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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:34 pm

    http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/item/800-%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BB%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%AF-%CE%BC%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%BF%CF%86%CF%8C%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%B3%CE%BA%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%83%CE%B3%CE%BA
    Two Polish Brigates are fighting along side the Uks in Lugansk area
    according to the article 12 pcs of 152mm SpGH DANA are brought from Poland .. landed to Odessa 16th of July, are used by two Polish brigates of the regular army .. false flaged as mersenaries.. operating in Lugansk area

    Περιπλέκεται η κατάσταση ακόμα περισσότερο στην Ανατολική Ουκρανία ή Νέα Ρωσία όπως καλείται η περιοχή που έχουν ανακηρύξει ως ανεξάρτητη χώρα οι ρωσόφωνοι επαναστάτες, μετά την αποκάλυψη ότι έχουν αφιχθεί στην περιοχή και μάχονται ήδη, δύο Τάγματα Πολωνών στρατιωτών, οι επίσημα είναι μισθοφόροι, αλλά ανεπίσημα όλοι γνωρίζουν ότι είναι Πολωνοί στρατιωτικοί.

    Αλλωστε η μεν Πολωνία ουδέποτε φημιζόταν για τα μισθοφορικά της σώματα (με απλά λόγια ουδέποτε έχουν καταγραφεί Πολωνοί μισθοφόροι στο οποιοδήποτε μέτωπο) και είναι πρακτικά αδύνατον τόσο μεγάλος αριθμός προσωπικού να έχει εκπαιδευτεί εκ του μηδενός μέσα σε 3-4 μήνες που διαρκεί ο πόλεμος στην Ουκρανία

    Αρα επιβεβαιώνονται οι αρχικές πληροφορίες που ήθελαν μια μεγάλη δύναμη του πολωνικού Στρατού να αποβιβάζεται στην Οδησσό μαζί, μάλιστα με 12 αυτοκινούμενα πυροβόλα και σημαντικό αριθμό ΤΟΜΠ.

    Άρα πρόκειται για Πολωνούς στρατιωτικούς και πιθανότατα μέσα στις τάξεις τους βρίσκονται και στρατιωτικοί από τις βαλτικές δημοκρατίες.

    Το ότι η όλη επιχείρηση κατευθύνεται από το ΝΑΤΟ σε μία κλασική "μαύρη επιχείρηση", είναι αυτονόητο...

    Οι περίπου οκτακόσιοι Πολωνοί μισθοφόροι εντοπίστηκααν να μάχονται στο Lysychansk  ένα χωριό του Λουγκάνσκ.

    Η βοήθειά τους ήταν παραπάνω από καθοριστική ωστε να μπορέσει ο ουκρανικός Στρατός να καταλαβει το μέρος. Είναι η πρώτη φορά που μισθοφόροι χώρας του ΝΑΤΟ ενεπλάκησαν σε τέτοιους αριθμούς στο ουκρανικό μέτωπο.

    Για την άφιξή τους στην Ουκρανία υπήρχε πληροφόρηση εδώ και αρκετές μέρες. Στην αρχή τα ρωσόφωνα δίκτυα τους περιεγραφαν ως τακτική πολωνική ταξιαρχία, διότι αποβιβάσθηκαν στην Οδησσό στις 16 Ιουλίου μαζί με 12 πολωνικά αυτοκινούμενα πυροβόλα  των 152mm SpGH DANA αλλά και τεθωρακισμένα οχήματα.

    Αυτόπτες ρωσόφωνοι μάρτυρες της περιοχής είχαν δει στις στολές παραλλαγής και πολωνικές σημαίες, όπως και διακριτικά από την 1η πολωνική Ταξιαρχία Πυροβολικού.

    Αμέσως μετά την αποβίβαση άνδρες, πυροβόλα, και οχήματα κατευθύνθηκαν στο σιδηροδρομικό σταθμό, όπου και επιβιβάστηκαν σε τρένο που τους μετέφερε στην εμπόλεμη ζώνη του Λούγκανσκ, όπως αναφέρουν πληροφορίες των ρωσικών υπηρεσιών.

    Φυσικά επισήμως η πολωνική κυβέρνηση δεν έχει στείλει κανένα εκστρατευτικό σώμα, αλλά θεωρείται πολύ πιθανό στρατιωτικοί της Πολωνίας να έχουν εμπλακεί "ανεπίσημα" εναντίον των ρωσόφωνων, υπό την υποτιθέμενη ιδιότητα του μισθοφόρου.

