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    Post  franco Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:18 am

    I will try to verify it from other sources, but many of these units must change to the 49th army to add to the 8th army the new units from the Novorissia region

    I suspect the Novorossia units will remain the 1st Army Corps (Donetsk), 2nd Army Corps (Luhansk) and the new units in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions perhaps become the 3rd Army Corps.
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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:34 am

    avatar wrote:
    I will check what I have. I had also some differences.

    What are your sources regarding the 19th, 20th AND 42nd divisions?


    On the 19th division:
    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1373606.html
    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1443160.html

    The 19th motorized rifle brigade will again become the 503rd motorized rifle regiment
    the 4th military base - the 693rd motorized rifle regiment,
    and the 135th motorized rifle regiment will be restored in Ingushetia.

    However there is also reference to the 429 regiment in Victoty Parade 2021 in Vladikavkaz
    https://youtu.be/vL_h8pfmQ-U?t=2196
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/429-%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BA#cite_note-5

    I am inclined to think that the previous structure of the 19th Division with 4 regiments has been restored, although in different locations, the 4th Base in South Ossetia is the base of the 693rd regiment, this means that South Ossetia is fully integrated into the Russian army, it can be considered de facto part of Russia



    On the 20th Division
    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1460506.html

    With the new formation of the 20th motorized rifle division, the regular structure that existed before 2009 will most likely be restored.

    In the city of Kamyshin (Volgograd Region), on the territory of the base of the former 56th Airborne Assault Brigade, the 242nd Guards Motorized Rifle Zaleshchitsky Order of Lenin Red Banner Orders of Suvorov, Kutuzov and Bogdan Khmelnitsky Regiment will be deployed. The regiment will receive BTR-82A armored personnel carriers for service with motorized rifle battalions.

    In the city of Volgograd, on the territory of the base and using the personnel and equipment of the former 20th motorized rifle brigade, the 255th Guards Motorized Rifle Stalingrad-Korsunsky Red Banner Regiment named after Colonel General M. S. Shumilov, 944th Guards Self-Propelled Artillery Chernivtsi-Gneznensky Red Banner, Orders of Suvorov and Bohdan Khmelnitsky Regiment, 358th Guards Anti-Aircraft Missile Carpathian-Gnezny Orders of Kutuzov, Bogdan Khmelnitsky and the Red Banner Regiment and the 487th Separate Anti-tank Artillery Battalion.
    A separate tank battalion of the former 56th Airborne Assault Brigade was transferred to Volgograd and renamed the 428th Separate Tank Bobruisk Order of Lenin Red Banner Order of Suvorov Battalion

    In 2012, a decision was made to restore the divisional structure in the Ground Forces. In 2013-2020 the 2nd, 3rd, 18th, 19th, 42nd, 127th, 144th, 150th motorized rifle divisions, 4th and 90th tank divisions were re-formed.

    Will, this is from 2021, but I cannot found 242th. the regiment formed is 33th regiment

    "It should be noted that many servicemen who served in the 56th ODShbr, but permanently residing in Kamyshin, transferred to the 33rd motorized rifle regiment - this is the main "backbone" of the combat team"
    https://bloknot-volgograd.ru/news/na-ukraine-pogib-komandir-polka-iz-volgogradskoy-o-1454999

    The division should have 3 motor rifle regiments, is not necesary a separate tank battallion, that can be used as base for otrer regiment
    Most likely, in Kamyshin two regiments, 33 and 242, have been formed from a brigade that has much more personnel.
    At the moment I consider it that there are 3 regiments and I include the separate tank battalion, if necessary I would remove it,

    franco wrote:
    I suspect the Novorossia units will remain the 1st Army Corps (Donetsk), 2nd Army Corps (Luhansk) and the new units in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions perhaps become the 3rd Army Corps.

    Units from the new territories will be fully integrated into the new structure of the Russian army, naturally in the Rostov army that was created for that purpose, and will grow west to Odessa.
    The units of the Stalingrad area will be integrated with the 49th army while the 58th will be made up of the units of the republics of the North Caucasus

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    42nd div - just as an FYI, the 291st rgt is designated as Mountain and does not have a Tk bn (assume it formed the basis of the large Tk bn assigned to divisional control)

    201st Military base - the 3 regiments are not full strength having only 2 bn and no tanks. Actually read that one had only 1 bn. There is 1 separate Tk bn under divisional control here so overall the 201st Military base has 1 Tk bn and 5-6 MR bn. Not sure why they just don't make 2 full strength regiments.
    .

