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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:09 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:Although far from definite proof, the Ukrainian side got to greatly benefit from that aircraft disaster by diverting public attention from other military disaster at marinovka-izvarino cauldron.

    I'd also like to ask, what about BUK's IFF system? Does it have the capability to detect airliner's transponder?

    if its old staff BUK maybe not
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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:08 pm

    fraud

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    Post  medo Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:57 pm

    http://censor.net.ua/video_news/274823/ukraina_zaschischaet_donetsk_ot_napadeniya_rossii_zenitnoraketnye_kompleksy_buk_zanimayut_pozitsii_fotovideo


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    Prove, that Novorussian army capture Ukrainian Buks. Ukrainian Buk-M1 number 312 was pictured in Gorlovka in Ukraine in March 2014 and below is a photo of the same Buk number 312 in Novorussian hands in Lugansk July 2014.
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    Post  Firebird Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:58 pm

    Except even the hohol Prosecutor General said that was bullshit.
    Furthermore, that the weapons are deactivated rather than allowing the Resistance to use them.
    Thirdly, the hohols have got a previous record of shooting down airliners, AND deliberate atrocities.

    The aim of it all was to get a full ceasefire, to give shit to Russia and the Resistance. AND to allow the hohol rats out of the southern cauldron.

    Either way, if the Resistance had shot a jet down, it would only have been entirely the fault of the junta and its puppet masters in Washington etc.
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    Post  Regular Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:57 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TheGeorgian wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Regular wrote:I still think it was rebels who brought the plane down, but it was mainly AC fault.
    I doubt there was fighter jet escort, we will see when black box information is revealed. It's a day of joy for Ukr gov and big hit for rebels/Russia

    Despite the fact that Kiev declared a No Fly Zone over Eastern Ukraine 9 days earlier (July 8th)? It's strange how everyone seems to gloss over this piece of empirical evidence.

    apparently nobody gives a shaite because the flight activity was pretty high according to record before and when it happened despite the "declared" no fly zone. So it's no argument. Blamed should be the ones responsible for allowing their planes to pass a damn war zone in first place.

    Oh boy Rolling Eyes...Again people should read my earlier posts before jumping to conclusions, I already pointed out that Kiev allowed flights above 8km and the Malaysian passenger plane was confirmed to be flying at a altitude height of 3km:

    http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/mondo/2014/07/17/aereo-di-linea-malese-caduto-in-ucraina_3ca655eb-a994-4bcd-9d85-cd9f2e15a365.html
    Sorry, missed Your earlier posts, I'm using my smartphone and it compresses the crap out of this website Very Happy My eyes are as good as Ukrainian artillerymen.
    But according to official sources it was flying at about 10 km. And restricted "bottom" was 300 meters below. 
    Well I'll be cold as I am it's not a game changer. Guilty party should give responsible for prosecution and ... that's it. Maybe give compensations for families and that's about it. There is no need to extend this crap any longer and play the blame game.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:29 pm

    Firebird wrote:Except even the hohol Prosecutor General said that was bullshit.
    Furthermore, that the weapons are deactivated rather than allowing the Resistance to use them.
    Thirdly, the hohols have got a previous record of shooting down airliners, AND deliberate atrocities.

    The aim of it all was to get a full ceasefire, to give shit to Russia and the Resistance. AND to allow the hohol rats out of the southern cauldron.

    Either way, if the Resistance had shot a jet down, it would only have been entirely the fault of the junta and its puppet masters in Washington etc.

    Good also for Israel since media now focus on MH17 and they can further intensivy their ground operation genocide in Gaza.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:03 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Can someone give an update on the situation on the battlefield?.

    Germany wants a cease of fire.. it could potentially give the Ukie army a break to escape the siege.
    IF i was the Donetsk forces will not allow the terrorist organization of FBI to enter the place. They will
    go there to plant fake evidence and damage the investigation and or bribe investigators to not reveal anything.

    In any case proving a missile shoot it down will say nothing about who did it.. is like a pointless investigation.
    unless there was a bomb inside the plane.

    What I am trying to find out is if anybody here knows the answer to the following question.

    1- Has this false-flag exercise worked successfully to save the 4000 trapped Nazis from annihilation, or it hasn't?

    or putting it differently

    2- Has this Nazi-directed human-shield ("airliner-shield", here's a new term) exercise worked successfully to save the 4000 trapped Nazis from annihilation, or it hasn't?

    I am not interested in finding out who is responsible for this crime, because, by definition the Nazis and their handlers are the responsible parties, irrespective of who actually shot it down.

