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    Russia - Iran Military Cooperation

    Eugenio Argentina
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:35 am

    In an interview with the Tasnim agency, Iranian Deputy Defense Minister General Mehdi Farahi finally announced that agreements have been closed for the purchase of Su-35 fighters, Mi-28 attack helicopters and Yak-130 combat training aircraft. that have already begun to arrive. completed for the Iranian Armed Forces in Russia. The process of implementing the agreements is already underway.

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:06 pm

    Hope Iran works with the su-75 program and then Russia can also develop independent supply chains for Iran and Iran can ultimately get full development for the upgraded al-41 engine and other technologies. Allowing Iran a greater tech base to their current MIC.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:55 am

    Nice to see some respect, Iran has some of the best engineers in the world, and they have worked very hard to get where they are today...

    I should point out that my comment about the F-5 as a trainer is a no brainer... the F-5 itself is a combat fighter version of the T38 trainer aircraft, so it actually started out as a trainer aircraft.

    Would love to see a version of the F-5 with its 20mm cannon removed and replaced with twin barrel 23mm guns, and upgraded engines... important to keep it affordable though...

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    Post  lancelot Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:35 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Perhaps the Su-35s won't be delivered to Iran anytime soon- they may be needed against Ukraine/NATO/Japan, so more Yak-130s will go there instead
    I doubt that the Russian MoD will order more Su-35s once the current order is over, probably in 2024, unless there are massive delays to the Su-57M program or something like that. There is little point in ordering the Su-35 if the Su-57M is available at roughly the same cost. Then there is the fact that KnAAPO is also going to be building the Su-75 Checkmate prototypes.

    There is no pressing need for huge numbers of more new Su-35s. There have been few losses of it in Ukraine.

    So I think the Su-35 deliveries to Iran could happen. There are the fighters built for Egypt, and there is probably enough slack to produce new ones if that is required.
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:46 am

    It's the su-30 they need to stop building. Its two crew are far more expensive than the single pilot in the su-35.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:02 am

    Yeah, but fits a different niche.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:16 am

    ALAMO wrote:Yeah, but fits a different niche.

    There are also some customers like India that absolutely want a two seat plane (i.e. Su-30MKI and their previous planned version of the PAK-FA).

    Furthermore for naval patrols Russia apparently wanted a two seat plane as well.

    Anyway in previous communications it was written that the yak-130 being sold to Iran would allow the pilots to train for su-35 and Su-57.

    Does it mean that a contract for the sale of Su-57 to Iran is being defined as well?

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:30 am

    For naval aviation that will execute complicated antishipping missions, having a weapon/systems operator is a clear gain. Especially as we are talking about long distance and duration patrols.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:10 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Iran's Deputy Defense Minister reported that final agreements have been signed on the supply of Su-35 fighter jets and Mi-28 helicopters to Iran.

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    I said before , Iran to buy Russian planes , if spare parts and ammo stocks are available for at least a six month air war . But now I changed my mind . Iran should buy Russian jets only if : ( 1 ) Russia allows licence production in Iran . ( 2 ) Domestic fighter , can not be made cheaper or faster and such purchase will not slow down or stop other domestic fighter programme , but speeds it up . ( 3 ) The cost of programme is not so high as to stop or slow down Iran satellite launcher ( ICBM ) and slow down nuclear programme for peaceful purposes . The likelihood of Iran being engaged in a prolonged war , with one or more powers has increased .


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    Post  Isos Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:23 pm

    Iranian can't make a decent number of knock off f-5 fighters, they will never be able to build su-35 in quantity.

    Some say they want 70 su-35 in all. Maybe some chinese j-10 and they will be good.

    No one in the middle east wants a war with Iran. The drones and ballistic missile will be enough to destroy anyone's petrol industry. No need for planes.

    Those su-35 will be used to watch their borders better and track US ships.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:43 pm


    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/23/politics/iranian-attack-drone-houthis-red-sea/index.html

    If you are right , and even if you are not , fighter jets for Iran will be of limited use . A smaller number are needed , for conventional regional conflicts with troublesome neighbours . Still war is endemic to the region . It is possible that supply chain with Russia will be disrupted , politically or through economic pressure or direct intervention . It is likely regional conflicts will be longer than a few months . Against the Yanks , Iranian fighters are much less useful , because of vastly greater number of planes , they have . That is why , Iran needs domestic fighters , more advanced , and it needs satellite launcher and deterrent too .

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:02 am

    Capable aircraft flow by well trained and capable fighter pilots offer very very good protection against any enemy threat.

    Modern air defences are very capable but in self defence they work together with your fighter aircraft to make your defences much much stronger.

    Remember Iran can pay for these aircraft with oil to Russia... oil is an international currency that Russia is already selling to customers so they can readily convert it to currency and sales if they need to.

    Don't think of Iran buying Su-35s as dooming Iranian aircraft design... think of it as finding a new partner to cooperate on new aircraft designs for the future.

    I would think Iranian engineers would have plenty to contribute in terms of future joint development projects... their threats and problems come from the same country Russias threats and problems come from.

    Rather than cutting into other programmes joining programmes with Russia could expand what Iran will be able to do and allow them to expand their growth and development without fear of sanctions.

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    Post  George1 Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:32 pm

    Iran to Begin Receiving Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter Jets from Russia Starting Next Week

    https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/iran-to-begin-receiving-sukhoi-su-35-fighter-jets-from-russia-starting-next-week-report/

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:20 pm

    George1 wrote:Iran to Begin Receiving Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter Jets from Russia Starting Next Week

    https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/iran-to-begin-receiving-sukhoi-su-35-fighter-jets-from-russia-starting-next-week-report/

    The ex Egyptian export spec Su-35s?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:43 am

    The ex Egyptian export spec Su-35s?

    Not sure why they would cancel that sales agreement with Egypt.

    I would expect Iran probably wants different features and capabilities and wont want another countries reject...

    We don't know Egypt has cancelled that deal either.

    This is going to upset the US and Israel... wonder if Saudi Arabia will buy something in response?

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    We don't know Egypt has cancelled that deal either.

    unless rejection happened because of political pressure and fighters are ready?

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