    The new divisions are formed from paratrooper and mountain units, which do not have their own tanks in the regiments, but at the brigade or division level.
    For example, at base 201 there is a battalion to unite the tank companies of the 3 regiments, which I assume are "mountain"
    The same happens with the 42 division, they are units from the Caucasus and in principle they did not have their own tanks, like the 20 division with airborne units
    I assume that in the end all the regiments that are not mountain or special purpose will have their tanks

    in wartime all units are enlarged, battalions are added to regiments and regiments to divisions

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    Post  11E Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:39 pm

    Thanks! I will check later, go to bed early, hunting wild boar tomorrow with my son

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    Post  11E Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:33 pm

    CENTRAL MILITARY DISTRICT
    201VB
    92nd MOT RFL Regt. (102 VB)
    149th  MOT RFL Regt. (102 VB)
    191st MOT RFL Regt. (191 MP) (102 VB)

    2nd CAA
    15th Sep MOT RFL Bde (15 OMSBr) (2 OA)
    21st Sep MOT RFL Bde(Hvy) (21 OMSBr) (2 OA)
    30th Sep MOT RFL Bde (30 OMSBr) (2 OA)

    41st CAA
    35th Sep MOT RFL Bde (41 OA)
    55th Sep MOT RFL Bde (Mn) (41 OA)
    74th Sep MOT RFL Bde (41 OA)

    90th TK Div (90 TD) (41 OA)
    228th MOT RFL Regt. (90 TD)
    6th TK Regt. (90 TD)
    80th TK Regt. (90 TD)
    239th TK Regt. (90 TD)

    EASTERN MILITARY DISTRICT
    68th Army Corps
    18th Machine Gun-Arty Div (18 PULADS) (68 AK)
    39th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (68 AK)
    5th CAA
    57th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (5 OA)
    59th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (5 OA)
    60th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (5 OA)
    70th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (5 OA)

    29th CAA
    36th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (29 OA)

    35th CAA
    38th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (35 OA)
    64th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (35 OA)
    69th Mot Rfl Bde (35 OA)

    36th CAA
    5th Sep TK Bde (5 TBr) (36 OA)
    37th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (37 OMBr) (36 OA)

    PACIFIC FLEET
    40th Sep Naval Inf Bde (40 OBrMP) (TF)
    155th Sep Nav Inf Bde (155 OBrMP) (TF)

    NORTHERN FLEET
    61st Sep Naval Inf Bde

    14th Army Corps
    80th Sep Motor Rfl Bde (Arctic)
    100th Sep Motor Rfl Bde (Arctic)

    SOUTHERN MILITARY DISTRICT
    102 VB

    8th CAA
    20th Mot Rfl Div. (20 MSD) (8 OA)
    33rd Mot Rfl Regt. (33 MSP) (20 MSD)
    255th Mot Rfl Regt. (255 MSP) (20 MSD)
    Didn’t have the 163rd in my list

    150th Mot Rfl Div (8 OA)
    102nd Mot Rfl Regt. (150 MSD)
    103rd Mot Rfl Regt (150 MSD)
    68th TK Regt. (150 MSD)
    163rd TK Regt. (150 MSD)

    49th CAA
    7th Military Base (49 OA)
    34th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (Mn) (34 OMSBr (G)) (49 OA)
    205th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (205 OMSBr) (49 OA)

    58th CAA
    4th Military Base (4 VB) (58 OA)

    19th Mot Rfl Div (19 MD) (58 OA)
    Sep TK BN with 4 x TK COY

    429th Mot Rfl Regt. (429 MSP) (19 MSD)
    503rd Mot Rfl Regt.(503 MSP) (19 MSD)
    693rd Mot Rfl Regt.(693 MSP) (19 MSD)

    136th Sep Mot Rfl Bde (136 OMSBr) (58 OA)
    Intended to be restructured to Motor Rfl Div?

