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    Post  Isos Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:30 am

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    Iranian missile boat. 18m long for 14 tons.

    Again just shut up when you have no clue what you are talking about. And why do you bring serbia in this discussion ?
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:40 am

    Isos wrote:Myanmar Armed Forces - Page 3 300px-11

    Iranian missile boat. 18m long for 14 tons.

    Again just shut up when you have no clue what you are talking about. And why do you bring serbia in this discussion ?

    You still don't get it Shocked
    This thing uses a SINGLE launcher of a Kowsar missile, weighing 100kg.
    A 1/6th of Ch-35.
    Go play Goofy Laughing
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    Post  Isos Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:06 am

    You could have made a little more google research before talking bullshit. It's using two missiles launchers and it can be either kowsar or Nasr-1 which is a 350kg missile in the class of kh-35.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:03 pm

    People... enough of the personal insults please...

    Sure, I know that Serbia is not a naval superpower, still, you should have some common sense.

    Lsos is not Serbian... he is French.

    Honestly I would think instead of anti ship missiles with secondary land attack capacity that a nice drone and an automatic mortar would be useful... on a river boat, but then expanding it to operating further out to sea could be an option too.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:27 am

    If that won't give you a hint, then the further discussion is pointless.

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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:10 am

    ALAMO wrote:If that won't give you a hint, then the further discussion is pointless.

    g]https://www.irrawaddyvoyages.com/images/rivers-of-m.jpg[/img]

    Seriously how many time do I need to repeat ? I said create a variant not change all of the class. They can keep their patrol version for their inland waters...but they can also build a version with missiles for the coastal sea area...

    Is it clear now ?
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    Post  Sujoy Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:39 am

    Personal insults are uncalled for.
    Here is the thing....how is Myanmar going to pay for any of these items? They are buying military hardware provided the country exporting it has already extended a line of credit, think China, India.
    More importantly, the military junta that runs that country has lost control of almost half the country to rebels backed by China and Thailand.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:53 am

    Sujoy wrote:Personal insults are uncalled for.
    Here is the thing....how is Myanmar going to pay for any of these items? They are buying military hardware provided the country exporting it has already extended a line of credit, think China, India.
    More importantly, the military junta that runs that country has lost control of almost half the country to rebels backed by China and Thailand.

    Well I agree that's a good argument. I was mostly talking from an "engineering" point of view considering the countries technological situation. They aren't producing anything advanced so if they can produce such boat they can test different version to gain experience.

    Viet nam isn't any better yet they now produce their own kh-35 and ships with the help of Russia.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:07 pm

    One way to get a better bang for your buck on a tight budget is to utilise existing platforms and make they multi-purpose so you save in support costs and training.

    Obviously they have river boats, but they also have a sea going navy too and one of these river boats might make a nice light patrol boat.

    Speculating on potential armament options should not become grounds for execution or even just ridicule...

    Just looking at the first page of this thread shows they have a range of much larger ships so having a small ship with anti ship missiles could be a cheap way of improving local fire power quickly and easily and cheaply.
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    Post  George1 Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:06 pm

    The first two Su-30SME fighters were officially introduced into the Myanmar Air Force

    On December 15, 2022, at the already traditional annual ceremony , this year dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Myanmar (Burmese) aviation, at the airfield of the Myanmar Air Force Flight School Meythila (near Mandalay), 15 different aircraft and helicopters were officially introduced into the Myanmar Air Force , including the first two Su-30SME multifunctional fighters received from Russia. The ceremony was attended by the Chairman of the State Administrative Council of Myanmar and the Commander-in-Chief of the Myanmar Armed Forces, Senior General Min Aung Hlein.



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    Recall that the contract for the supply of six Su-30SME fighters to Myanmar manufactured by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC, part of the Rostec State Corporation) was signed by JSC Rosoboronexport during a visit to Myanmar by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu January 21-22, 2018. The cost of the contract in Russian unofficial sources was indicated at $400 million - possibly without the cost of aviation weapons. The contract was financed by a Russian loan, and apparently, the agreement on its terms led to a delay in implementation.

    The first Su-30SME fighter aircraft manufactured for Myanmar was demonstratedSenior General Min Aung Khlein during his visit to the Irkutsk Aviation Plant back in April 2019. At the same time, apparently, the second plane was already ready. However, in the end, the first two Su-30SME fighters built under this contract were transferred to the Myanmar side only in March 2022 and began to fly from the airfields of Naypyidaw and Meythila from the beginning of July 2022. According to some reports, the planes have already managed to take part in hostilities against the armed opposition, but were officially commissioned by the Myanmar Air Force only at a ceremony on December 15th. The first Su-30SMEs received by Myanmar have Myanmar tail numbers "1904" and "1905". Both of them made a demonstration flight at the December 15 ceremony.

    Myanmar thus became the first customer and recipient of the Su-30SME aircraft, the export version of the Su-30SM fighter. In early September 2022, Senior General Min Aung Khlein again visited the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, where he got acquainted with the manufacture of Su-30SME aircraft for Myanmar.

    In addition, at a ceremony on December 15, five Chinese export FTC-2000G light fighters (tail numbers "1401", "1403", "1404", "1405" and "1406"), one Chinese combat training FT-7M fighter (tail number "1665", apparently supplied from stock), four Chinese K-8W combat training aircraft (known tail numbers "3937" and "3938"), one Chinese military transport aircraft Y-8F- 200 (tail number "5821"), and, unexpectedly, two Soviet/Russian-made Ka-28 anti-submarine helicopters (tail numbers "6351" and "6352").



