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    Post  Austin Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:05 pm

    U.S.: Russia’s ‘actions, incredibly, are heading towards escalation of the crisis’

    http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/23/u-s-russias-actions-incredibly-are-heading-towards-escalation-of-the-crisis/
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    Post  Regular Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:13 pm

    So Dutch hawks want to get more coffins trom Ukraine. Those idiots want military operation:/ I hope seps will flatten them with grads if their sf actually comes
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:15 pm

    On a different note.. this could be all conspiracies..
    But there is an American commentator , who is popular  for his extensive military and geopolitics knowledge. that are saying that the combat jets the Ukraine army use no longer take off from Ukraine. But from Romania and Moldova but also Azerbajian. And that today ukrainian are no longer conducting airforce strikes but NATO pilots using Russian Su-25 planes. The expert based in his information that NATO is heavily involved in the war ,and that is very possible that what shutdown the Malasyan plane was a bomb inside. Another thing he said is that Russia Shot down the last two.. Su-25 planes in Ukraine ,in retaliation to NATO
    for being involved in the war directly and bombing the Rebels. he basically says that world war 3 already began in Ukraine on a very small scale.Since NATO is doing the air strikes attacks on Rebels zones... and US advisors but also private military contractors are leading kiev fight.

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    Post  TheGeorgian Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:28 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Its called logistics.. I do believe Russia is supplying logistics to the Rebels ,because they have a clear view of Ukraine army positions.

    It's not only logistics, there's a stream of combatants, volunteers coming from North Caucasus into Ukraine and Russia doesn't bother to stop them. I think it's the total opposite. They provide all the logistics and funds for that. It's effective. Russian army won't drain it's human resources by sending low paid and badly equipped paramilitaries and multi-ethnic volunteers. NATO pretty much does the same. I am suprised there are no arab mercs fighting there yet ....

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    Post  Strizh Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:37 pm

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    MHm for me they didn't down a single drone. Every of the drones looks 100% intact (no wholes no damage). Any suggestions how it could happen?

    Regular wrote:So Dutch hawks want to get more coffins trom Ukraine. Those idiots want military operation:/ I hope seps will flatten them with grads if their sf actually comes

    A Russian diplomat was quite interested in this suggestion. So don't think that this must be bad for Novorussia.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:45 pm

    Is like BBC/CNN in Russia.. they now have headlines discussing how the World Cup in 2018 in Russia will look like
    with a boycott of the European Union for what they believe are "Russian actions in Ukraine"

    Just makes Russian win in 2018 World Cup more likely.

    FIFA claims to be non political so they wont cancel it, but if EU countries want to forfeit their chances by boycotting that is their decision...

    MHm for me they didn't down a single drone. Every of the drones looks 100% intact (no wholes no damage). Any suggestions how it could happen?

    The parachute has deployed so it could have been a malfunction, or damage that brought it down.

    Not the end of the world... the idea of UAVs is that they are light cheap and expendable.

    Wonder if there is a self destruct component to prevent the high tech bits getting into the wrong hands?
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:49 pm

    Regular wrote:So Dutch hawks want to get more coffins trom Ukraine. Those idiots want military operation:/ I hope seps will flatten them with grads if their sf actually comes


    Hahahahahahaha not that seps will be able to do that  Laughing Laughing 
    Come on the seps are a laugh but they are winning because the ukrainian army are a bigger laugh Laughing Laughing 
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:59 pm

    Regular wrote:So Dutch hawks want to get more coffins trom Ukraine. Those idiots want military operation:/ I hope seps will flatten them with grads if their sf actually comes

    So long as they keep their word and stay neutral, just doing their job and securing the site - it's not a bad idea. Even a small no-man's land like that could pave the way for an international peacekeeper presence, Russia involved of course.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:01 pm

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    Regular wrote:So Dutch hawks want to get more coffins trom Ukraine. Those idiots want military operation:/ I hope seps will flatten them with grads if their sf actually comes

    So long as they keep their word and stay neutral, just doing their job and securing the site - it's not a bad idea. Even a small no-man's land like that could pave the way for an international peacekeeper presence, Russia involved of course.


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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:41 pm

    IMO, sending guards to protect the site may be OK, but they should be unarmed.


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    Post  Sujoy Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:44 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Update..
    Look what an Australian have said at RT about the idea of Australian police going to Ukraine..


