The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

magnumcromagnon wrote:

...BTW Kiev forces are now trying to attack Belarus border guards...on horse back even:

Attempt to break the boundaries stopped with weapons

All my sources confirm that Debaltsevo is mostly in Novorussian hands and that the junta forces are in full retreat to the south of the pocket. All the top Novorussian brass was on hand today, including Kononov, Motorola, Givi, Mozgovoi and Zakharchenko as were many tens of Ukrainian prisoners. It appears that the junta forces were unable to provide the kind of resistance they showed in Peski, and that make sense because in Peski they were not surrounded and they had the fire support of Ukrainian forces just north and west of them. This time the cauldron is too deep and the "lid" too strong. See for yourself.



Debaltsevo AO as of Tue Feb 17 2010 GMT
You can see that the cauldron "lid" has now closed on Debaltsevo from the north and that the junta forces are either surrendering of fleeing south where there is quite literally nothing for them to do then to wait until they run out of food and ammo. Bottom line: it's over for the Ukie forces in the Debaltsevo cauldron.

Amazingly, the freaks in Kiev as still insisting that there is no cauldron but only a "bridgehead". The good news is that apparently nobody buys that nonsense any more and the mothers and wifes of the men caught in the cauldron are trying everything they can to force the Ukie high command to accept the Novorussian offer of an evacuation corridor. The try to protest in front of the General Staff building in Kiev, then the blocked traffic. In a particularly poignant moment one of these women put a megaphone next to a cellphone to amplify the voice of her son/husband calling from the cauldron and announcing that they had for about 3 hours of supplies left.

All this is truly catastrophic news for the junta in Kiev. First, their policy of denying the issue made it impossible for their forces to get out while it was still possible. According to Russian military experts, about half of all the (comparatively) combat capable units of the Ukrainian military have been surrounded in this cauldron and that means that 50% of the Ukrainian army is now gone. Second, while Poroshenko and the junta freaks tried as hard as they could to completely deny the very existence of the cauldron, thanks to the Internet and the Russian TV channels most folks in junta-controlled Ukraine know that they are being lied to. That, in turns, means that the regime is loosing the very little credibility it might have had with the general public. Last and not least, now there will be a lot of very ugly recriminations from all sides of the political spectrum about who is guilty for that latest disaster. I would not be surprised one bit if the Ukrainian death-squads (aka Azov battalion & Co.) decided to storm Kiev for two reasons: a) to take out their rage on the regime and b) because it is safer to storm Kiev than Donetsk. Poroshenko better watch his back now. By the way, rumor (unconfirmed!) has it that he already evacuated his family to Germany.

Novorussian intel is reporting that the junta is trying to assemble three battalion tactical groups and numerous MLRS north of the cauldron to try to rescue the surrounded forces, but this will be too little too late. The Novorussians are used to Ukie artillery and they don't fear their armor or, even less so, infantry. Besides, I bet you that now that they are inside Debaltsevo, the Novorussians will deeply dig in. When is the last time that the junta forces succeeded in an urban assault operation? Exactly.

Bottom line: yet another brilliant victory for the Novorussian forces and yet another humiliating defeat for the junta in Kiev.

The Saker

sepheronx wrote:

Firebird wrote:Out of all the scum in the conflict, the 4 I'd love to see dead most are Farion, NUland, McCain and Yarosh.

To see Nuland's  head splashed all over a pavement would give me particular pleasure.
Sadly while these scum are still alive, they can reattempt this shit.
This is why the Neo Cons keep doing their shit. They think there is no come back.

Interesting to note that we were discussing a Russian hit on a big bank as revenge for US atrocities.
Now it seems they've been hit for 1bn in a low key event ie many small withdrawals.

I wonder how this all might continue..

Who has been hit?  Please be more specific.

reuters wrote:

Feb 18 (Reuters) - Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras told Germany's Stern magazine an economic war with Russia was in no-one's interests and that imposing sanctions on Moscow over the crisis in Ukraine was "hypocritical"

"If you want to punish Russia, you need to punish all the countries where Russian multi-billionaires have invested their assets," he told Stern in an interview released on Wednesday.

"I want the EU to speak with one voice.. But Greece is also suffering from the sanctions. Russian tourists are staying away, our agricultural sector is suffering," he said. (Reporting by Madeline Chambers and Noah Barkin; Editing by Caroline Copley)

magnumcromagnon wrote:Complete and utter annihilation!

Out of approx 2,000 troops of Ukrainian Army 128th Brigade, only 100-150 managed to make it out as of this morning.

arpakola wrote:http://dnr-news.com/dnr/14834-yarosh-popytalsya-skryt-poteri-svoego-batalona-v-debalcevo.html
Ярош попытался скрыть потери своего батальона в Дебальцево

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y_UeirgDSE

#Debaltsevo pocket #Ukrainian losses during last 24 hours: 94 KIA, ~200 POW, 2 tanks, 10 APCs, 12 artillery pieces, 5 vehicles. #ATO wrote:

#NAF fully take control of #Chernukhino. #ATO wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Western hypocrisy at it finest! Remember a year ago, about the countless Western media articles claiming Russia is using it's energy as blackmail against Ukraine? Well get a load of what the International Monetary Fund (which is based in Washington D.C.) has prescribed for Ukraine as a stipulation/conditionality for it's bailout loan package:

IMF aid package pushes Ukraine gas prices up 280%



...LOL how pathetic!

there are some figures in Poroshenko’s government, who are “very much pro-military,” political analyst and founder of Global Political Insight Alexander Clackson told RT. Moreover, with the Ukrainian population feeling that Kiev “is failing,” Poroshenko can’t show weakness when it comes to eastern Ukraine.

“There is an inner circle within Poroshenko’s government who are very much pro-military if you like. They hate to see Ukraine being defeated over and over again. We’ve seen it prior to the talks in September in Minsk. And we have seen that again this time as well," Clackson said. "There is a general feeling among the Ukrainian population that the Ukrainian government is failing in this conflict in eastern Ukraine. So Poroshenko wasn’t able to come across as weak during the last Minsk talks. Because if he came to these talks saying ‘Listen, I’m ready to give up Debaltsevo,’ that would cause a huge uproar in his own country, which is precisely why he had to argue that Debaltsevo was not lost.”