    42nd Mot Rfl Div (42 MD) (58 OA)
    70th Mot Rfl Regt.(70 MSP) (42 MSD)
    71st Mot Rfl Regt. (71 MSP) (42 MSD)
    78th Mot Rfl Regt (78 MSP) (42 MSD)
    291st Mot Rfl Regt. (291 MSP) (42 MSD)

    BLACK SEA FLEET
    810th Sep Nav INF Bde (810 OBrMP) (CHf)

    CASPIAN FLOTILLA
    177th Sep Nav INF Regt.(177 OPMP) (KFL)


    WESTERN MILITARY DISTRICT
    Operational Group of RF Transnistria Region Moldova (ZVO)

    1st TK ARMY (to Moscow MD)
    27th Sep MOT RFL BDE (27 OMsBr) (1 TA)

    2nd MOT RFL DIV (2 MSD) (1 TA)
    1st MOT RFL REGT. (1 MSP) (2 MSD)
    15th MOT RFL REGT. (15 MSP) (2 MSD)
    1st TK REGT. (1 TP) (2 MSD)

    4th TK DIV (4 TD) (1 TA)
    423rd MOT RFL REGT. (423 MSP) (4 TD)
    12th TK REGT. (12 TP) (4 TD)
    13th TK REGT. (13 TP) (4 TD)

    47th TK DIV. (4 TD) (1 TA)
    MOT RFL REGT. ( MSP) (47 TD)
    TK REGT. ( TP) (47 TD)
    TK REGT. ( TP) (47 TD)
    I didn/t have the regiment numbers and homebase locations

    3rd Army Corps
    6th MRD
    72nd MOT RFL BDE (72 MSBr)

    54th MOT RFL REGT. (54 MSP) (6 MSD)
    57th MOT RFL REGT. (57 MSP) (6 MSD)
    10th TK REGT. (10 TP) (6 MSD)
    26th TK REGT. (26 TP (6 MSD)
    I’ve the 26th TK REGT as subordinate to the 6th MRD (from 3rd AK) and not in the 47th TK DIV) of the 1st Tkarmy
    Also I have a 245th Mot RFL REGT in the 3rd AK

    6th CAA (to Leningrad MD)
    4th MOT RFL BDE (MOB 216th STORAGE BASE)
    25th Sep MOT RFL BDE (25 OMsBr) (6 OA)
    138th Sep MOT RFL BDE (138 OMsBr) (6 OA)

    20th CAA (to Moscow MD)
    3rd MOT RFL DIV (3 MD) (20 OA)
    245th MOT RFL REGT. (245 MSP) (3 MSD)
    252nd MOT RFL REGT. (252 MSP) (3 MSD)
    752nd MOT RFL REGT. (752 MSP) (3 MSD)
    237th TK REGT. (237 TP) (3 MSD)

    144th MOT RFL DIV (144 MSD) (20 OA)
    254 MOT RFL REGT. (254 MSP)(144 MSD)
    488th MOT RFL REGT. (488 MSP) (144 MSD)
    59th TK REGT. (59 TP) (144 MSD)

    Baltic Fleet
    336th Sep Nav Inf BDE (336 OBRM-1P) (BF)
    878? 884th Nav Inf BN (336 OBRM-1SP)
    879th Nav Inf BN (AASLT)  (336 OBRM-1SP)
    TK BN (336 OBRM-1SP) to be implemented

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    Post  11E Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:59 pm

    The units below are from the list which Hackers Anonymous released in april 2022
    The personal data I don't care, but I could not place these units and the unit designations I didn't know either....

    206 OIAP: Homebase location, type of unit and equipment?

    EASTERN MILITARY DISTRICT
    7th Sep Railway BDe:               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    7th Sep Radio-Engineering Regiment:               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    30th KP PVO:                       homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    31st ONIP (Tyuratam):               type of unit and equipment?
    43rd ONIS:                       Homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    50th Sep Railway Bde  (Svobodny):       EMD higher echelon?
    88 ORT Br (separate Radio-Engineering Bde):      EMD higher echelon?
    92 ORT Br (sep radio-engineering Bde)       EMD higher echelon?
    96 UKBS:                       homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    212 District Training Center(Peschanka)       EMD higher echelon?
    392 District Training Center (Khabarovsk)       EMD higher echelon?
    409 OMITs               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    546 TsGPIP:               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    585 Ts OMR:               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    609 Ts OMR:               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    632 Ts OMR:               Homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    641st KP PVO               Under command of the 5th CAA or the EMD?
    643rd KP PVO (Yekaterinoslavka)               Under command of the 35th CAA or the EMD?
    650 OPRRI (Yakolevka)               type of unit and equipment?
    702 Br EMS (702 Communications Brigade?)       homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    758 ITU                       homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    769th Ts BrT               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    874 ORPUZ               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    882 Ts (zi)                       homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    4805 TRB (technical Missile Base?)       homebase location, equipment?


