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    Post  Scorpius Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:42 pm



    HORNS AND HOOVES STUDIO continue to develop horror in the atmosphere of Soviet Sci-fi.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:36 pm


    Uno de los videojuegos más bellos y filosóficos de todos los tiempos.

    Final Fantasy 7





    Another great video game is Death Stranding
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    You guys pay for videogames?




    Obviously you have to pay for video games or do you think the world lives in yugoslavian socialism?
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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:13 pm

    Gamergate2, Communist trying again to take over gaming.



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    Post  lyle6 Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:43 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    Obviously you have to pay for video games or do you think the world lives in yugoslavian socialism?
    CD Project Red made 2 of my most favorite games but the Russophile in me will never part a cent for a Polish company. Laughing

    No I never paid for the Metro and Stalker series either. In retrospect that was a very good decision. Saved me some beer money that didn't go to some liberasts or worse, hohols.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:31 pm

    This sounds like shit you would read from the Onion.
    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/20371389?ysclid=luaeuezqu1814118451

    MOSCOW, March 27. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the government to consider the issue of organizing the production of game consoles and consoles in Russia. This was reported on the website of the Kremlin.

    "To consider the issue of organizing the production of stationary and portable game consoles and game consoles, as well as the creation of an operating system and a cloud system for delivering games and programs to users," the list of instructions following Putin's meeting on the socio-economic development of the Kaliningrad region in January says.

    The deadline for the execution of the instruction is set until June 15, 2024.

    In February, it was reported that the Organization for the Development of the Video Game Industry (RVI) will present to the government a plan for the development of video games in Russia for a five-year period. The roadmap was drawn up, among other things, taking into account proposals from executive authorities, state organizations and the professional gaming community. The plan consists of 83 points, including educational, export, and technological.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:57 pm

    What I think this is, to see what various in the industry say and give suggestions. Then grants will be given to companies who have something to show. As for game Co soles, this helps actually drive up semiconductor innovation.

    Nothing bad at all. May pave a way for Russia to take advantage of an entire sector of the economy they don't have
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:06 am

    That sounds like great news as long as they do a decent job...

    For a while the British had "advanced home computers" with the Sinclair Spectrum ZX-81. The Japanese had an enormous range of consoles and computer games.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:43 pm

    i do not know how valid this really is.

    I wish listed some games on Steam that are of Russian developers and have rather large western followings.
    This war seems to have no impact how the developers operate or steam handles them and the customer base. Gamers just want good original games.

    Iron Meat, Dust Front, Broken Arrow,...
    or in extension sea power: modern combat has developers from the former soviet nations that adhere to the true soviet weapon legacy that is highly respected by millitary simmers.

    Some tried making it political in the gaming world and paid a heavy price.

    Like workers and resources: soviet republic picking the Ukrainian side and they paid dearly for it.
    Gamers never want to see politics or social issues or they will eat you alive for it.

    Of course i always welcome diversifying the options.
    But me as a Gamer, i do not see an existing problem at this point.

    the hardware field is rather difficult at the moment.

    You got three main players, Nvidia, AMD and Intel.
    These are industry giants, sure. they got a bit lazy just harking in the money.
    but to match their R&D branches is another matter.

    I do not say it can not be done.
    But either they would need to catch up or go into another direction entirely.
    there is a bottleneck approaching too regarding thermal dispersion in the chips of both CPU and GPU's .

    We already need water-cooling to keep thermals within check for peak performance. Or really, really beefy air cooling solutions.

    i just do not see how you would give the industry three months to come up with a plan and expect something to come out of this that gives a reasonable good result.

    Anyway,...i just saw this post stating this. i never saw it elsewhere yet Razz.
    but i could not resist replying loving games and computers.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:00 pm


    Space Marine 2 is being developed in St. Petersburg



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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:33 am

    Well I just see it as Russia wanting to create its own options and systems for gaming... why would they rely on western platforms... a hostile culture that wants to kill them and steal all their land and resources...

    I would say the same drive should be made for boosting the Russian movie industry too...

    Here in New Zealand Peter Jackson used Weta Workshop and put them on the map though they had been chipping away making movies and things before that... I rather suspect Putin wants to have something like that for computer game console hardware and games that run on them...

    They could probably start with a console that allows you to play old games from old consoles and computers and video arcade machines and then work on upping the hardware and software to run current games... perhaps VR glasses or a helmet with VR and sound system and a control glove with the console built into the helmet to make it mobile.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:53 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:i do not know how valid this really is.

    I wish listed some games on Steam that are of Russian developers and have rather large western followings.
    This war seems to have no impact how the developers operate or steam handles them and the customer base. Gamers just want good original games.

    Iron Meat, Dust Front, Broken Arrow,...
    or in extension sea power: modern combat has developers from the former soviet nations that adhere to the true soviet weapon legacy that is highly respected by millitary simmers.

