The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

[quote="T055"]

sepheronx wrote:

T055 wrote:
They will shell Donetsk and Luhansk to ruins. Then if Kiev regime doesn't take Crimea, or Tiraspol for that matter, you can be use they'll take over Gagauz. And Romania absorbing the majority of Moldova into NATO and EU.

And it will be Belarus and Armenia' turn after that.

1% grow is a grow.. In contrast the European Union that everyone calls so wealthey its GDP grow
is 0.3%.  And italy is on recession. Negative Grow.. Same with Greece. Russia economy managed to grow in the
middle of Sanctions .. so thats nothing small.  

ALso you ignore other values ,GDP alone is not indication of good economy. The ratio of your debt to your GDP is also very important..  UK economy is much worse and France is in much worse condition that Russia.  And contrary to the European Countries ,Russia is an energy superpower .So they will never experience a cold winter or be left without electricity.. Russia is a self Sufficient country that can supply alone all its needs. Have all the energy and food they need. Russia is the THird Major exporter of Wheat ,Fish ,water ,Caviar . They supply like 50%-70% of their food needs and buy the other to foreign nations. If Russia economy was weak ,they will not be building Warships and submarines like there is no tomorrow.  Russia only spend 4% of its GDP in defense... and is right now third in the world in military spending after US and China. So if Russia is "weak".. everyone else in the world is..Minus China and US.

As 2013, Russia was the 5th Largest world economy in terms of purchasing power.. Only surpassed by Japan
,India ,CHina and US.

Russia breaks into top 5 world economies, displacing Germany

http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/

There are other tables important for economy that shows the ratio of Debt vs GDP.. and Russia is far superior than France and UK ,but also USA in debt.. A $3.4 Trillion economy cannot be a "Weak" nation under any standard.
RUssia have a healthy debt of $800 billions that was used for its pipelines that they will have no problems to pay..
USA in the other hand have a hidden Debt of $222 TRILLIONS !!!  much worse state than greece in the reality ,that they will never be able to pay..

Some comic relief
Chechen in Crimea Funny as hell. Typical situation.

IT appears the last 2 days have been generally not very good for the Ukie army . And reports of Ukrainian
army groups quiting either to Russia or to join the the side of the militia. And if i heard it right ,another 5,000 Ukie forces encircled again in the southern Cauldron ? In the northern front however it looks the ukies have some small gains. The Ukie army is also using Tocka-U ballistic missiles and have been largely ineffective.. just making huge holes 8 meters deep in the middle of nowhere. The version UKie army is using appears to be the older one with only 70m range and 150m accuracy (or lack of) . If the Novo Militia can maintain for a full week , the same progress they had in the last 2 days.. it will be a game changing thing.. On the civilian front they are restoring electricity in some zones .. still the civilian casualties is terrible , the Ukie army continues shelling cities indiscriminately.

T055 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

T055 wrote:
I do hope the maps in this thread are correct, but if we look at the big picture, Novorossiya-controlled areas have decreased considerably over the past few weeks. That cannot be denied at all. (Only fanatics would deny that, and there are a few of them on here)..

If we look at the bigger picture , then you will see how the Ukie army is fighting for nothing at all. They fighting
for the destruction of Ukraine.. because what they are trying to do is a military victory without majority of Ukrainian citizens support. So if they "win" in eastern Ukraine.. they will asked to move to Crimea.. by the white house who controls Kiev.. and then War with Russia.. and then in a small time , it will turn into a NATO proxy war ,with most of the fighters fighting for kiev being foreigners. There are already many reports of Black skinned soldiers fighting in the side of Kiev.  Is a war Kiev cannot win military.. and NATO knows this. But their goal is not a military victory but economic sabotage against RUssia and damage its world image ,with the help of their propaganda to soviet union levels.. "it was Putin's missile who shot down Malasyan plane.. are the head lines of British media"..

