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    Post  Mir Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:47 pm

    Are they still building the Pr.23130M's?
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:08 pm

    Yes, and there is a discussion about increasing the number.
    They have not commissioned the first serial ship yet if I am not mistaken scratch

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    Post  Krepost Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:51 am

    Mir wrote:Are they still building the Pr.23130M's?

    Yes they are. Check the previous page.

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    Post  Krepost Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:54 am

    NIKOLAI KAMOV (Project 14400) has been launched.

    For Peacetime: it is a training ship for helicopter crews (to learn how to land on a ship).

    For wartime: It is a drone carrying ship.

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    Post  Mir Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:20 am

    Could also be a very useful coastal patrol ship.

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:44 am

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    Haska-10 has been tested

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:10 pm

    For wartime: It is a drone carrying ship.

    It is important that they learn how to operate drones on ships so drones can be incorporated into all of their ships, both defensive and offensive drone designs...

    Such a vessel would be useful for all five fleets as both a helicopter training vessel and also as a drone mother ship.

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    Post  Mir Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:53 pm

    Hole wrote:
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    Haska-10 has been tested

    They should rather revert back to the Zubr design - this LCAC copy is only good for peace time duties.
    The colour scheme looks "arctic" but even there I would prefer a closed top vessel against the harsh weather.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:37 pm

    Mir wrote:

    They should rather revert back to the Zubr design - this LCAC copy is only good for peace time duties.
    The colour scheme looks "arctic" but even there I would prefer a closed top vessel against the harsh weather.

    If the want a smaller hovercraft for landing vehicles they can go with a revised version of the Dzheyran, that way they have some extra capacity for future upgrades of tanks or light missile systems.

    The Murena is already incapable of carrying most of the upgraded legacy tanks, let alone the Armata family.

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    Post  Mir Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:02 pm

    There is just way too few of any of these magnificent beasts left.

    There was a lot of talk about restarting Zubr production for the Russian Navy but so far nothing has happened.
    The Dzheyran is classic - I would certainly like a re-design. The Murena is also a good design but as you say it's way too small as a tank landing vessel.

    The Zubr is in a class of its own and it can deliver solid firepower.

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:18 pm

    this LCAC copy is only good for peace time duties.
    Zubr can´t be carried by LPD´s.

    Such a vessel would be useful for all five fleets as both a helicopter training vessel and also as a drone mother ship.
    Add a towed sonar, some torpedo tubes and a 57mm auto cannon and you got a nice little ASW ship.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:41 pm

    Now they make the propulsion system of the Zubr themselves they could probably make some more... would be interesting to see what sort of armament and sensor upgrades they might apply.

    Regarding new landing hovercraft their new helicopter landing ships are due in a couple of years so they should be working on platforms that operate with it.

    There was some talk of the landing craft from the Mistral design being of interest, perhaps they might take some ideas from that... they already have Serna landing craft that could be used but I suspect a landing hovercraft that fills the full bay width of the new landing ships and can carry a few vehicles at rather high speed a few hundred kilometres and take them right up onto the beach past any in water beach defences would be interesting and useful... obviously they would have helicopter support for the landing and hopefully some destroyers with 152mm automatic guns for a little naval gunfire support.... maybe even a cruiser with a 203mm gun battery could be used.

    Guided long range artillery shells being fired at dozens of shells per minute would be the cheapest and most cost effective way of launching a drone swarm at a target on land or at sea. Instead of having hundreds of cells for rather large and heavy and rather expensive missiles, having a couple of gun turrets with large calibre automatic gun mounts firing large calibre shells with built in ramjet engines with guidance, they would not need enormous payloads... their kinetic energy from high flight speed and a small warhead with an incendiary component that detonates deep inside the target ship would create serious problems for most modern navy.

    Just shooting down 100 x 152mm or 203mm artillery shells would use up the air defence missile load of most modern western ships with most modern ships not being able to cope with that number of targets at that potential rate of fire.

    Even guns of 203mm is not cumbersome or expensive for use on ships or on land and swarm drones and precision strike rounds that reach 180km for the 152mm and maybe 250km + for the 203mm shells would be rather potent weapons for ships and coastal artillery batteries.