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    As an Aussie we are nothing like Americans although our government is a NWO puppet. One of our names for Americans is a "seppo" short for septic tank ie full of poo. I really would not want to be one of the federal police going as this is a huge potential false flag   when it is so obvious that the NWO / USA is trying to start a war with Russia over the BRICS IMF and dumping the USD look what happened to JFK , Gaddafi, Hussain when they tried to move away from Central banks..

    Unfortunately , such Aussies are in a minority . Australia basically is a care taker on behalf of the US in Asia .



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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:48 pm

    Двое советников армии США были застрелены неизвестными в Мариуполе

    Источник: http://politikus.ru/events/25220-dvoe-sovetnikov-armii-ssha-byli-zastreleny-neizvestnymi-v-mariupole.html
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    Coffins back to USA..
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:53 pm

    arpakola wrote:Двое советников армии США были застрелены неизвестными в Мариуполе

    Источник: http://politikus.ru/events/25220-dvoe-sovetnikov-armii-ssha-byli-zastreleny-neizvestnymi-v-mariupole.html
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    Coffins back to USA..

    i cant read Russian.. what happened?  Americans killed in Ukraine?

    edit..
    NM.. found a translator.. Apparently 2 american military advisors shot death the first day they arrive in Ukraine.
    By unknown armed men. This was no surprise. How can the white house believe they will be welcome in all Ukraine
    with open arms is beyond reason. When half of Ukraine see US and the one responsible for their misery and civil war since they planned the coup against their President Yakunovych and now supporting kiev neoNazis to bomb civilians. I will not be surprised if it was from the Former Berkut police.. their way to say thank you for their civil war. I predict more incidents like this will be common towards any NATO forces there.


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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:06 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:IMO, sending guards to protect the site may be OK, but they should be unarmed.

    SAS Forces On Standby For Trip To Ukraine    Question 
    http://news.sky.com/story/1307384/sas-forces-on-standby-for-trip-to-ukraine

    Malaysian experts also should be there .. not UK SAS scams..
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:24 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:IMO, sending guards to protect the site may be OK, but they should be unarmed.

    SAS Forces On Standby For Trip To Ukraine    Question 
    http://news.sky.com/story/1307384/sas-forces-on-standby-for-trip-to-ukraine

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    So are dutch commandos.
    And they will be armed...

    Its sure, the dutch commandos in mali will be flown to ukraine this weekend!!

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/mh17/22895425/__Inzet_commando_s__.html

    There will be dutch chinook helicopters aswell
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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:39 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:

    So are dutch commandos.
    And they will be armed...

    Its sure, the dutch commandos in mali will be flown to ukraine this weekend!!

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/mh17/22895425/__Inzet_commando_s__.html

    There will be dutch chinook helicopters aswell


    Well, OSCE folks were able to work just fine, weren't they?

    My concern is, what if some of those commandos are suddenly found dead?
    Another international incident is absolutely the last thing the world needs in this clusterfuck of a conflict.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:45 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:

    So are dutch commandos.
    And they will be armed...

    Its sure, the dutch commandos in mali will be flown to ukraine this weekend!!

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/mh17/22895425/__Inzet_commando_s__.html

    There will be dutch chinook helicopters aswell


    Well, OSCE folks were able to work just fine, weren't they?

    My concern is, what if some of those commandos are suddenly found dead?
    Another international incident is absolutely the last thing the world needs in this clusterfuck of a conflict.

    If one of those commandos is found death? The dutch, aussies and british will clean that shit up...
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:47 pm

    Im really interested if anyone gets info.. what the hell is the Russian politicians in parliament saying
    about the idea of sending NATO special forces "to protect the crash site" from who? . This looks like a very bad
    idea.. Also will like to know what the Donetsk and Lugansk leardership are saying about such thing..
    Those special forces will have no problems even if go disarmed to get weapons and  take away them
    from the Untrained Rebels.

    This looks crazy ,many things can go wrong. To make things worse they will use as cover the investigators
    as human shields in the Rebels zone ,so the Rebels will be unable to shot down the helicopter, they will be able to enter to the crash site and the special forces will be impossible to disarm them..  Basically this operation have the goal to keep the Rebels away of the crash zone ,so that they can falsify the evidence ,but also to help Kiev to advance by providing them with logistics.  Very ugly this deal. 100 SAS special forces will require like 400 self defense forces to keep an eye of them.. A force they could better use fighting kiev.  

