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    NATO: Discussion and News

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    Post  lancelot Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:45 pm

    Sujoy wrote:U.S Navy engineer arrested for selling classified information pertaining to nuclear submarines to France
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513081/US-Navy-engineer-admits-selling-nuclear-submarine-secrets-foreign-country-turning-wife.html

    He wanted to sell it to France. He sent data on the Virginia submarine propulsion system to the French Embassy and they turned his information in to the US FBI. From then on his contact was with an FBI special agent. Eventually he got arrested.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/jonathan-diana-toebbe-spy-trial-espionage.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:22 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:U.S Navy engineer arrested for selling classified information pertaining to nuclear submarines to France
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513081/US-Navy-engineer-admits-selling-nuclear-submarine-secrets-foreign-country-turning-wife.html

    He wanted to sell it to France. He sent data on the Virginia submarine propulsion system to the French Embassy and they turned his information in to the US FBI. From then on his contact was with an FBI special agent. Eventually he got arrested.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/jonathan-diana-toebbe-spy-trial-espionage.html
    The idiot could of went to the Chinese Embassy and would of been safe. What a dumbass!
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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:29 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    lancelot wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:U.S Navy engineer arrested for selling classified information pertaining to nuclear submarines to France
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513081/US-Navy-engineer-admits-selling-nuclear-submarine-secrets-foreign-country-turning-wife.html

    He wanted to sell it to France. He sent data on the Virginia submarine propulsion system to the French Embassy and they turned his information in to the US FBI. From then on his contact was with an FBI special agent. Eventually he got arrested.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/jonathan-diana-toebbe-spy-trial-espionage.html
    The idiot could of went to the Chinese Embassy and would of been safe. What a dumbass!

    Chinese ambassy is under constant surveillance. As soon as you go there they have you in their database and look at your profil. A guy working on nuclear submarine hoing there will ring all the alarms and be arrested as soon as he goes out.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:43 pm

    Isos wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    lancelot wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:U.S Navy engineer arrested for selling classified information pertaining to nuclear submarines to France
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10513081/US-Navy-engineer-admits-selling-nuclear-submarine-secrets-foreign-country-turning-wife.html

    He wanted to sell it to France. He sent data on the Virginia submarine propulsion system to the French Embassy and they turned his information in to the US FBI. From then on his contact was with an FBI special agent. Eventually he got arrested.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/10/jonathan-diana-toebbe-spy-trial-espionage.html
    The idiot could of went to the Chinese Embassy and would of been safe. What a dumbass!

    Chinese ambassy is under constant surveillance. As soon as you go there they have you in their database and look at your profil. A guy working on nuclear submarine hoing there will ring all the alarms and be arrested as soon as he goes out.
    US embassies do these same shenanigans all over the world, and there's a thing called 'doubles' and 'look-a-likes' and the art of misdirection. Besides the FBI was contacted by the French Embassy to know what was going on, they haven't said the FBI were aware of this espionage prior the French Embassy informing them. His big mistake was not realizing France is a NATO member, a vassal and a colony of the United States.

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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:46 pm

    I agree with you. But if he went to the chinese ambassy he would have ended the same way. He is a pretty dumb guy. US schoolar system, he doesn't even know where France is. Probably sees french as foes because of french bashing on US media and forums.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:03 am

    Perhaps best to do as the Icelanders, create a military airfield or military/civil and let NATO use it.

    Or tell them they are being ridiculous and use the billions they would have spent on F-16s or worse and pay your teachers and nurses more.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:34 pm

    Oh those inconvenient documents squirreled away in archives with 30 year secrecy that they thought would be plenty long enough  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

    David P. Goldman
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    Breaking: German press uncovers smoking-gun document from 1991 proving that Russia was promised no expansion of NATO eastwards in return for German reunification. This is all over German media -- haven't seen it elsewhere, yet.