    Most probably the Nazis shot it down, but this fact is not relevant from a criminal responsibility point of view. Actually the MH17 pilots would be third in line, with respect to criminal responsibility, according to the following hierarchy:

    1- The handlers of the Nazi forces
    2- The Nazi forces
    3- The Malaysian Airline and the pilots (If I was the pilot, I would have refused to fly the altered route of 17/07/2014.)


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    Post  Firebird Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:40 am

    There's something rather disturbing potentially, as you identify Morpheus.

    The hohols use a Buk to shoot down the Malaysian jet. Then blame it on Russia/the Resistance.

    If the Resistance WERE using a single Buk, or Russia was using Buk to defend civillian areas from higher altitude Ukrainian Airforce attacks, they might now feel very uncomfortable using them.

    Surely the solution would be for Russia to now demand a no fly zone.
    And then let the Resistance finish off the junta in the southern cauldron.

    Or, have Russian special forces steal the Resistance a new Buk. One that can be proven to have never been used vs the Malaysian jet.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:44 am

    [quote="Morpheus Eberhardt"]
    Vann7 wrote:

    What I am trying to find out is if anybody here knows the answer to the following question.

    1- Has this false-flag exercise worked successfully to save the 4000 trapped Nazis from annihilation

    No idea if the false flag worked.. We need recent information  on the battlefield for what is happening. and more time .
    But i dont think killing 4,000 nazis will end the war .NATO can easily continue supplying Mercenaries and empty all european union and american jails ,train them as soldiers and send them to Ukraine to fight pro Indepence. Simply Ukraine and its NATO allies will never run short of soldiers.

    In the other hand if the European Union/Germany lost their patience with kiev junta , they can pressure kiev
    to start real negotiations for peace and threaten them to cancel their association agreement if they do not ie.. Federalization with full autonomy and local ars. And the liberation of 4,000 ukie soldiers by the Rebels could truly help them to send a message that negotiations are possible.  I guess we will need to wait and see.. To know if the false flag worked ,we will need to see what side the European Union will take.. if they will reverse the false flag and blame Ukraine for the attack or if they will side with the white house version that RUssia and Rebels are responsible and that needs to be isolated. If Russia manage to proof Ukraine shoot the plane.. it will be very bad news of Ukraine world image. and public opinions.

    Update..

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741414

    Well it appears the the European Union is not interested to close the case and blame Russia and the Rebels.
    They are not siding with Ukraine petition to blame them without an investigation. So until now is not good news for kiev. It remains now to be seen ,IF US gov will try to sabotage the investigation and blackmail OSCE and the EU to
    not blame kiev for the incident. Still is not all done.. THis pretty much looks like a repeat of the Chemical weapon attack of Syria .. US-France-UK and so called human rights watch wanted to sabotage the investigation with their own reports.. but in the end the independent investigation was objective and professionally made .. it helped to get the real authors of the chemical attacks ->the jihadist fighting the Syrian Government. All said ,Looks like kiev could be in trouble.. still more false flags attacks can happen to force the Investigators to abort their investigation.
    But again killing the 4,000 thousand Nazis will not make the Donetsk forces to win. Taking them prisoners however and respecting their lives ,taking their weapons and tanks for sure will be a major Blow to the miltiary operation.


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    Post  Regular Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:04 am

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1405676334
    Haha if You read Russian Very Happy Strelkov says that some passengers were dead for some days Very Happy Lol
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:14 am

    Regular wrote:http://rusvesna.su/news/1405676334
    Haha if You read Russian Very Happy Strelkov says that some passengers were dead for some days Very Happy Lol


    WOW.. that will truly will be a major scandal , and Super EXTREME FALSE FLAG .. LOL
    It will be interesting.. if such information is confirmed by the OSCE and Investigators. It will really destroy
    Ukraine and US too ,that have been blaming Russia from the start.

    I remember how i was saying , that Russia will have to be very careful with False Flags attacks ,
    was wondering when the US gov agencies will start them since the armed conflict began in the east...
    the malasyan plane is for sure a BIG ONE.. it will be interesting to see from which country the plane
    came.. thats where the bodies of death people had to be smuggled secretly in the plane.  Smile 
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    Post  Firebird Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:58 am



    And as I said before, 1st flight 17-7-97
    crash 17-7-2014 ie 17 yrs later.

    But there's more "coincidences"??

    Flight MH17

    And on 17-7-96 the TWA flight was shot down by military.. most likely, tho never admitted.
    And it was shot down at 17hr and 20mins Moscow time?
    Perhaps 17:17 was the intended time?

    Both the Ukraine and Malaysian Air have tridents. (And there are other strange instances of tridents, if you look around).
    And Malaysian Air has the same livery as Russia.

    And finally, this is REAL spooky shit, IF the upload date is real.
    ie why was this uploaded in MARCH!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y9NM7s71rw

    Finally, no idea what this 3hr link is about. Again, supposedly uploaded in March.