    As if a firefight start.. the world media will make a field day accusing the Rebels of shooting at the investigators or killing them.. IF Russia allows many Armed NATO forces inside or many military disarmed,it will be a recipe for disaster. No idea what is Russia planning.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:53 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Im really interested if anyone gets info.. what the hell is the Russian politicians in parliament saying
    about the idea of sending NATO special forces "to protect the crash site" from who? . This looks like a very bad
    idea.. Also will like to know what the Donetsk and Lugansk leardership are saying about such thing..
    Those special forces will have no problems even if go disarmed to get weapons and  take away them
    from the Untrained Rebels.

    This looks crazy ,many things can go wrong. To make things worse they will use as cover the investigators
    as human shields in the Rebels zone ,so the Rebels will be unable to shot down the helicopter, they will be able to enter to the crash site and the special forces will be impossible to disarm them..  Basically this operation have the goal to keep the Rebels away of the crash zone ,so that they can falsify the evidence ,but also to help Kiev to advance by providing them with logistics.  Very ugly this deal. 100 SAS special forces will require like 400 self defense forces to keep an eye of them.. A force they could better use fighting kiev.  

    As if a firefight start.. the world media will make a field day accusing the Rebels of shooting at the investigators or killing them.. IF Russia allows Armed NATO forces inside ,it will be a recibe for disaster.

    It will be interesting to see how the Russians react…
    But Vann7 what should Russia do?
    The coalition countries don't need Russias approvement.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:04 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Im really interested if anyone gets info.. what the hell is the Russian politicians in parliament saying
    about the idea of sending NATO special forces "to protect the crash site" from who? . This looks like a very bad
    idea.. Also will like to know what the Donetsk and Lugansk leardership are saying about such thing..
    Those special forces will have no problems even if go disarmed to get weapons and  take away them
    from the Untrained Rebels.

    This looks crazy ,many things can go wrong. To make things worse they will use as cover the investigators
    as human shields in the Rebels zone ,so the Rebels will be unable to shot down the helicopter, they will be able to enter to the crash site and the special forces will be impossible to disarm them..  Basically this operation have the goal to keep the Rebels away of the crash zone ,so that they can falsify the evidence ,but also to help Kiev to advance by providing them with logistics.  Very ugly this deal. 100 SAS special forces will require like 400 self defense forces to keep an eye of them.. A force they could better use fighting kiev.  

    As if a firefight start.. the world media will make a field day accusing the Rebels of shooting at the investigators or killing them.. IF Russia allows Armed NATO forces inside ,it will be a recibe for disaster.

    It will be interesting to see how the Russians react…
    But Vann7 what should Russia do?
    The coalition countries don't need Russias approvement.

    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.

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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:11 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    If one of those commandos is found death? The dutch, aussies and british will clean that shit up...

    Wait, how exactly? By waging war against the rebels?
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:16 pm

    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...
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    Post  fragmachine Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:37 pm

    Desktop commanders...

    It is nice to read such claims. For these SF to act effectively in case of a battle it would require them to not stay in the zone - which is ultimately their destination target. Blackwater/Academi thugs were supposed to be well trained and well equipped too... MIA at least... How in the hell they would defend themselves against combined arms combat, hundreds of rebels, their tanks, apcs and grad, d-30s and mortars? How would Ukr come to support them if they got their ass handed to them bilions of times with those very systems listed?

    It wouldn't be a good idea for Strelkov to engage such sensitive place, that's for sure. More and more I'm inclined to the 'false flag' version, blowing out a plane and dispatching foreign forces to that place. Problem -> solution systema. Then next false flag will come, fake rebels engaging their forces so they can use them against separatists.

    You got to say that is very probable reason for that too. It is important to have 'clean boots and guts' as we speak thru TV stations.


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    Post  medo Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:37 pm

    And why do you think Novorussian autorities will allow NATO armed special forces groups to come to crash site, when they are hostile and ally of enemies from the beginning? OSCE and civil inspectors are quite enough to inspect crash site. No need for WW3 for such stupidity. NATO forces in Ukraine mean Russian military intervention and thermonuclear war. Idiots in Washington and in Bruxelles will have to come to the real World and start to think with a normal head. Thermonuclear war because Ukraine shot down airliner? Are they mad?
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:10 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    If one of those commandos is found death? The dutch, aussies and british will clean that shit up...

    Wait, how exactly? By waging war against the rebels?

    Yes, of course

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