Ukraine conflict is a NATO proxy war against Russia.. but is doomed to fail. Russia have not fall in the trap ,and have
given readiness to help Ukraine . And give Humanitarian help not only to civilians but also Ukraine soldiers. And pushing for the war to end and things to be solved with diplomacy. The war in Ukraine will be a major failure for Obama administration because they are basically trying to split forever Ukraine from Russia ,but without offering them a better alternative.. because the EU is not paying Ukraine bills or helping them in any way.

So sooner or later the same Euromaidans who protested at kiev ,will see they all were fooled  

I know that UKR Zombie StronK is fighting for nothing, but nonetheless they are fighting and systematically destroying infrastructure of what was supposed to be an independent Donbass area.

Now, it is pretty clear that no one (not Kiev nor Moscow) can or will invest anything economically in Donbass area. It's a mess - a "black hole".

What I am saying is that no one is going to win in Donbass in "reality", as the whole area is more or less destroyed. The Kiev regime has clearly decided as I pointed out earlier that they'll just bomb to pieces ares they cannot take. Even the area they took, was bombed hard and heavy before they took it. So it's a tragedy of civilians living there.

NATO has too many dogs who are willing to attack or hurt Russia and the strategy is working. 1. NATO is winning one way or the other, as they always do, unfortunately.

It is the Russian area of influence (Ukraine) that has been couped and turned against Russia and people of Donbass. Only a powerful country or a bloc such as NATO can do things like this.

They've been doing this to Russia since 1991-1999. Then again against Iraq in 2003. Then against Libya and Syria since 2011. Now Ukraine.

Russia hasn't been able to "win" in ANY of these battlefields. Not in former Yugoslavia, not in Iraq, not in Libya.

What's left of 2. Syria and what's left of Donbass is what Russia has left. From what I can see, not even that is going to last very long.

Also there is an alternative way to retaliate against Russia, beyond the fact that Donbass is destroyed and that sanctions are put on weakened Russian economy.

Kiev regime might not attack Crimea, but they definitely can 3.attack Tiraspol after Donbass, which is very weak and surrounded completely by either NATO members or heavily pro-NATO wannabe members.

1. yes NATO is wining..
in IRAN .. thats a clear win
in IRAQ .. thats an other clear victory , not to mension Afganistan
in Syria.. Assad is running already .. (dont you see..!)
in Lybia.. US had to evacuate their embassies.. so did Greece and other EU countries
in UKraine.. that EU has undertaken now the finansial and political cost of supporting a failing state..

2. Donbass is the industrial infrasracture Kiev and EU will not have. Donbass economy after the war can flowrish , with strong links to the RF

3. Attacl Traspol.. well that will be a good reason RF toops to have walk up to Dneister river...

http://novorossia.su/ru/node/5264

Ополченцы в ночь на воскресенье сбили украинский истребитель МиГ-29 в Луганской области, катапультировавшемуся пилоту удалось спастись, заявил спикер штаба спецоперации украинских силовиков на востоке Украины Леонид Матюхин в комментарии украинскому Пятому каналу.

По данным Матюхина, МиГ-29 был сбит в Луганской области. "Пилот катапультировался. После проведения поисково-спасательных мер летчик доставлен в безопасное место", — сказал он.

Novorussian army shot down another Ukrainian MiG-29 in LNR, pilot catapult himself and was resqued by Ukrainians.



http://novorossia.su/ru/node/5260

Харьковские партизаны уничтожили машину с польскими наёмниками и самоходную гаубицу «Дана», о чем сообщают источники в силах сопротивления Слобожанщины.

«В ходе очередной боевой операции партизаны ХНР уничтожили направляющийся в Изюм джип польских карателей, сопровождаемый самоходной гаубицей «Дана», — сообщают источники.

Harkov rebels attack Polish mercenaries and destroy one SUV and a Dana SP Howitzer. I wonder what this SUV on photo is. Looks like Iveco LMV, but could be other.

Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
17.08.14 Сводка штаба Армии Юго-Востока о потерях украинских оккупационных войск с 1 по 15 августа

Штабом Армии обобщены потери украинских оккупационных войск в живой силе и технике за период с 1 по 15 августа.
За указанный период силами ополчения было выведено из строя, уничтожено либо захвачено:
- 3 самолета,
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- 5 беспилотных летательных аппаратов,
- до 86 реактивных систем залпового огня, орудий полевой артиллерии и минометов,
- 121 танк,
- 234 БМП и БТР,
- до 345 автомобилей.
В результате артиллерийских ударов ликвидировано 57 мест хранения боеприпасов, горючего и различных видов материальных средств. Убито, ранено и взято в плен до 1450 карателей.

If those numbers are correct, than Ukrainian army in two weeks lost whole motorized division.

Any photo conformation of the destroyed Dana?

Also, what do you guys make of this?
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/957262.html

Regular wrote:Some comic relief
Chechen in Crimea Funny as hell. Typical situation.

What the f*** is so funny about peoples fighting huh!? 

mack8 wrote:Any photo conformation of the destroyed Dana?

Also, what do you guys make of this?
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/957262.html

Btr80___
Ukies stock it

mack8 wrote:

Regular wrote:Some comic relief
Chechen in Crimea Funny as hell. Typical situation.

What the f*** is so funny about peoples fighting huh!? 

Fighting? Chechen dude does the ads kicking. And rightly so. You clearly don't get it. He got his MB dented and he is asking for money. Like typical joke about Noviy Russkiy and fur/zaporozhech brought back to life. I bet Ukrainian peasant feels like he is in Moscow

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote: the next video looks like taken from a zombie horror movie.. SOme ukie soldiers bodies ,totally black incinerated bodies. they look like taken from a zombies holywood movie. From all the videos of nasty kills the next video is by far the most mind blowing .    warning graphic!!!

  wow just like in a horror movie. Especially that guy at 5:15 with opened skull and eyes still in eye sockets. RIP to them anyways
I hope Ukrainians will see this   

Holy fuck   

mack8 wrote:Any photo conformation of the destroyed Dana?

Also, what do you guys make of this?
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/957262.html

Video with BTR-82 is very interesting. I notice 1 interesting thing, that soldiers around BTR wear white ID ribbons, which was used by Russian forces in Caucasus wars. Novorussian soldiers usually wear St. Goerge ribbons, not white ones. Maybe this video is from some trainings in Russia, where volunteers are training.

medo wrote:

mack8 wrote:Any photo conformation of the destroyed Dana?

Also, what do you guys make of this?
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/957262.html

Video with BTR-82 is very interesting. I notice 1 interesting thing, that soldiers around BTR wear white ID ribbons, which was used by Russian forces in Caucasus wars. Novorussian soldiers usually wear St. Goerge ribbons, not white ones. Maybe this video is from some trainings in Russia, where volunteers are training.

Maybe these guys are from the Vostok (East) battalion. I think they originated in Chechnya fighting for Russia and they entered this conflict fighting for Novorossiya in May.

If true then that explained the BTR-82 that they brought along with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP2_enjEbkQ

Video of remains of Ukrainian MiG-29 shot down today. I think, by color scheme, this is the second modernized MiG-29MU1, which was shot down.

Yes, member IIAF-JSF @ acig identifies this MiG-29MU1 as bort 53.

Good news, Novorussian army grow to 25.000 soldiers. Two full divisions.

At this rate Ukraine will not have any more Airforce or Tanks if they continue for another month sending military hardware that way. and this is also apply to the soldiers.. What is more strange is the the Ukie army have hundreds of advisors from US and NATO countries.  Is totally crazy how much hardware they have lost..

Either NATO advisors wants Ukraine to lose the war very fast..and helping Russia.. or they have been used to fight
third world nations for so long ,with obsolete tactics ,but still better than what the enemy does ,that when they
fight an army with strong coordinated opponent they collapse. ?   