    I'm not normally one to delve into this stuff.. but nonetheless, I think you have to wonder and read between the lines a little.
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    Post  Firebird Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:26 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Regular wrote:http://rusvesna.su/news/1405676334
    Haha if You read Russian Very Happy Strelkov says that some passengers were dead for some days Very Happy Lol


    WOW.. that will truly will be a major scandal , and Super EXTREME FALSE FLAG .. LOL
    It will be interesting.. if such information is confirmed by the OSCE and Investigators. It will really destroy
    Ukraine and US too ,that have been blaming Russia from the start.

    I remember how i was saying , that Russia will have to be very careful with False Flags attacks ,
    was wondering when the US gov agencies will start them since the armed conflict began in the east...
    the malasyan plane is for sure a BIG ONE..  it will be interesting to see from which country the plane
    came.. thats where the bodies of death people had to be smuggled secretly in the plane.  Smile 

    OK we don't know if they actually were dead several days. Or whether Strelkov was misquoted. Or infact, that the sudden decompression and chill/whatever caused an effect.

    However, doing something like putting dead bodies on a plane is actually quite a shifty tactic.
    Because it sounds so ridiculous, it means anyone who told the truth would automatically become rather discredited and look rather silly... IN THE EYES of the devout believers in the US.

    Much like the idea the CIA/Bush etc would "never" lie about Iraq's so called WMDs.

    Clearly America wants Russia to be its lackey state. So America will do pretty much anything it fancies to try and achieve that aim. The situation is even more unstable than Cold War One. Because now America is very cocky and confident. It believes it can get a result without a nuclear exchange. Its also rather concerned about its own fading power, which is causing it to act even more bizarrely and brazenly.
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    Post  arpakola Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:30 am

    medo wrote:http://censor.net.ua/video_news/274823/ukraina_zaschischaet_donetsk_ot_napadeniya_rossii_zenitnoraketnye_kompleksy_buk_zanimayut_pozitsii_fotovideo


    The Situation in the Ukraine. #6 - Page 16 Ukbuk10

    Prove, that Novorussian army capture Ukrainian Buks. Ukrainian Buk-M1 number 312 was pictured in Gorlovka in Ukraine in March 2014 and below is a photo of the same Buk number 312 in Novorussian hands in Lugansk July 2014.

    we have to be carefull on what we reproduse

    do you realy beleave that if the seps had taken from Russia a BUK .. will let it aroud with the initial numbers and traffic plates?

    What realy this picture shows .. is an equipment on a truck .. in a unidentified place..

    No sep hands on it no Lugansk..
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    Post  arpakola Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:33 am

    http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=180039

    Indications that the U.S. Is Planning a Nuclear Attack Against Russia
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:09 am

    Can someone that knows Russian pleeeeeeeeeeeeease go to the following link and tell us what is happening in Novorossiya?

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-1589684
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:09 am

    arpakola wrote:http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=180039

    Indications that the U.S. Is Planning a Nuclear Attack Against Russia

    Is just psychological Propaganda .
    If ever US wants to do a first nuclear strike ,the media will be the last place to report it.
    What they want is to scare Russia and try to make them mistakes , ie.. like staying away of the Middle east and or
    Make Russia isolate itself again as they did in the cold war. What US aim is a economical war and try to Get Russia to increase its defense spending in hopes to collapse its economy.
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    Post  Firebird Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:41 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Can someone that knows Russian pleeeeeeeeeeeeease go to the following link and tell us what is happening in Novorossiya?

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-1589684

    The English version (a manual translation by them) follows a little while after.

    http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/

    Its worth using Google Chrome or another browser translator, as they are reasonably good these days.

    Basically, hohols have capitalised on the airline loss. They're conducting lots of strikes on Lugansk, not giving a fuck about war crimes and casualties.

    Personally, I hope the Resistance finish off all the southern cauldron, allow lots of hi tec to come in from across the border and start attacking places outside Donbass. Accelerate the hohols towards financial catastrophe. (This is me, family from Kiev saying this btw).

    ________________

    Does anyone have info of whether the airliner actually broke up in the sky?  I wonder if it just crashed by some shifty type of deactivation. It may have been easier to stage a false flag that way.

    Too many weird associations in that airliner incident for me..There's an interesting video of the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, openly talking about the number 7 and numerology, the Berlin Wall, Breton Woods and lots of other perculiar shit.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:14 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Can someone that knows Russian pleeeeeeeeeeeeease go to the following link and tell us what is happening in Novorossiya?

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-1589684

    The English version (a manual translation by them) follows a little while after.

    http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/

    Its worth using Google Chrome or another browser translator, as they are reasonably good these days.