    11th AIR ARMY
    27th AP               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    48th OIAB (Khabarovsk)               type of unit and equipment?
    282 OIAP                       homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    3 ORAZ               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    783rd BKhVT (storage base)               Mobilisation brigade/Regiment?

    5th CAA
    237 ORADB (storage base?               Mobilisation brigade/Regiment?

    29th CAA
    3rd RB               homebase location, type of unit and equipment?

    36th Sep military cargo escort bn (Khabarovsk-Krasnaya Rechka)
    242 KOMAN                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?

    235 ORADB (storage base?)                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?

    PACIFIC FLEET
    25 DPL                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    30th Detachment                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    71st RN                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    72nd GR Br (Coastal Missile Brigade?)                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    73rd RN (Primoskaya Flotilla)                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    75th RN (Primoskaya Flotilla)                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    79th Detachment                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    254 Detachment (Primoskaya Flottila)                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    389th RP SpN                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    391 Ts OMR                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?

    703rd Ts MTO (Logistics Centre?)                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    835th Ts OMR                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    839th Ts BrT                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    861st Ts BrT                homebase location, type of unit and equipment?

    SOUTHERN MILITARY DISTRICT
    305th Sep Radio-Technical Centre (Kaspiysk) Directly under command of the SMD? equipment?
    903rd Sep Radio-Technical Centre (Sochi)        Directly under command of the SMD? equipment?

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:36 am

    11E wrote:49th CAA
    7th Military Base (49 OA)
    This is the equivalent of a mixed brigade with 4 separate motorized infantry battalions and a separate tank battalion with 4 companies (41 tanks).
    It has a few more units than a normal brigade since it is also a territorial garrison.
    The "Military Base" number refers to the number of the base (facilities) that house all the units, but each unit like the separate battalions has its own number.

    58th CAA
    4th Military Base (4 VB) (58 OA)

    This as such no longer exists as maneuver unit
    On the basis of its separate motorized infantry battalions two motorized infantry regiments are created, 693º in Tsikhinval (South Ossetia) and another in Ingushetia ( 135º)
    The 141º separate tank battalion becomes the separate tank battalion of the 19th Division and the same with the rest of the artillery units, etc... which become part of the core of the new 19th Division

    Of course the Military Base (the facilities) continue to exist but the units that remain inside it are part of the 19th Division

    CENTRAL MILITARY DISTRICT
    201VB
    92nd MOT RFL Regt. (102 VB)
    149th  MOT RFL Regt. (102 VB)
    191st MOT RFL Regt. (191 MP) (102 VB)

    After reviewing it, the divisional structure of the 201 base was not carried out, it was paralyzed or reversed in 2016-2017 and it is a Mixed Brigade type base with 4 mechanized battalions and a tank battalion with 4 companies such as the 102 and the 7th Military Base

    14th Army Corps
    80th Sep Motor Rfl Bde (Arctic)
    100th Sep Motor Rfl Bde (Arctic)

    This is not very clear, a brigade is Arctic, with two Arctic battalions and a reconnaissance battalion, but the other brigade is a normal motorized rifle brigade with 3 motorized infantry battalions and a tank battalion.
    In addition, they are not "coastal troops" to be subordinated to the Navy either, we will see what happens with them when the Leningrad Military District is organized

    The units below are from the list which Hackers Anonymous released in april 2022
    "Hackers Anonymous" hahahaha
    this is anoter CIA outlet as Q-Anon and all "ANON"

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    Post  franco Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:36 pm

    This as such no longer exists as maneuver unit
    On the basis of its separate motorized infantry battalions two motorized infantry regiments are created, 693º in Tsikhinval (South Ossetia) and another in Ingushetia ( 135º)
    The 141º separate tank battalion becomes the separate tank battalion of the 19th Division and the same with the rest of the artillery units, etc... which become part of the core of the new 19th Division

    Of course the Military Base (the facilities) continue to exist but the units that remain inside it are part of the 19th Division

    The 19th Division Motor Rifle regiment in Ingushetia is the 503rd Guards Motorized Rifle Fastovsky Order of Lenin, Red Banner, Orders of Suvorov and Bogdan Khmelnitsky Regiment.