Even the Military Intelligence of Ukraine ,have seen their reports questioning the so called "advisors" they were sent
from NATO ,and their tactics.. and the quotes were used by them to..how to call them.  What it is? they want Ukraine to lose fast to Russia? or NATO is really that incompetent?  IF we take world war 2 as an example.. we could conclude NATO is all smoke and mirrors.. since German army rolled all Europe almost without much problems. and the British army had to be evacuated by sea.  France you know what happened to them lost without a fight.I really don't think NATO stand a chance in a conventional land war against Russia imho. NATO Navies combined however can ,but only if the fight is far from Russia territory that becomes a giant aircraft carrier that do not sink ,in case of a war. IF NATO invades Ukraine the first thing they will notice is their planes cannot fly over Rebels territory freely will have to use different tactics like flying very high but such tactics will not work if Russia joins the war and declares a no fly zone over ukraine. They will not be able ever to defeat Russian networks of S-400s and pantsirs.


Even their supply convoys are being destroyed behind enemy lines..  
This is probably the most interesting thing for me of all..what is happening in Kharkiv ,the sabotage groups..
can you imagine they get manpads and shut down a NATO plane transporting weapons to Ukraine? that will be epic.. and if NATO invades Ukraine to help kiev junta.. they will be the ones farmed ,because Russia will be on its legitimate rights to either help the rebels or even invade too and kick NATO from eastern Ukraine.. the west could not complain about Russia helping the Rebels with weapons or Russia invading if they are doing the same.   

I don't think NATO will ever invade officially with their tanks and armies.. because it will drag Russia into the conflict and it will be a Public Relations disaster if an Eurofighter is shotdown by an S-400 defenses. their modern tanks will neither fare well against Russia lazer guided artillery and Kornet-D missiles. This is why i think any NATO help to Ukraine at best have to be undercover and with mercenaries from all Europe.. because it will be the end of the political career of any western leadership if Rebels manage to wipe many NATO soldiers and we have seen before the right sector wiped.. with their bodies piled together.

I think US and NATO doesn't see Ukraine as their ally, but as Russian ally, which is fooled for the moment, but sooner or later, they will find out, they are fooled and will turn back to Russia, or at least half of Ukraine will turn back to Russia. In the mean time, Ukrainian economy will be totally destroyed and Ukrainian armed forces also, so they will not represent any treat to US and NATO. Also in this way thousands of Ukrainian tanks, armored vehicles and artillery will be destroyed and with that, could not be sold to other parts of the World, where they could make trouble to US and NATO interests, specially in Africa and in ME.

Ukraine itself has been a Russian ally for quite some time now, but with the new government... If the government is re-replaced, then Ukraine could once again be a Russian ally.

Vann7 wrote:At this rate Ukraine will not have any more Airforce or Tanks if they continue for another month sending military hardware that way. and this is also apply to the soldiers.. What is more strange is the the Ukie army have hundreds of advisors from US and NATO countries.  Is totally crazy how much hardware they have lost..

Either NATO advisors wants Ukraine to lose the war very fast..and helping Russia.. or they have been used to fight
third world nations for so long ,with obsolete tactics ,but still better than what the enemy does ,that when they
fight an army with strong coordinated opponent they collapse. ?   

Even the Military Intelligence of Ukraine ,have seen their reports questioning the so called "advisors" they were sent
from NATO ,and their tactics.. and the quotes were used by them to..how to call them.  What it is? they want Ukraine to lose fast to Russia? or NATO is really that incompetent?

Could you link some of these reports here?  



Actually there was an interview with one of these advisers, our former defense minister (google translate from lithuanian if you wish):
http://www.lrytas.lt/pasaulis/konfliktai-ir-saugumas/a-butkevicius-lisdami-gilyn-i-ukraina-rusai-skaiciuos-karstus.htm

[quote="arpakola"][quote="T055"]

Vann7 wrote:

T055 wrote:
s.