    Σύμφωνα με το εκπρόσωπο των ρωσόφωνων, στο Lysychansk πολέμησαν περίπου 800 Πολωνοί με υποστήριξη πυροβολικού.
    Η συντονισμένη επίθεση των δύο πολωνικών Ταγμάτων σε συνδυασμό με την χρήση πυροβολικού, είχε ως αποτέλεσμα να υποχωρήσουν οι ρωσόφωνοι και  να οχυρωθούν σε μια δεύτερη γραμμή άμυτνας στην πόλη Τakhanov.

    Οι ρωσόφωνοι μεταδίδουν ότι η εισοδος των Ουκρανών και των Πολωνών στο χωριο Lysychansk ήταν μια "πύρρειος" νίκη που τους κοστισε τουλάχιστον 100 νεκρούς άντρες.

    Δεν αποκλείεται το αμέσως επόμενο χρονικό διάστημα να δούμε "μισθοφόρους" και από άλλες ΝΑΤΟϊκές χώρες που χρησιμοποιούν ανατολικής προέλευσης υλικό (για να μην "καρφώνονται") όπως οι Ρουμάνοι (πολύ γρήγορα ξέχασαν το 1 εκατ. νεκρούς που είχαν στην επίθεση κατά της Σοβιετικής Ενωσης...), οι Βούλγαροι, οι Τσέχοι κλπ.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:43 pm

    arpakola wrote:http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/item/800-%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BB%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%AF-%CE%BC%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%BF%CF%86%CF%8C%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%B3%CE%BA%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%83%CE%B3%CE%BA
    Two Polish Brigates are fighting along side the Uks in Lugansk area
    according to the article 12 pcs of 152mm SpGH DANA are brought from Poland .. landed to Odessa 16th of July, are used by two Polish brigates of the regular army .. false flaged as mersenaries..

    Περιπλέκεται η κατάσταση ακόμα περισσότερο στην Ανατολική Ουκρανία ή Νέα Ρωσία όπως καλείται η περιοχή που έχουν ανακηρύξει ως ανεξάρτητη χώρα οι ρωσόφωνοι επαναστάτες, μετά την αποκάλυψη ότι έχουν αφιχθεί στην περιοχή και μάχονται ήδη, δύο Τάγματα Πολωνών στρατιωτών, οι επίσημα είναι μισθοφόροι, αλλά ανεπίσημα όλοι γνωρίζουν ότι είναι Πολωνοί στρατιωτικοί.

    Αλλωστε η μεν Πολωνία ουδέποτε φημιζόταν για τα μισθοφορικά της σώματα (με απλά λόγια ουδέποτε έχουν καταγραφεί Πολωνοί μισθοφόροι στο οποιοδήποτε μέτωπο) και είναι πρακτικά αδύνατον τόσο μεγάλος αριθμός προσωπικού να έχει εκπαιδευτεί εκ του μηδενός μέσα σε 3-4 μήνες που διαρκεί ο πόλεμος στην Ουκρανία

    Αρα επιβεβαιώνονται οι αρχικές πληροφορίες που ήθελαν μια μεγάλη δύναμη του πολωνικού Στρατού να αποβιβάζεται στην Οδησσό μαζί, μάλιστα με 12 αυτοκινούμενα πυροβόλα και σημαντικό αριθμό ΤΟΜΠ.

    Άρα πρόκειται για Πολωνούς στρατιωτικούς και πιθανότατα μέσα στις τάξεις τους βρίσκονται και στρατιωτικοί από τις βαλτικές δημοκρατίες.

    Το ότι η όλη επιχείρηση κατευθύνεται από το ΝΑΤΟ σε μία κλασική "μαύρη επιχείρηση", είναι αυτονόητο...

    Οι περίπου οκτακόσιοι Πολωνοί μισθοφόροι εντοπίστηκααν να μάχονται στο Lysychansk  ένα χωριό του Λουγκάνσκ.

    Η βοήθειά τους ήταν παραπάνω από καθοριστική ωστε να μπορέσει ο ουκρανικός Στρατός να καταλαβει το μέρος. Είναι η πρώτη φορά που μισθοφόροι χώρας του ΝΑΤΟ ενεπλάκησαν σε τέτοιους αριθμούς στο ουκρανικό μέτωπο.