    The reconstructed 503rd Guards motorized rifle regiment received the first batch of BTR-82A armored personnel carriers

    More than 10 modern armored personnel carriers with improved combat and running characteristics of the BTR-82A entered service with the newly formed [503rd] motorized rifle regiment [19th motorized rifle division] formations of the 58th combined-arms army of the Southern Military District in Ingushetia. Armored personnel carriers are designed to transport units, fire support in battle, destroy manpower, anti-tank weapons and lightly armored enemy vehicles.

    Construction of military facilities near the village of Nesterovskaya (Republic of Ingushetia)

    The decision to create a military training ground in Ingushetia and to place military infrastructure for a new motorized rifle regiment was made in 2018 year by the Russian Ministry of Defense. Initially, it was about the allocation of 8,884 hectares of land, but in 2019, after the clarification of land users, the requested area was reduced to 7,833 hectares. In April 2021, it became known that the area of ​​the landfill would be reduced to 6,370 hectares, while the bulk of the territory - 4,884 hectares - belongs to the forest fund and belongs to the Ministry of Natural Resources of the Russian Federation.

    In 2020, the formed 503rd Guards Motorized Rifle Fastovsky Order of Lenin, Red Banner, Orders of Suvorov and Bogdan Khmelnitsky Regiment was included in the restored 19th Motorized Rifle Division. Vice Prime Minister Maryam Amrieva, Head of the Ministry of Property, Ministry of Natural Resources, Commander of the 58th Southern Military Army District Major General Mikhail Zusko, and. about. commander of the 503rd motorized rifle regiment Igor Ivanov at a meeting with residents of the rural settlement of Nesterovskoye in the building of the local recreation center. 05/20/2021 https://gazetaingush.ru/obshchestvo/zhitelyam-ingushetii-obyasnili-prichinu-razmeshcheniya-voennogo-poligona-v-predgornoy#

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4342772.html

    NOTE: this is from post 396 from the Russian Military Reform thread.

    Back in 2008 after the fighting with Georgia ended and the new brigade system was installed, the 19th Motor Rifle Division was disbanded and it's regiments:
    429th - formed the basis of the new 19th Motor Rifle brigade
    693rd - formed the basis of the 4th Military base
    503rd and the 135th were used to form the 33rd and 34th Mountain brigades
    33rd Mountain was later used to form the 150th Motor Rifle division. In addition the separate 131st Motor Rifle brigade was used to form the 7th Military Base

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    Post  11E Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:28 pm

    @ AMCXXL,
    Thanks!

    Although the internet is not always trustworthy I found that more than half of the units mentioned in the Hackers Anonymous list were to be found and be confirmed by second or even third and fouth source on social media like VK, Moi Mir, Telegram and just google using the 5-digit code which was also mentioned in that list. Not official sites but military membersor family members mentioning their unit/5-digit code in their social media.

    Most ones mentioned in the post i have no clue what the abbreviation means or is or what the higher level is (for example the railway units)

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    206 OIAP: Homebase location, type of unit and equipment? OIAP = Separate Fighter Aviation regiment (206th not active)

