Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+47
Mir
ALAMO
LMFS
mnztr
GarryB
The-thing-next-door
d_taddei2
owais.usmani
Makarov420
hoom
Big_Gazza
marat
ult
dino00
xeno
Hole
Peŕrier
wilhelm
franco
George1
T-47
eehnie
Rodion_Romanovic
miroslav
Benya
flamming_python
walle83
PapaDragon
nastle77
SeigSoloyvov
KiloGolf
medo
Isos
JohninMK
max steel
Cyberspec
Honesroc
Kyo
TR1
magnumcromagnon
TheArmenian
kvs
calripson
Mike E
zg18
Dima
Viktor
51 posters

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Krepost
    Krepost


    Posts : 489
    Points : 489
    Join date : 2021-12-08

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  Krepost 26/07/22, 04:29 am

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 25-10910

    lyle6 likes this post

    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 33954
    Points : 34472
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  GarryB 26/07/22, 06:26 am

    Interesting that there does not seem to be an optical guidance system on the quad launchers at the back of the boat.

    Apart from the remote weapon mount, the only other possible control for the missiles would be the green box on the centre roof front of the cabin of the boat though it looks rather small and does not seem to have a front optical port visible....
    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 7068
    Points : 7056
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 46
    Location : Scholzistan

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  Hole 26/07/22, 03:08 pm

    Did someone notice the Afghanit system on the bow?

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 03160_10
    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 03160_11
    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 03160_12
    The green box belongs to it.

    franco, Sprut-B, LMFS, lyle6 and Mir like this post

    avatar
    xeno


    Posts : 179
    Points : 184
    Join date : 2013-02-04

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  xeno 26/07/22, 03:19 pm

    Yes,everyone,from the beginning.
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 33954
    Points : 34472
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  GarryB 26/07/22, 03:44 pm

    That would only leave either that tiny optical periscope on the cabin roof or the EO system of the RWS to guide the Kornets...

    BTW are they actually Afghanits or are they smoke/decoy grenades?
    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 6989
    Points : 7067
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  flamming_python 26/07/22, 04:05 pm

    I'll try and wake up early for that parade and hopefully catch a glimpse of that Raptor. Maybe it'll be parked somewhere afterwards

    GarryB, franco, Hole and lyle6 like this post

    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 7068
    Points : 7056
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 46
    Location : Scholzistan

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  Hole 26/07/22, 08:58 pm

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 016511
    They look like the launchers and in the green box are the sensors. Clearly meant to protect the boat while the assault detail leaves it at some beach.

    lyle6 and Mir like this post

    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 9730
    Points : 9716
    Join date : 2015-11-07

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  Isos 26/07/22, 09:55 pm

    They need to install it on ships too. Will be perfect to intercept subsonic or supersonic anti ship missiles and make them explode outside of the ship.
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 33954
    Points : 34472
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  GarryB 27/07/22, 06:32 am

    Such ideas are problematic... the Afghanits munitions are explosive fragmentation grenades and would be rather dangerous to disembarking troops.

    Equally if not massively enlarged they would be too small and too short ranged to be effective against anti ship missiles.

    Your average western anti ship missiles have warheads ranging from 50kgs for small missiles to about 200kgs for the standard ones that are intended to disable a ship.

    Soviet and Russian anti ship missiles with their missile size and kinetic energy as well as the large size of their warheads intercepting them a few metres away from the ship would make very little difference in regards to saving the ship as it would take enormous damage.

    A 700kg to 1,000kg warhead in some of the bigger missiles will seriously damage a modern ship even if it is detonated 300m away from the ship...

    Smoke or decoy rockets on the other hand just need to conceal the presence of the boat or ship while IR and chaff dipoles can be launched to create heat shapes and radar signatures a few kms away from the actual boat to distract radar and IR guided weapons.
    lyle6
    lyle6


    Posts : 1265
    Points : 1265
    Join date : 2020-09-14
    Location : Philippines

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  lyle6 27/07/22, 09:05 am

    Krepost wrote:Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 25-10910
    Effectors mounted on the stern facing upwards. Possible anti-top attack capabilities.

    The inclined Kornet launchers also suggest possible anti-air use.

    GarryB wrote:That would only leave either that tiny optical periscope on the cabin roof or the EO system of the RWS to guide the Kornets...

    BTW are they actually Afghanits or are they smoke/decoy grenades?
    They are hard kill effectors for the Afghanit-lite used by the Kurganets.
    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Kurganets4

    The aiming head for the Kornet is probably on a deployable tall mast, to avoid sea spray.

    Hole wrote:
    They look like the launchers and in the green box are the sensors. Clearly meant to protect the boat while the assault detail leaves it at some beach.
    The box is the LWR with what seems like two windows for coarse and precise angle measurements.

    Hole and Broski like this post

    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 33954
    Points : 34472
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  GarryB 27/07/22, 10:21 am

    Effectors mounted on the stern facing upwards. Possible anti-top attack capabilities.

    Do you know for sure or are you speculating?

    Smoke and IR/Chaff decoy launchers would be mounted with similar orientation but would not require the AESA radar and optical sensors to detect incoming munitions that the Afghanit to be effective.

    The inclined Kornet launchers also suggest possible anti-air use.

    Considering the vessel type I would think the rear mounted inclined Kornets are intended to engaging targets on the beach firing on the boat... the lack of a trailing wire and the stabilised laser guidance suggests unless it is landing in heavy surf it should be able to engage targets on the beach firing at the ships during landing... for which smoke rockets might be useful too.

    They are hard kill effectors for the Afghanit-lite used by the Kurganets.

    Official release or your guess?


    Sponsored content


    Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 23 Empty Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is 20/08/22, 08:03 am