    Some tried making it political in the gaming world and paid a heavy price.

    Like workers and resources: soviet republic picking the Ukrainian side and they paid dearly for it.
    Gamers never want to see politics or social issues or they will eat you alive for it.

    Of course i always welcome diversifying the options.
    But me as a Gamer, i do not see an existing problem at this point.

    the hardware field is rather difficult at the moment.

    You got three main players, Nvidia, AMD and Intel.
    These are industry giants, sure. they got a bit lazy just harking in the money.
    but to match their R&D branches is another matter.

    I do not say it can not be done.
    But either they would need to catch up or go into another direction entirely.
    there is a bottleneck approaching too regarding thermal dispersion in the chips of both CPU and GPU's .

    We already need water-cooling to keep thermals within check for peak performance. Or really, really beefy air cooling solutions.

    i just do not see how you would give the industry three months to come up with a plan and expect something to come out of this that gives a reasonable good result.

    Anyway,...i just saw this post stating this. i never saw it elsewhere yet Razz.
    but i could not resist replying loving games and computers.

    As was seen with Apples M2 and M3 processors, their iGPU (these are arm based processors with proprietary extensions) can make these CPU's and built in GPUs really compete with some of the higher end that Intel, AMD and Nvidia can produce.

    Point is, Russia could go similar route. Risc V processor with a powerful iGPU.  If they come up with microcode that is easy to work with and a great compiler and maybe work with Vulkan API, they could have something without a heavy input in fabrication.

    All this would benefit Russian semiconductor developers and industry as a whole.

    I think the whole 3 months thing isn't exactly a demand but a suggestion. If I'm a betting man, the industry was probably already pushing the government to come up with an incentive program for this very thing meaning there were companies who already had plans or has something they can cook up.
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    Post  lancelot Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:57 am

    Apple can fabricate at the latest generation process at any fab they want. Russia can't do that. If you made the chips in Russia you would be talking Playstation 3 level.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:50 am


    I think the whole 3 months thing isn't exactly a demand but a suggestion. If I'm a betting man, the industry was probably already pushing the government to come up with an incentive program for this very thing meaning there were companies who already had plans or has something they can cook up.

    I suspect the 3 month deadline is to get all the various groups talking and working together on ideas and potential solutions rather than 3 months to start serial production.

    They have a lot of talent and it really comes down to getting it to work together to see what can be achieved.

    Apple can fabricate at the latest generation process at any fab they want. Russia can't do that. If you made the chips in Russia you would be talking Playstation 3 level.

    Well like I said they could start with a system that emulates older gaming machines as a sort of base model and start to evolve from there.

    It makes sense to look at the production capacity and potential of Russian companies and look at what will boost production of useful hardware that will be useful in other areas of computing. Creating a separate branch of electronics that is only useful for these consoles and nothing else does not really make a lot of sense, but clever use of chips and resources could lead to new ideas in computing.

    I remember the first computer I bought... an Amiga 500 in the late 1980s, it was way better than traditional IBM clone PCs because it had dedicated custom chips for various roles including graphics and sound chips, whereas the early 286 and 386 and even 486 PCs barely had embraced the idea of graphics and sound cards.

    The old sound blaster cards were not amazing and the graphics cards were pre 3D cards... I think the first decent graphics cards I had were two Voodoo 2 graphics cards linked together which meant I could play games like Deus Ex and Il-2.

    Perhaps Russian developers could get together with Chinese companies and make something that can compete with Xbox and Playstation... perhaps something innovative like the Wii that emphasises movement rather than sitting on your arse passively watching a screen.

    Like I said, use new technology like control gloves and VR goggles and surround sound systems... perhaps in a helmet based set up with a backpack for more hardware to make it fully mobile.

    This would mean gyros and other technology would be needed, but they are working on similar systems for their armoured vehicles and aircraft, which could benefit both parties in terms of finding solutions to problems and also increasing the production base so significant numbers can be produced if demand is there.

    Adding Chinese developers and potentially Chinese production for the Chinese market would expand the potential customer base and looking at India as a market and production centre would be a good way to spend some of the excess rupees they have by making components in India.

    Obviously it needs to be a Russian system that can be fully made in Russia by Russians, but expanding the market outside Russia is another factor for the future and there will be a few Chinese and Indian gamers who don't want to play a western oriented game where the US are the good guys and everyone else is the bad guys...
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:55 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    Obviously you have to pay for video games or do you think the world lives in yugoslavian socialism?
    CD Project Red made 2 of my most favorite games but the Russophile in me will never part a cent for a Polish company. Laughing

    No I never paid for the Metro and Stalker series either. In retrospect that was a very good decision. Saved me some beer money that didn't go to some liberasts or worse, hohols.

    Atomic Heart was a great game.
    The new Stalker for Xbox is a scam from Ukrainians. That game should have been finished before the war and they used it as an excuse for its delay.

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