    EASTERN MILITARY DISTRICT
    7th Sep Railway BDe: homebase location, type of unit and equipment? based at Komsomolsk-on-Amur, one of the two Railway Troops brigades in the District
    7th Sep Radio-Engineering Regiment: homebase location, type of unit and equipment? Artem based, GRU Elint unit
    30th KP PVO: homebase location, type of unit and equipment? KP = Command Post, PVO = Air Defense
    31st ONIP (Tyuratam): type of unit and equipment? Space Tracking Center
    43rd ONIS: Homebase location, type of unit and equipment? Military Science Research Centre (believe this one monitors the impact of the ICBM and SLBM testing)
    50th Sep Railway Bde (Svobodny): EMD higher echelon? each of the 4 major Military Districts have a Railway Troops Command (used to be called a Corps)
    88 ORT Br (separate Radio-Engineering Bde): EMD higher echelon? Sosnovy Bor, GRU Elint brigade seconded to EMD
    92 ORT Br (sep radio-engineering Bde) EMD higher echelon? Starosysoevka HQ, GRU Elint brigade seconded to EMD
    96 UKBS: homebase location, type of unit and equipment? not sure off hand
    212 District Training Center(Peschanka) EMD higher echelon? training center for Ground Forces Junior Specialists under EMD command
    392 District Training Center (Khabarovsk) EMD higher echelon? same
    409 OMITs homebase location, type of unit and equipment? the ITs stands for a measuring center, not sure of the what but could be systemic (nuclear explosions)
    546 TsGPIP: homebase location, type of unit and equipment? Ts = Center, IP = tracking but not sure of what
    585 Ts OMR: homebase location, type of unit and equipment? not sure but believe it to be Center Separate Naval Range
    609 Ts OMR: homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    632 Ts OMR: Homebase location, type of unit and equipment?
    641st KP PVO Under command of the 5th CAA or the EMD? under CAA command
    643rd KP PVO (Yekaterinoslavka) Under command of the 35th CAA or the EMD? same
    650 OPRRI (Yakolevka) type of unit and equipment? not sure but OP = training grounds or range
    702 Br EMS (702 Communications Brigade?) homebase location, type of unit and equipment? could be EMZ ? which would be an technical equipment repair plant
    758 ITU homebase location, type of unit and equipment? not sure
    769th Ts BrT homebase location, type of unit and equipment? not sure, a BrAT would be an aviation equipment storage center
    874 ORPUZ homebase location, type of unit and equipment? not sure
    882 Ts (zi) homebase location, type of unit and equipment? Ts = Center, but center of what?
    4805 TRB (technical Missile Base?) homebase location, equipment? not sure of the number but there is one of these at Onokhoy

    I may have some of these active but under a different name. Would have to compare via the numbers when I get the time.

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    Post  limb Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:45 pm

    Does the 4th tank division still exist in combat capable form? Most of its T-80Us were destroyed or captured in sumy and kharkov, hence v very little to no footage of T-80Us in the russian army. Also that division, together with the 1st tank army was defeated at kupyansk, and its defeat led to the loss of liman, so it mustve had severe losses if it couldnt hold the oskol river line. According to starshie eddy, the only army in the western military district that wasnt routed and stood its ground was the 20th. The arctic brigade also suffered heavy losses in march.
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    Post  lancelot Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:35 pm

    The 4th Guards probably had some of the oldest vehicles in operation. The T-80U was formidable when it was introduced but I doubt after decades of service the tanks themselves were in that good of a condition. Its sensors are also obsolete even compared with the T-80BVM. Most of their tanks which were lost seem to have been either to mechanical failures or being abandoned in the field. Possibly because they also had mechanical failures. So most of these were not crew losses. This was supposed to be one of the first units to get the T-14 Armata but as we know that never happened. Finally they were in what I think was the hardest place to be put into, Kharkiv, since that is where most of Ukraine's armor was in. Still a lot of claims I hear with regards to it being totaled seem like bunk to me. But no doubt it needs to be re-equipped.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:27 pm

    The only sources for the resident moron's assertions are from the UK(raine) MOD.

    That's all you need to know.

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    Post  limb Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:10 am

    The 4th Guards probably had some of the oldest vehicles in operation. The T-80U was formidable when it was introduced but I doubt after decades of service the tanks themselves were in that good of a condition. Its sensors are also obsolete even compared with the T-80BVM. Most of their tanks which were lost seem to have been either to mechanical failures or being abandoned in the field. Possibly because they also had mechanical failures. So most of these were not crew losses. This was supposed to be one of the first units to get the T-14 Armata but as we know that never happened. Finally they were in what I think was the hardest place to be put into, Kharkiv, since that is where most of Ukraine's armor was in. Still a lot of claims I hear with regards to it being totaled seem like bunk to me. But no doubt it needs to be re-equipped.

    Wrong. Vladlen tatarsky reports that Lapin's O group of the central military district only had unupgraded T-72Bs, BMP1s and BMP2, but they took far more territory with much fewer losses than the 1st tank army.  In fact, Lapin's forces had a pivotal role in liberating rubezhnoe, kremennaya and Liman. These were very difficult battles, but the ukrainians were thoroughly defeated there by the central military district. Its true though that kharkov was a particularly difficult part of the front during march so ig heavy losses there were justified. Not so much in september though.