    Basically, hohols have capitalised on the airline loss. They're conducting lots of strikes on Lugansk, not giving a fuck about war crimes and casualties.

    Personally, I hope the Resistance finish off all the southern cauldron, allow lots of hi tec to come in from across the border and start attacking places outside Donbass. Accelerate the hohols towards financial catastrophe. (This is me, family from Kiev saying this btw).

    ________________

    Does anyone have info of whether the airliner actually broke up in the sky?  I wonder if it just crashed by some shifty type of deactivation. It may have been easier to stage a false flag that way.

    Too many weird associations in that airliner incident for me..There's an interesting video of the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, openly talking about the number 7 and numerology, the Berlin Wall, Breton Woods and lots of other perculiar shit.

    Thanks for the English link.

    With respect to the false-flag (airliner-based human shield), I think it is the most probable that the Nazi handlers placed a bomb in the airline. The reasons are that this option is the most convenient and deterministic of their options.
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    Post  Firebird Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:25 pm

    No prob. The translations dont happen instantly tho.

    Another thing I remember, the Dutch "king" (so called monarchies are so pathetic!) actually gets on very well with Putin and Medvedev.

    While vermin like Obama were boycotting Sochi, the Dutch king was actually pictured drinking a beer with Putin with a lot of publicity.

    Ofcourse Bath house Barry Obama and friends didn't like that...!

    So Malaysia and Holland would be the natural choices for Bathhouse Barry to target.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:26 pm

    The typical mistake is to think with the terms of the last war. Nothing is the same anymore and stop being pessimistic you fucking sissies!
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:30 pm

    Update on the Spanish flight tower controller: FLASH UPDATE-Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca - twitter name/handle) as ATC at Borispol in Kiev...so it's confirmed the Spanish flight tower controller is the real deal and not a hoax, and it's confirmed that he has suspicions that the Ukrainian govt. was responsible for the Malaysian passenger plane disaster:

    UKRAINIAN MILLITARY ESCORTED B777 UNTIL 3 MINUTES BEFORE DISAPPEARING
    Ukraine air traffic controller suggests Kiev military shot down passenger plane

    ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

    This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

    The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

    Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

    Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

    Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

    Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

    According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

    The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

    Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

    ETN statement: The information in this article is not independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.

    http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-

    And for people who are in the dark about the deleted tweets by the Spanish flight tower controller:

    http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:12 pm

    American propaganda is in full swing. blaming Putin, saying Russia did it, etc. mp.net is in full anti russian mode and ukr saying about danger to world because of Russia.

    I mentioned that US killed 300 in 1988 when they shot down an Iranian airliner. They said it was a mistake. I mentioned about the hundreds they killed in drone strikes and call the innocent ones as collateral damage.

    Next time they do something again and calling it a mistake, I say we should protest.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:24 pm

    sepheronx wrote:American propaganda is in full swing. blaming Putin, saying Russia did it, etc. mp.net is in full anti russian mode and ukr saying about danger to world because of Russia.

    I mentioned that US killed 300 in 1988 when they shot down an Iranian airliner. They said it was a mistake. I mentioned about the hundreds they killed in drone strikes and call the innocent ones as collateral damage.

    Next time they do something again and calling it a mistake, I say we should protest.

    I'm also hearing about how they're claiming the Kremlin is editing wikipedia pages about the Malaysian passenger plane making themselves look good Rolling Eyes , and apparently another fake reporter was planted in RT studios with another staged quitting/protest, she's claiming RT "lies, lies, lies" to coverup the Kremlin and the Malaysian plane disaster Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes ...the other reporter who quit before her turned out to be a complete fraud and was connected to a myriad of neo-con think tanks, many of her claims were thoroughly discredited (like censoring Ron Paul on his thoughts about Ukraine, which Ron Paul has discredited that claim as non-sense). I wonder how they'll explain why Kiev ordered a No Fly Zone 11 days earlier( July 8th, 2014)! Laughing Razz Embarassed
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    Post  Strizh Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:54 pm

    sepheronx wrote:American propaganda is in full swing. blaming Putin, saying Russia did it, etc. mp.net is in full anti russian mode and ukr saying about danger to world because of Russia.

    I mentioned that US killed 300 in 1988 when they shot down an Iranian airliner. They said it was a mistake. I mentioned about the hundreds they killed in drone strikes and call the innocent ones as collateral damage.

    Next time they do something again and calling it a mistake, I say we should protest.

    Don't bother with the idiots on MP.net. It's war NATO vs Russia not a hot one but it's war. And the propaganda won't stop blaming Russia for everything.
    It doesn't matter what these idiots think. We really shouldn't give a fuck about their opinion.
    They are hypocrites. We should better support our guys and that's it. The enemies propaganda isn't anything what we should care about.

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