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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 05, 2023 1:32 pm

    Myanmar Air Force problems with JF-17 fighters


    The Myanmar (Burmese) opposition emigrant resource " Narinjara News" in an article under the heading "Pakistan fails to find a solution to Myanmar's military junta JF-17 nightmare" material about problems in the Myanmar Air Force with acquiredJF-17M Thunder fighters of Chinese-Pakistani production. Myanmar became the first foreign customer and recipient of the JF-17 (FC-1) light fighter. Although when reading this material, one should make an obvious allowance for the publisher's obvious bias, however, reports of serious technical problems experienced by the Myanmar Air Force with JF-17 aircraft appear not for the first time. It can also be recalled that, according to a number of reports, airframe defects and problems with its strength are the scourge of JF-17 aircraft and in the Pakistan Air Force.

    The good news for the resistance movement and Myanmar's opposition Government of National Unity (GNU) is that there appears to be tension between Islamabad and Naypyidaw over the recently delivered JF-17 fighter jets to Myanmar.

    Myanmar military junta leader Min Aung Khlein reportedly expressed his displeasure to Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Pakistan Army Chief of Staff General Asim Munir as all JF-17 Thunder aircraft that Pakistan delivered to Myanmar between 2019 and 2021 were recognized "incompetent" [the first JF-17M fighters were delivered to Myanmar in 2018. -bmpd ].

    JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter jets recently purchased from Pakistan have been stopped from flying due to malfunctions. The aircraft are part of a deal to acquire the JF-17 jointly produced by the Pakistani aircraft manufacturer Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the Chinese enterprise Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation, which was concluded by the Myanmar military junta in 2016 [probably referring to 2015].

    However, soon after the delivery of these aircraft, the Burmese Air Force was forced to stop flying on them due to the discovery of malfunctions and defects in the airframe design. A similar problem arose with the acquired fleet of aircraft in 2022. In total, there are 11 JF-17 fighters in the country, but none of them are currently in operation due to technical problems.

    In September 2022, a group of Pakistani engineers secretly visited Myanmar and made several futile troubleshooting attempts. Now the military junta is furious and, according to sources, has sent a "tough message" to Islamabad demanding to be held accountable for what happened.

    At the same time, the junta is pushing Beijing to intervene. The recent visit of the Chinese Ambassador to Myanmar to Nay Pyi Taw was said to be in connection with a message from the top leadership of the CCP to General Min Aung Hlein.

    Pakistan is struggling to renegotiate a deal on new JF-17 variants, sources said. Probably, these new options will be developed by the same alliance of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the Chinese enterprise Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation.

    However, there have been no reports so far on whether the leadership of Myanmar's military junta has accepted this revised proposal. The military junta is very unhappy that the inability to use these aircraft is hindering most of its plans to build up air power to carry out precision strikes against Myanmar resistance fighters under the banner of the People's Defense Forces (PDF), the armed wing of the GNU, according to people familiar with the matter.

    After the crisis caused by the malfunction of the JF-17 aircraft in Myanmar became known, Pakistan's attempts to sell aircraft of this type to other countries, especially Latin American ones, stalled.

    Now that the military junta in Myanmar is refusing to negotiate new aircraft purchases from Pakistan, other countries are also reluctant to cooperate with Pakistan on the issue.

    In addition to the experience of Myanmar, JF-17 aircraft have not proven themselves in Nigeria in the best way. In 2009, the Nigerian Air Force received 15 F-7NI fighters. By 2018, six out of 15 aircraft had crashed [the connection between the F-7NI and JF-17 is not very clear. -bmpd ] .
    The remaining nine fell into disrepair. Five of them were sent to China for repairs and upgrades, and in 2022 they were returned to the Nigerian Air Force. However, already in July 2023, another FT-7NI combat training aircraft delivered by China crashed.

    Argentina is one of the few countries that has refused to purchase JF-17 aircraft from China and Pakistan.

    The cost of operating and maintaining JF-17 aircraft and what it means

    In fact, Myanmar became the first country to purchase JF-17 Thunder aircraft of a joint Pakistani-Chinese production in 2015. These aircraft, built on the basis of installing the Russian Klimov RD-93 engine and Western avionics on a Chinese-made airframe, have huge operating and maintenance costs compared to other modern weapons systems.

    According to international experts in the field of aircraft construction, even after repair, JF-17 aircraft will be "difficult to operate" even if they have the appropriate technical competencies. This means that the Myanmar Air Force needs specialists who can solve technical problems as they arise. The military junta planned to send its technicians to Islamabad for modernization and maintenance training, but this work has been suspended for the time being.

    Experts also point to a number of critical features of the JF-17 aircraft, which they believe is the Chinese-made KLJ-7A1 radar, which does not provide effective detection of air targets or the use of medium-range air-to-air missiles. According to one of the experts, this radar is not accurate enough and, as a result, ineffective. In addition, "there are other problems," up to the strength of the aircraft fuselage, which cannot withstand overloads.

    The Myanmar junta relies heavily on the power of its aviation, inflicting strikes with the Myanmar Air Force on ethnic armed revolutionary organizations and civilians. It is in talks with China and Pakistan to help it build the capability of the air-to-surface missiles used on the JF-17 aircraft. However, this process is not easy for the military junta, even after billions of dollars have been spent on it.

    It should be emphasized that China itself has not yet included a single JF-17 aircraft in its arsenal.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 05, 2023 9:56 pm

    This all seems very interesting for those claiming the MiG-29 would be improved if it only had one engine which would make it cheaper and easier to operate holding the JF-17 aircraft to be the superior solution that shows how advanced the Chinese are and how backward the Russians are...

    Perhaps there is more to how good an aircraft is than just how many engines it has.

    In fact I believe there were comments along the lines of the fact that the Chinese are going to be selling JF-17s to everyone that MiG might as well just close up shop...

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