    Για την άφιξή τους στην Ουκρανία υπήρχε πληροφόρηση εδώ και αρκετές μέρες. Στην αρχή τα ρωσόφωνα δίκτυα τους περιεγραφαν ως τακτική πολωνική ταξιαρχία, διότι αποβιβάσθηκαν στην Οδησσό στις 16 Ιουλίου μαζί με 12 πολωνικά αυτοκινούμενα πυροβόλα  των 152mm SpGH DANA αλλά και τεθωρακισμένα οχήματα.

    Αυτόπτες ρωσόφωνοι μάρτυρες της περιοχής είχαν δει στις στολές παραλλαγής και πολωνικές σημαίες, όπως και διακριτικά από την 1η πολωνική Ταξιαρχία Πυροβολικού.

    Αμέσως μετά την αποβίβαση άνδρες, πυροβόλα, και οχήματα κατευθύνθηκαν στο σιδηροδρομικό σταθμό, όπου και επιβιβάστηκαν σε τρένο που τους μετέφερε στην εμπόλεμη ζώνη του Λούγκανσκ, όπως αναφέρουν πληροφορίες των ρωσικών υπηρεσιών.

    Φυσικά επισήμως η πολωνική κυβέρνηση δεν έχει στείλει κανένα εκστρατευτικό σώμα, αλλά θεωρείται πολύ πιθανό στρατιωτικοί της Πολωνίας να έχουν εμπλακεί "ανεπίσημα" εναντίον των ρωσόφωνων, υπό την υποτιθέμενη ιδιότητα του μισθοφόρου.

    Σύμφωνα με το εκπρόσωπο των ρωσόφωνων, στο Lysychansk πολέμησαν περίπου 800 Πολωνοί με υποστήριξη πυροβολικού.
    Η συντονισμένη επίθεση των δύο πολωνικών Ταγμάτων σε συνδυασμό με την χρήση πυροβολικού, είχε ως αποτέλεσμα να υποχωρήσουν οι ρωσόφωνοι και  να οχυρωθούν σε μια δεύτερη γραμμή άμυτνας στην πόλη Τakhanov.

    Οι ρωσόφωνοι μεταδίδουν ότι η εισοδος των Ουκρανών και των Πολωνών στο χωριο Lysychansk ήταν μια "πύρρειος" νίκη που τους κοστισε τουλάχιστον 100 νεκρούς άντρες.

    Δεν αποκλείεται το αμέσως επόμενο χρονικό διάστημα να δούμε "μισθοφόρους" και από άλλες ΝΑΤΟϊκές χώρες που χρησιμοποιούν ανατολικής προέλευσης υλικό (για να μην "καρφώνονται") όπως οι Ρουμάνοι (πολύ γρήγορα ξέχασαν το 1 εκατ. νεκρούς που είχαν στην επίθεση κατά της Σοβιετικής Ενωσης...), οι Βούλγαροι, οι Τσέχοι κλπ.

    How do we know if this is true?
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    Post  Firebird Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:49 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...

    No. It'll be won by Russia. Call it one step up from Belgrade Airport.
    Or maybe FIVE steps up. It would put a big smile on my face.

    These so called "Conservative" tossers in America, Britain, Australia etc really need to get a life.

    PS shouldn't Russia be sending troops. To protect the site from evidence falsification by hohols?
    If Holland or whoever things they can send troops vs the Resistance on that bullshit premise, they might as well all call WW3 today.

    Remember Yugoslavia and the line that NATO assured everyone it would never cross into E Europe.


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    Post  Regular Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:53 pm

    I will soubd harsh, but I really hope that if west sends SF they will be send back home same way as MH17 passangers. The only weapon I would give them would be brush. After their brush last shit whats left out if this plane they can get the fuck out. Idiots. They are really asking for russian intervention. call of duty generation
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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:59 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    arpakola wrote:http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/item/800-%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BB%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%AF-%CE%BC%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%BF%CF%86%CF%8C%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%B3%CE%BA%CE%AC%CE%BD%CF%83%CE%B3%CE%BA
    Two Polish Brigates are fighting along side the Uks in Lugansk area
    according to the article 12 pcs of 152mm SpGH DANA are brought from Poland .. landed to Odessa 16th of July, are used by two Polish brigates of the regular army .. false flaged as mersenaries..

    Περιπλέκεται η κατάσταση ακόμα περισσότερο στην Ανατολική Ουκρανία ή Νέα Ρωσία όπως καλείται η περιοχή που έχουν ανακηρύξει ως ανεξάρτητη χώρα οι ρωσόφωνοι επαναστάτες, μετά την αποκάλυψη ότι έχουν αφιχθεί στην περιοχή και μάχονται ήδη, δύο Τάγματα Πολωνών στρατιωτών, οι επίσημα είναι μισθοφόροι, αλλά ανεπίσημα όλοι γνωρίζουν ότι είναι Πολωνοί στρατιωτικοί.