1.  yes NATO is wining..
in IRAN .. thats a clear win
in IRAQ .. thats an other clear victory , not to mension Afganistan
in Syria.. Assad is running already .. (dont you see..!)
in Lybia.. US had to evacuate their embassies.. so did Greece and other EU countries
in UKraine.. that EU has undertaken now the finansial and political cost of supporting a failing state..

..

Yes, NATO indeed is winning. It's very good you finally admit it.

Iran = economy destroyed with 30% inflation

Iraq = not even a country anymore = RUIN

Syria = RUIN, several important cities more or less in total ruins, especially Deir ez-Zor, Aleppo and Homs. Also parts of Damascus.

Libya = RUIN, not even a country anymore. Basically another Somalia

Ukraine = economy down the drain, Donbass area destroyed,.. everything going down; it's economy, currency etc

So YES, NATO is winning. Because NONE of these countries were NATO allies.

ALL of these countries were either Russian allies or countries where Russia has significant influence. That is NO LONGER the case regarding most of the countries mentioned above as majority of them are IN RUINS.

Now, if this is your way of claiming a win, may God help Russia, LOL.

Next up, when Belarus and Armenia are in ruins, one way or another, or when the U.S. fix up Venezuela further down the drain, I am sure you'll find another way of explaining how "great win" that is for Russia.

Vann7 wrote:

T055 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

T055 wrote:

1% grow is a grow.

ALso you ignore other values ,GDP alone is not indication of good economy. The ratio of your debt to your GDP is also very important..  UK economy is much worse and France is in much worse condition that Russia.  And contrary to the European Countries ,Russia is an energy superpower .So they will never experience a cold winter or be left without electricity.. Russia is a self Sufficient country that can supply alone all its needs. Have all the energy and food they need. Russia is the THird Major exporter of Wheat ,Fish ,water ,Caviar . They supply like 50%-70% of their food needs and buy the other to foreign nations. If Russia economy was weak ,they will not be building Warships and submarines like there is no tomorrow.  Russia only spend 4% of its GDP in defense... and is right now third in the world in military spending after US and China. So if Russia is "weak".. everyone else in the world is..Minus China and US.

As 2013, Russia was the 5th Largest world economy in terms of purchasing power.. Only surpassed by Japan
,India ,CHina and US.

Russia breaks into top 5 world economies, displacing Germany

http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/

There are other tables important for economy that shows the ratio of Debt vs GDP.. and Russia is far superior than France and UK ,but also USA in debt.. A $3.4 Trillion economy cannot be a "Weak" nation under any standard.
RUssia have a healthy debt of $800 billions that was used for its pipelines that they will have no problems to pay..
USA in the other hand have a hidden Debt of $222 TRILLIONS !!!  

Thanks for your reply.

But I cannot agree.

It's projected to be 0,5% growth - not 1%. But either way, we'll know what the number was in January, as sanctions have started to bite now, for both the EU and Russia. So this is not gonna be "pretty" for neither EU or Russia.

I do agree that ratio of your debt is also important. However, you're forgetting that these countries (U.S. and EU), have massive technological and military advantage, not to mention the fact that the combined economy of the U.S and the EU is 16 times bigger than Russia. And they also spend between 10 and 12 times more on weapons than Russia does.

Furthermore they have 6 times more people than Russia.

Also they have something that Russia is never going to have, which is the dominant currencies (Dollar and Euro). The only country that can challenge this is China, and no one else. Because China has more people than U.S. and EU combined; China has soon as big economy as the U.S., and China has massive civilan and military techological research going on.

Therefore Russia has two choices: either be destroyed by the aggressive West or adapt to Yuan currency, together with Russia's ally, China.

Also, you have to keep in mind that the EU can if they want to, "slaughter the welfare states" in their respective countries in order to reduce debt. However, it depends how well people are going to react to this. But don't make a mistake, thinking the West is weak.

Russia doesn't have that kind of welfare state as the case is in Western Europe - thus Russia has less public expences. Everyone has to "save themselves" in Russia.