    The only sources for the resident moron's assertions are from the UK(raine) MOD.

    That's all you need to know.

    Go **** yourself you fucking faggot.

    All the info about the western military district defending izyum-balakleya and then the 1st tank army defending oskol line in september comes from starshie eddy, vladlen tatarsky and other russian voenkors. They all criticize the performance of the 1st guards tank army(which includes the 4th tank division), while praising the 20th army and 144 motor rifle division in it. If they had an agenda to praise ukraine, why would they talk about the stellar performance of the latter unit? Instead of acting like a prissy faggot whose feelings got hurt, how about present sources saying that the 1st guards tank army had nothing to do with the retreat from kupyansk, volchansk, and the nortern liman flank.

    Who do you think to (failed to) defend kupyansk and the oskol line if you know so much?
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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 07, 2023 1:26 am

    Go **** yourself you fucking faggot.

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    Post  11E Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:17 pm

    @ Franco
    TsOMR should be a Mobilisation-Deployment Support Center

    48 OIAB is a Separate Airfield Engineer Battalion
    Then maybe the OIAP is a Separate Airfield Engineer Regiment

    GRBr should indeedbe a Coastal Missile Brigade

    TsBRT should be Central Base of Reserve Tanks

    RP SpN should be Spetsnaz Reconnaissance Regiment

    BKhVT should be Storage base for Weapons and equipment

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    Post  limb Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:40 pm

    This source says that the western military district was in fact responsible for defending Balakleya and Kupyansk, and Lapin's troops from the central military district had to plug the holes


    https://t.me/voenacher/37476

    And once again the chronology of the Balakleya situation.

    Equipment and personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine begin to accumulate in Kharkov, Chuguev and other settlements. All this is the area of ​​responsibility of the ZVO (!), Commanded by Berdnikov from Belgorod, a month after he accepted the post.

    Apparently, everything is beautiful in the reports, mobilization is not needed, everything is in the army (s), but in fact there are three and a half people on the defensive. I traveled the route Izyum-Balakleya along the highway to Kharkov and saw this fucked up. Whoever was there will remember this only checkpoint with one DShK on the turn towards Balakleya and a couple more like it if you go right to Kupyansk.

    Next comes the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the command post of the 11th Corps, control is lost, the defense is full of holes from the mobilized and terribly equipped from the LPR and DPR + SOBR + a small number of forces of the RF Armed Forces and, as you understand, there are very few of them.

    Next comes the cutting blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Shevchenkove, with a further threat to Kupyansk, this is still the responsibility of the ZVO.

    Apparently, the General Staff sees what a fuckup is brewing and that the headquarters of the ZVO is frankly not taking out and urgently asks Lapin to withdraw his forces from near Seversk and tear for help along the Starobelsk-Svatovo-Kupyansk highway ⁰ (there are a lot of videos with this transfer). For the General Staff, it becomes obvious that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to go right up to the border, create a threat to Luhansk, and most importantly, Millerovo, and in general to take control of our main artery to the south - the M4 Don highway, and the withdrawal of our 20A from Izyum begins.

    Further, Lapin takes command of all this shit, urgently builds a new line of defense with his special forces brigades of the Central Military District and units of the Western Military District. He starts to buy time, drinks the blood of the enemy, frustrates his ambitious plans. Well, Putin looks at the reports where everything is beautiful and at the actual fucked up, he understands how much they shit in his ears and announces mobilization.

    Further, Lapin successfully holds the defense, yes, gradually leaves Liman in exchange for time. How else? The mobilization was only announced on TV, there was nowhere to take people from, they fought back who they were, showed the Ukrainian what mobile defense is, the enemy was stopped.

    Well, what happened next, you know, politics and scandals began, after which his health collapsed and he went on sick leave. As he got stronger, he was offered this position, chief of staff of the ground forces. I have everything, think for yourself.

    Ps about Belogorovka, ask the previous command of the Airborne Forces, who were supposed to divert the main forces to themselves so that "O" could make a successful crossing. So they lost their posts, and the commander-in-chief of the Airborne Forces became Chief of Staff Lapin - Teplinskiy.


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