then condemns Russia's taking of Crimea.
I think Russia should be careful in dealing with Turkey. Turkey is not to be trusted it seems.
kvs wrote:sepheronx wrote:Between the "Turkish Stream" and Armenian genocide: Turkey's double game
Russia will have to be careful. One Turkish politician said that Crimean Tatars were being treated well and what not, then another a couple days later says there are human rights abuses but mentions nothing. Then condemns Russia's taking of Crimea.
I think Russia should be careful in dealing with Turkey. Turkey is not to be trusted it seems.
The best solution is just to restrict gas shipments to the EU via Nord Stream and let the EU find the rest by itself.
Russia would lost about $28 billion per year until the pipelines to China are built. But it would actually be less since
there is already a pipeline to the Pacific coast.
All the grotesque games by the US, EU and NATO-member Turkey are not worth Russia's time and money. They
can all go and eat cake.
kvs wrote:sepheronx wrote:Between the "Turkish Stream" and Armenian genocide: Turkey's double game
Russia will have to be careful. One Turkish politician said that Crimean Tatars were being treated well and what not, then another a couple days later says there are human rights abuses but mentions nothing. Then condemns Russia's taking of Crimea.
I think Russia should be careful in dealing with Turkey. Turkey is not to be trusted it seems.
The best solution is just to restrict gas shipments to the EU via Nord Stream and let the EU find the rest by itself.
Russia would lost about $28 billion per year until the pipelines to China are built. But it would actually be less since
there is already a pipeline to the Pacific coast.
All the grotesque games by the US, EU and NATO-member Turkey are not worth Russia's time and money. They
can all go and eat cake.
KoTeMoRe wrote:kvs wrote:sepheronx wrote:Between the "Turkish Stream" and Armenian genocide: Turkey's double game
Russia will have to be careful. One Turkish politician said that Crimean Tatars were being treated well and what not, then another a couple days later says there are human rights abuses but mentions nothing. Then condemns Russia's taking of Crimea.
I think Russia should be careful in dealing with Turkey. Turkey is not to be trusted it seems.
The best solution is just to restrict gas shipments to the EU via Nord Stream and let the EU find the rest by itself.
Russia would lost about $28 billion per year until the pipelines to China are built. But it would actually be less since
there is already a pipeline to the Pacific coast.
All the grotesque games by the US, EU and NATO-member Turkey are not worth Russia's time and money. They
can all go and eat cake.
That's not thinking. If you cut now, the EU WILL try and find alternatives...while staying put and selling (cheaper) gas makes the EU think twice about you know what. The game is that the pusher will cut the supply when the addict will be the most fragile, and the EU currently isn't.
If you think the European Businesses are happy that the Political wing is dealing with a state like Ukraine, you are dead wrong. They can't wait to drop the whole gas saga and bury it.
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