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    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

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    Post  Krepost Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:29 am

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:26 am

    Interesting that there does not seem to be an optical guidance system on the quad launchers at the back of the boat.

    Apart from the remote weapon mount, the only other possible control for the missiles would be the green box on the centre roof front of the cabin of the boat though it looks rather small and does not seem to have a front optical port visible....
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    Post  Hole Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:08 pm

    Did someone notice the Afghanit system on the bow?

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    The green box belongs to it.

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    Post  xeno Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:19 pm

    Yes,everyone,from the beginning.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:44 pm

    That would only leave either that tiny optical periscope on the cabin roof or the EO system of the RWS to guide the Kornets...

    BTW are they actually Afghanits or are they smoke/decoy grenades?
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:05 pm

    I'll try and wake up early for that parade and hopefully catch a glimpse of that Raptor. Maybe it'll be parked somewhere afterwards

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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:58 am

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    They look like the launchers and in the green box are the sensors. Clearly meant to protect the boat while the assault detail leaves it at some beach.

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 27, 2022 2:55 am

    They need to install it on ships too. Will be perfect to intercept subsonic or supersonic anti ship missiles and make them explode outside of the ship.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:32 am

    Such ideas are problematic... the Afghanits munitions are explosive fragmentation grenades and would be rather dangerous to disembarking troops.

    Equally if not massively enlarged they would be too small and too short ranged to be effective against anti ship missiles.

    Your average western anti ship missiles have warheads ranging from 50kgs for small missiles to about 200kgs for the standard ones that are intended to disable a ship.

    Soviet and Russian anti ship missiles with their missile size and kinetic energy as well as the large size of their warheads intercepting them a few metres away from the ship would make very little difference in regards to saving the ship as it would take enormous damage.

    A 700kg to 1,000kg warhead in some of the bigger missiles will seriously damage a modern ship even if it is detonated 300m away from the ship...

    Smoke or decoy rockets on the other hand just need to conceal the presence of the boat or ship while IR and chaff dipoles can be launched to create heat shapes and radar signatures a few kms away from the actual boat to distract radar and IR guided weapons.
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    Post  lyle6 Wed Jul 27, 2022 2:05 pm

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    Effectors mounted on the stern facing upwards. Possible anti-top attack capabilities.

    The inclined Kornet launchers also suggest possible anti-air use.

    GarryB wrote:That would only leave either that tiny optical periscope on the cabin roof or the EO system of the RWS to guide the Kornets...

    BTW are they actually Afghanits or are they smoke/decoy grenades?
    They are hard kill effectors for the Afghanit-lite used by the Kurganets.
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    The aiming head for the Kornet is probably on a deployable tall mast, to avoid sea spray.

    Hole wrote:
    They look like the launchers and in the green box are the sensors. Clearly meant to protect the boat while the assault detail leaves it at some beach.
    The box is the LWR with what seems like two windows for coarse and precise angle measurements.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:21 pm

    Effectors mounted on the stern facing upwards. Possible anti-top attack capabilities.

    Do you know for sure or are you speculating?

    Smoke and IR/Chaff decoy launchers would be mounted with similar orientation but would not require the AESA radar and optical sensors to detect incoming munitions that the Afghanit to be effective.

    The inclined Kornet launchers also suggest possible anti-air use.

    Considering the vessel type I would think the rear mounted inclined Kornets are intended to engaging targets on the beach firing on the boat... the lack of a trailing wire and the stabilised laser guidance suggests unless it is landing in heavy surf it should be able to engage targets on the beach firing at the ships during landing... for which smoke rockets might be useful too.

    They are hard kill effectors for the Afghanit-lite used by the Kurganets.

    Official release or your guess?

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    Post  George1 Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:03 am

    The sea tug "Captain Nayden" project 23470 was put into operation of the Black Sea Fleet

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4579108.html

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:33 am


    Anti-sabotage boat "Grachonok" joined the Russian Navy

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    Another anti-sabotage boat of project 21980 (code "Grachonok") replenished the Russian Navy - the ship entered service with the Leningrad Naval Base (LenVMB), the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.

    The Ministry of Defense recalled that this year this is the second boat of this type that entered service with the base.

    The solemn ceremony of hoisting the naval flag on the boat took place in the morning in Kronstadt under the leadership of the commander of the LenVMB captain 1st rank Andrey Saloshin, who handed over the flag of St. Andrew to the commander of the boat, midshipman Vitaly Kasyanov.
    After raising the flag, the boat officially became part of the Navy.

    At present, the boat has only a side number - the boat will receive its own name in accordance with the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy.[/size][/size]

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/148819/

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Противодиверсионные_катера_проекта_21980
    With this new Pr.21980 ship, there are a total of 23 in service in the Russian Navy:
    6 in the Pacific,
     4 in the North, 4 in the Baltic, 6 in the Black Sea and 3 in the Caspian Sea


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    Post  franco Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:15 am

    I think the Black (4) and Baltic (6) are actually in reverse.

    Fleets

    Baltic Fleet: P-104, 468, 471
    Black Sea Fleet: P-191, 349, 350, 355, 424, 433, PDK №478 (Internal Troops), 479 (Internal Troops), 480 (Internal Troops), 481 (Internal Troops)
    Pacific Fleet: P-377, 417, 420, 431, 445, 450
    Northern Fleet: P-340, 421, 429, 430
    Caspian Flotilia: P-351, 449, Yunarmeets Tatarstana

    http://russianships.info/eng/warfareboats/project_21980.htm

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:44 pm

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    BGK "Anatoly Knyazev" will be included in the Baltic Fleet ahead of schedule

    The large hydrographic boat "Anatoly Knyazev" of project 19920 has passed a full cycle of preparation for admission to the Russian Navy. According to the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry, on Thursday, November 24, a solemn ceremony of hoisting the flag of the hydrographic service of the Navy will take place on the ship. The event will take place in St. Petersburg.

    According to the agency, on Tuesday, November 22, the order to approve the acceptance certificate of the boat and enroll it in the hydrographic area of ​​the Leningrad naval base of the Baltic Fleet was signed by the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov.

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    Large hydrographic boat "Anatoly Knyazev"
    Photo; Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

    BGK was built at the Okskaya Shipyard. The ship was laid down in June 2021. Sea trials began in mid-October 2022.

    The boat is named in honor of Anatoly Knyazev, the organizer and participant of the Arctic tests of the first high-latitude navigation complex during the nuclear submarine's voyage to the North Pole in 1963.

    Hydrographic boats of project 19920, developed by the Nizhny Novgorod Design Bureau "Vympel", are needed to ensure the safety of navigation: pilotage and leading submarines, maintenance and repair of coastal and floating aids to navigation, performance of hydrographic works, delivery of personnel, special equipment and cargo at a distance up to 1000 miles.

    The boats are equipped with modern equipment, which significantly expands the possibilities of hydrographic and hydrological work, the press service of the military department emphasized.

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