As long as Western terror Alliance can force others to use dollar or euro, they'll have an edge. And that's a big problem.

Russia spends 4,1% of its GDP on defense. Which is actually more compared to the U.S.

U.S. spends 3,8% of its GDP on defense, while China spends around 2% of its GDP on defense.

Which means, there is not much room for Russia to go all-out against the U.S. in any way possible.

China on the other hand, can double its current defense budget if they want to spend 4% of its GDP on defense.

Russia is 6th economy in the world measured in PPP:

1) USA
2) China (China being biggest by 2018)
3) India
4) Japan
5) Germany
6) Russia

So when I say Russia is "weak", the fact is that Russia is no superpower anymore, nor can it take on the U.S. and the EU simultaniously.

So Russia better start buildning some real and serious alliance with China and India, and not just mess around "strategic partnership" and other blah blah diplomatic frases.

If Russia doesn't build serios alliance, then the West is going to destroy Russia. The West has already started it's war a while ago. Ukraine is just another country they are laying IN RUINS, after Iraq, Libya and Syria, whilst destroying Iranian and Venezuelan economy (both having 30-35% inflation).

T055 wrote:

arpakola wrote:

T055 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

T055 wrote:
s.

1.  yes NATO is wining..
in IRAN .. thats a clear win
in IRAQ .. thats an other clear victory , not to mension Afganistan
in Syria.. Assad is running already .. (dont you see..!)
in Lybia.. US had to evacuate their embassies.. so did Greece and other EU countries
in UKraine.. that EU has undertaken now the finansial and political cost of supporting a failing state..

..

Yes, NATO indeed is winning. It's very good you finally admit it.

Iran = economy destroyed with 30% inflation

Iraq = not even a country anymore = RUIN

Syria = RUIN, several important cities more or less in total ruins, especially Deir ez-Zor, Aleppo and Homs. Also parts of Damascus.

Libya = RUIN, not even a country anymore. Basically another Somalia

Ukraine = economy down the drain, Donbass area destroyed,.. everything going down; it's economy, currency etc

So YES, NATO is winning. Because NONE of these countries were NATO allies.

ALL of these countries were either Russian allies or countries where Russia has significant influence. That is NO LONGER the case regarding most of the countries mentioned above as majority of them are IN RUINS.

Now, if this is your way of claiming a win, may God help Russia, LOL.

Next up, when Belarus and Armenia are in ruins, one way or another, or when the U.S. fix up Venezuela further down the drain, I am sure you'll find another way of explaining how "great win" that is for Russia.

You realize he is joking, right?

How is ruining a country "winning"? They got walloped by barefoot jihadists for crying out loud! Destroying possible partners (in the future) is a retarded tactic... 

Libya and Iraq weren't what one would call "stable partners" anyway. - They didn't have that much to do with Russia.

Syrian citizens are in ruin, but their government can still buy Russian equipment, and has...

Ukraine screwed the EU and US over! They are going to have to deal with a ruined country they helped destroy!

Iran and (now) Egypt are running towards Russia... Iran is a VERY resource rich country, if you didn't know. Now they want to join BRICS!

If NATO does ANYTHING in Belarus, they might as well bomb Russia! Armenia isn't even in a strategic location... - When compared with Ukraine.

Once again, Venezuela is getting closer to Russia... The US is pushing countries AWAY from them, not bringing them closer.

Mike E wrote:

T055 wrote:

arpakola wrote:

T055 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

T055 wrote:
s.

1.  yes NATO is wining..
in IRAN .. thats a clear win
in IRAQ .. thats an other clear victory , not to mension Afganistan
in Syria.. Assad is running already .. (dont you see..!)
in Lybia.. US had to evacuate their embassies.. so did Greece and other EU countries
in UKraine.. that EU has undertaken now the finansial and political cost of supporting a failing state..

..

Yes, NATO indeed is winning. It's very good you finally admit it.

