NATO: Discussion and News

Sujoy wrote:U.S Navy engineer arrested for selling classified information pertaining to nuclear submarines to France
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513081/US-Navy-engineer-admits-selling-nuclear-submarine-secrets-foreign-country-turning-wife.html

He wanted to sell it to France. He sent data on the Virginia submarine propulsion system to the French Embassy and they turned his information in to the US FBI. From then on his contact was with an FBI special agent. Eventually he got arrested.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/jonathan-diana-toebbe-spy-trial-espionage.html

lancelot wrote:

Sujoy wrote:U.S Navy engineer arrested for selling classified information pertaining to nuclear submarines to France
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513081/US-Navy-engineer-admits-selling-nuclear-submarine-secrets-foreign-country-turning-wife.html

He wanted to sell it to France. He sent data on the Virginia submarine propulsion system to the French Embassy and they turned his information in to the US FBI. From then on his contact was with an FBI special agent. Eventually he got arrested.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/jonathan-diana-toebbe-spy-trial-espionage.html

The idiot could of went to the Chinese Embassy and would of been safe. What a dumbass!

Isos wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

lancelot wrote:

Sujoy wrote:U.S Navy engineer arrested for selling classified information pertaining to nuclear submarines to France
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513081/US-Navy-engineer-admits-selling-nuclear-submarine-secrets-foreign-country-turning-wife.html

He wanted to sell it to France. He sent data on the Virginia submarine propulsion system to the French Embassy and they turned his information in to the US FBI. From then on his contact was with an FBI special agent. Eventually he got arrested.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/jonathan-diana-toebbe-spy-trial-espionage.html

The idiot could of went to the Chinese Embassy and would of been safe. What a dumbass!

Chinese ambassy is under constant surveillance. As soon as you go there they have you in their database and look at your profil. A guy working on nuclear submarine hoing there will ring all the alarms and be arrested as soon as he goes out.

US embassies do these same shenanigans all over the world, and there's a thing called 'doubles' and 'look-a-likes' and the art of misdirection. Besides the FBI was contacted by the French Embassy to know what was going on, they haven't said the FBI were aware of this espionage prior the French Embassy informing them. His big mistake was not realizing France is a NATO member, a vassal and a colony of the United States.

Oh those inconvenient documents squirreled away in archives with 30 year secrecy that they thought would be plenty long enough      

David P. Goldman
@davidpgoldman
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Feb 18
Breaking: German press uncovers smoking-gun document from 1991 proving that Russia was promised no expansion of NATO eastwards in return for German reunification. This is all over German media -- haven't seen it elsewhere, yet.

Yandex from the German at https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article236986765/Nato-Osterweiterung-Archivfund-bestaetigt-Sicht-der-Russen.html

"We have made it clear that we will not extend NATO beyond the Elbe," wrote the German diplomat Jürgen Chrobog about a meeting of the USA, Great Britain, France and Germany in March 1991. This document confirms the Russian view on eastern enlargement.

A note from the British National Archives, which has only just emerged, supports the Russian claim that the West has violated promises made in 1990 by expanding NATO to the East. This is reported by the "Spiegel".

The US political scientist Joshua Shifrinson has found the document, which was previously classified as secret. It is about a meeting of the Political Directors of the Foreign Ministries of the USA, Great Britain, France and Germany in Bonn on March 6, 1991. The topic was the security of Poland and other Eastern European states. A Political Director heads the Political Department in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and is considered the closest adviser to the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

At the beginning of the 90s, Federal Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher (left) negotiated the terms of German unification and NATO's eastward expansion

Source: pa/dpa/Michael Jung

Bonn's representative Jürgen Chrobog stated at the time, according to the note: "We made it clear in the two-plus-four negotiations that we are not extending NATO beyond the Elbe. We cannot therefore offer NATO membership to Poland and the others.“

The British, French and Americans also rejected NATO membership for the Eastern Europeans. US Representative Raymond Seitz said: "We have made it clear to the Soviet Union – at two-plus-four- as well as other talks – that we will not take advantage of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe.“ Two years later, the Americans corrected their policy.


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Moon of Alabama
@MoonofA
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In 1989/90 Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner said similar.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

Then NATO expanded.

Oh dear

France Removes Australia From List of Strategic Partners Over AUKUS Betrayal

https://sputniknews.com/20220222/france-removes-australia-from-list-of-strategic-partners-over-aukus-betrayal-1093273906.html

Here in Germany I have noticed a significant increase of aircraft flights including propeller and helicopter aircraft flying relatively low in the past few weeks. They are not jet fighters, but they might be surveillance aircraft. It seems very unlikely to me that they are suitable for a war against Russia, but in case of civil unrest the traitors in the German government might use them against their own population, e.g. when a supply crisis hits the country.
That is just my speculation, but apart from that it is quite terrifying to live in Europe these days with all the political failure, censorship and the propganda going on.

A classic comment. Sadly too true.

Middle East Observer 2
@ME_Observer_2
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3h
Replying to
@SamRamani2

NATO is like a cyclone, every country it touches becomes rubble. From Lybia to Syria to Iraq to Yemen. NATO is the definition of death, misery, poverty, and famine. An alliance of global pirates and terrorists that brag about beheading and lynching foreign leaders on TV.

2 Rafals make contact at airshow. Both land

GarryB wrote:My first impression was... no way they would accept that buffoon... but he has been British PM for how long?

Would the new job come with a comb?

Why not? Look at the current US president, president of the EU commission... it is like the West is in the competition of "how many clowns we can place into positions of power".

Our own president Milanović looks sane by comparison.