    Modified rounds could be designed to hit aerial targets too...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:07 pm

    They are completely different ships
    https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/catalog/sudostroenie/rybinskaya-verf/proekty/katera-spetsialnogo-naznacheniya1/khaska-10


    The Haska-10 is 20.8 meters long, 12.5 meters wide, and 7.4 meters tall. Its total displacement is 45 tonnes. The hovercraft is equipped with two engines, each with a top power of 1,500 hp. It has a top speed of 40 knots, with a range of 400 miles
    It has a payload of 10 tons and a crew of 3.

    It is useful, but it has nothing to do with the massive zubr class.
    It is like comparing a An-28 with an An-124.

    The zubr class has a max displacement of 555 tons,
    It is 57 m long and
    25.6 m wide and a complement of 31 men. In addition to standard armament it can also carry 3 main battle tanks (up to 150 tons) or up to 8 armoured personnel carriers (APC).

    China already started producing their own Zubr class.
    It is highly likely that the production of zubr class for the Russian navy will be restarted in Feodosia, in a modernised version. I doubt however that this will happen before the situation with Ukraine is finally solved or that at least all of the eastern and southern part of Ukraine from Kharkov to Odessa (passing through Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Krivoi Rog, Nikolaev)is back into Russian control.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:09 pm

    it can also carry 3 main battle tanks (up to 150 tons).

    Two now with the weight increase, unless they upgrade the future production craft.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:13 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:46 pm

    Hole wrote:Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships - Page 25 Scree821
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    Haska-10 has been tested

    Anyone got video of this?

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:59 pm

    They are completely different ships
    Zubr was developed for operations in the Black Sea and Baltic.
    It moves from shore to shore.
    The Haska could fit inside a landing ship and move around the world to the place where it is needed.

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    Post  Mir Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:52 am

    Hole wrote:
    Zubr can´t be carried by LPD´s.

    With a little help from a hammer the Haska-10 can easily fit inside the Zubr tongue Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:43 am

    The Haska could fit inside a landing ship and move around the world to the place where it is needed.

    Pretty sure Haska is just a commercial transport vehicle for arctic regions and places without road or rail access.

    From the Kalashnikov website:

    Husky-10
    The Haska-10 was developed under the state program of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation «Development of shipbuilding and equipment for the exploration of offshore fields in 2013-2030».
    Displacement, tonnes 35.7
    Speed, knots 40
    Length, m 20,8
    Brand Rybinsk shipyard

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    At the Army-2020 International Military and Technical Forum, the Kalashnikov Group presented the Haska-10 flexible-skeg civilian hovercraft with a 10-tonne payload. The vessel was built by Rybinsk Shipyard LLC, a subsidiary of the Kalashnikov Group.

    The cargo/passenger ferry is intended for all-year-round transportation in the shallow waters of the Northern seas and hard-to-reach areas of the Far North.

    Flexible skegs allow to increase efficiency and controllability in comparison with other hovercrafts, while maintaining amphibiousness, seaworthiness and navigability.

    The Haska-10 is 20.8 meters long, 12.5 meters wide, and 7.4 meters tall. Its total displacement is 45 tonnes. The hovercraft is equipped with two engines, each with a top power of 1,500 hp. It has a top speed of 40 knots, with a range of 400 miles.

    Source: https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/catalog/sudostroenie/rybinskaya-verf/proekty/katera-spetsialnogo-naznacheniya1/khaska-10

    Regarding the helicopter training ship mentioned above it seems it is a one off and is fitted with roll control equipment to enable it to simulate rough weather on a flat sea for training pilots in difficult conditions without operating in storms or high seas.



    It is interesting it mentions a few helicopters and then says it can also be used to train other helicopters... that might include drone helicopters and of course a naval Ka-226 model, but hopefully it will include new types being developed too.

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    Post  Krepost Thu May 16, 2024 3:42 am

    Not exactly Navy (the operator of the vessel will be the Federal Agency for Maritime and River Transport).

    The VOEVODA is now undergoing sea trials in the Baltic.
    It was built in Kaliningrad.

    Its official purpose is: Rescue Support Vessel
    But it certainly has other purposes as well. This 7,500 T ship has deep sea search and rescue crafts, helicopter hangar and large conference rooms.

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    Post  Krepost Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:45 am

    One more GRACHONOK has been launched at Rybinsk.
    This is the 28th and probably last in series of this class.

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