Iran = economy destroyed with 30% inflation

Iraq = not even a country anymore = RUIN

Syria = RUIN, several important cities more or less in total ruins, especially Deir ez-Zor, Aleppo and Homs. Also parts of Damascus.

Libya = RUIN, not even a country anymore. Basically another Somalia

Ukraine = economy down the drain, Donbass area destroyed,.. everything going down; it's economy, currency etc

So YES, NATO is winning. Because NONE of these countries were NATO allies.

ALL of these countries were either Russian allies or countries where Russia has significant influence. That is NO LONGER the case regarding most of the countries mentioned above as majority of them are IN RUINS.

Now, if this is your way of claiming a win, may God help Russia, LOL.

Next up, when Belarus and Armenia are in ruins, one way or another, or when the U.S. fix up Venezuela further down the drain, I am sure you'll find another way of explaining how "great win" that is for Russia.

You realize he is joking, right?

How is ruining a country "winning"? They got walloped by barefoot jihadists for crying out loud! Destroying possible partners (in the future) is a retarded tactic... 

Libya and Iraq weren't what one would call "stable partners" anyway. - They didn't have that much to do with Russia.

Syrian citizens are in ruin, but their government can still buy Russian equipment, and has...

Ukraine screwed the EU and US over! They are going to have to deal with a ruined country they helped destroy!

Iran and (now) Egypt are running towards Russia... Iran is a VERY resource rich country, if you didn't know. Now they want to join BRICS!

If NATO does ANYTHING in Belarus, they might as well bomb Russia! Armenia isn't even in a strategic location... - When compared with Ukraine.

Once again, Venezuela is getting closer to Russia... The US is pushing countries AWAY from them, not bringing them closer.

I know he is "joking", but it's seriously a really BAD joke. So I presented him with some facts.

Ruining AN RUSSIAN ALLY is definitely a WIN. How can it not be?`

Iraq RUINED - Saddam killed

Libya RUINED - Quadaffi killed

Syria RUINED - Soon Assad will be killed

Ukraine RUINED - Yanukovich overthrown and ALMOST killed, barely saved his life

Seriously, are you blind and cannot see that when the U.S. destroys an area where Russia has influence, it indeed is a WIN for the U.S.

Jihadists can't "challenge" the U.S. or its allies in any way. Jihadists are actually a NATO tool to precisely destroy these secular countries that were an ally of Russia, and the West has succeeded !

Same with Ukraine. Ukraine is ruined, Yanukovich is no more in Kiev and Donbass is being NOW and EVERY DAY bombed TO PIECES.

So Ukraine "screwed" the U.S. and the EU? Give me a break !!

Once again, Russian influence in Kiev IS GONE, its BYE BYE. No Yanukovich in Kiev. Do you understand the point?

Syria buying Russian weapons still ? Syria is over and done.

Even Russia decided a few days ago to DESTROY S-300 SAMs ment to be delievered for Syria. Just look it up, Russian military sources said what I say.

It sounds to me like someone supports Nazi-esque foreign policies...

Destroying a country that could be working with you and your allies is NOT a so-called "win". There's a reason most countries hate the US, because they come after whoever oppose them! This ends off screwing both parties over because of potential trade and business etc. Had the US "embraced" Hussein and Gaddafi, trade agreements could be signed, oil could be traded, and gold could be traded as well. Instead the US decided to illegaly invade both countries on BS pretexts, closing the door of co-operation for many years to come. If anything this HELPS Russia work and rebuild the countries, so that they can trade instead of the US. Just look at how many countries are expressing interest in joining BRICS and Russian unions in general. They do that to become closer with Russia, and to have a so-called "repellant" to US invasion. 

Doesn't matter, NATO doesn't benefit any country anyway. They would be better off shutting NATO down, and establishing peaceful economic unions... Then those countries (many of which are resource rich) could trade and work together.

Russia is considering selling those S-300's to a potential customer, "just look it up".

A "win" in my book is becoming closer to fellow countries, working together, free trade between the two etc. Not destroying them to pieces!