    Yandex from the German at https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article236986765/Nato-Osterweiterung-Archivfund-bestaetigt-Sicht-der-Russen.html

    "We have made it clear that we will not extend NATO beyond the Elbe," wrote the German diplomat Jürgen Chrobog about a meeting of the USA, Great Britain, France and Germany in March 1991. This document confirms the Russian view on eastern enlargement.

    A note from the British National Archives, which has only just emerged, supports the Russian claim that the West has violated promises made in 1990 by expanding NATO to the East. This is reported by the "Spiegel".

    The US political scientist Joshua Shifrinson has found the document, which was previously classified as secret. It is about a meeting of the Political Directors of the Foreign Ministries of the USA, Great Britain, France and Germany in Bonn on March 6, 1991. The topic was the security of Poland and other Eastern European states. A Political Director heads the Political Department in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and is considered the closest adviser to the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

    At the beginning of the 90s, Federal Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher (left) negotiated the terms of German unification and NATO's eastward expansion

    Source: pa/dpa/Michael Jung

    Bonn's representative Jürgen Chrobog stated at the time, according to the note: "We made it clear in the two-plus-four negotiations that we are not extending NATO beyond the Elbe. We cannot therefore offer NATO membership to Poland and the others.“

    The British, French and Americans also rejected NATO membership for the Eastern Europeans. US Representative Raymond Seitz said: "We have made it clear to the Soviet Union – at two-plus-four- as well as other talks – that we will not take advantage of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe.“ Two years later, the Americans corrected their policy.


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    In 1989/90 Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner said similar.
    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

    Then NATO expanded.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:05 am

    Two years later, the Americans corrected their policy.

    Two years later they went back on their word and broke their promises...

    Makes you think about new promises... Russia clearly needs to stop interacting with the west and just focus on the rest of the world and international law.

    Bad enough they broke their word but now they lie about even making the promise.

    Point lots of IRBMs and IRCMs in their direction with nuclear warheads and just keep them at arms length... when they move in to Ukraine and Georgia and Finland, just put a hair trigger and the biggest nukes they can make on those weapons and make it clear they will shoot first if they think they are in danger.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:11 pm

    Oh dear lol!

    France Removes Australia From List of Strategic Partners Over AUKUS Betrayal

    https://sputniknews.com/20220222/france-removes-australia-from-list-of-strategic-partners-over-aukus-betrayal-1093273906.html

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:09 pm

    Here in Germany I have noticed a significant increase of aircraft flights including propeller and helicopter aircraft flying relatively low in the past few weeks. They are not jet fighters, but they might be surveillance aircraft. It seems very unlikely to me that they are suitable for a war against Russia, but in case of civil unrest the traitors in the German government might use them against their own population, e.g. when a supply crisis hits the country.
    That is just my speculation, but apart from that it is quite terrifying to live in Europe these days with all the political failure, censorship and the propganda going on.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:54 am

    A classic comment. Sadly too true.

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    NATO is like a cyclone, every country it touches becomes rubble. From Lybia to Syria to Iraq to Yemen. NATO is the definition of death, misery, poverty, and famine. An alliance of global pirates and terrorists that brag about beheading and lynching foreign leaders on TV.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:00 am

    NATO is like a cyclone, every country it touches becomes rubble. From Lybia to Syria to Iraq to Yemen. NATO is the definition of death, misery, poverty, and famine. An alliance of global pirates and terrorists that brag about beheading and lynching foreign leaders on TV.

    Yes, a defensive organisation that was under direct threat of invasion... from Libya and Syria and Iraq and Yemen... reminds me of that South Park episode where they go hunting and it is explained to the children that some animals are protected by law but that law does not apply if the animal is attacking you because you always have the right to self defence so every animal they come across they pretend is charging them from cute little bunny rabbits to squirrels and pretty much any other animal they come across.

    The old we are the hammer so every problem is a nail type situation... except very few problems are actually nails.

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