    Αλλωστε η μεν Πολωνία ουδέποτε φημιζόταν για τα μισθοφορικά της σώματα (με απλά λόγια ουδέποτε έχουν καταγραφεί Πολωνοί μισθοφόροι στο οποιοδήποτε μέτωπο) και είναι πρακτικά αδύνατον τόσο μεγάλος αριθμός προσωπικού να έχει εκπαιδευτεί εκ του μηδενός μέσα σε 3-4 μήνες που διαρκεί ο πόλεμος στην Ουκρανία

    Αρα επιβεβαιώνονται οι αρχικές πληροφορίες που ήθελαν μια μεγάλη δύναμη του πολωνικού Στρατού να αποβιβάζεται στην Οδησσό μαζί, μάλιστα με 12 αυτοκινούμενα πυροβόλα και σημαντικό αριθμό ΤΟΜΠ.

    Άρα πρόκειται για Πολωνούς στρατιωτικούς και πιθανότατα μέσα στις τάξεις τους βρίσκονται και στρατιωτικοί από τις βαλτικές δημοκρατίες.

    Το ότι η όλη επιχείρηση κατευθύνεται από το ΝΑΤΟ σε μία κλασική "μαύρη επιχείρηση", είναι αυτονόητο...

    Οι περίπου οκτακόσιοι Πολωνοί μισθοφόροι εντοπίστηκααν να μάχονται στο Lysychansk  ένα χωριό του Λουγκάνσκ.

    Η βοήθειά τους ήταν παραπάνω από καθοριστική ωστε να μπορέσει ο ουκρανικός Στρατός να καταλαβει το μέρος. Είναι η πρώτη φορά που μισθοφόροι χώρας του ΝΑΤΟ ενεπλάκησαν σε τέτοιους αριθμούς στο ουκρανικό μέτωπο.

    Για την άφιξή τους στην Ουκρανία υπήρχε πληροφόρηση εδώ και αρκετές μέρες. Στην αρχή τα ρωσόφωνα δίκτυα τους περιεγραφαν ως τακτική πολωνική ταξιαρχία, διότι αποβιβάσθηκαν στην Οδησσό στις 16 Ιουλίου μαζί με 12 πολωνικά αυτοκινούμενα πυροβόλα  των 152mm SpGH DANA αλλά και τεθωρακισμένα οχήματα.

    Αυτόπτες ρωσόφωνοι μάρτυρες της περιοχής είχαν δει στις στολές παραλλαγής και πολωνικές σημαίες, όπως και διακριτικά από την 1η πολωνική Ταξιαρχία Πυροβολικού.

    Αμέσως μετά την αποβίβαση άνδρες, πυροβόλα, και οχήματα κατευθύνθηκαν στο σιδηροδρομικό σταθμό, όπου και επιβιβάστηκαν σε τρένο που τους μετέφερε στην εμπόλεμη ζώνη του Λούγκανσκ, όπως αναφέρουν πληροφορίες των ρωσικών υπηρεσιών.

    Φυσικά επισήμως η πολωνική κυβέρνηση δεν έχει στείλει κανένα εκστρατευτικό σώμα, αλλά θεωρείται πολύ πιθανό στρατιωτικοί της Πολωνίας να έχουν εμπλακεί "ανεπίσημα" εναντίον των ρωσόφωνων, υπό την υποτιθέμενη ιδιότητα του μισθοφόρου.

    Σύμφωνα με το εκπρόσωπο των ρωσόφωνων, στο Lysychansk πολέμησαν περίπου 800 Πολωνοί με υποστήριξη πυροβολικού.
    Η συντονισμένη επίθεση των δύο πολωνικών Ταγμάτων σε συνδυασμό με την χρήση πυροβολικού, είχε ως αποτέλεσμα να υποχωρήσουν οι ρωσόφωνοι και  να οχυρωθούν σε μια δεύτερη γραμμή άμυτνας στην πόλη Τakhanov.

    Οι ρωσόφωνοι μεταδίδουν ότι η εισοδος των Ουκρανών και των Πολωνών στο χωριο Lysychansk ήταν μια "πύρρειος" νίκη που τους κοστισε τουλάχιστον 100 νεκρούς άντρες.

    Δεν αποκλείεται το αμέσως επόμενο χρονικό διάστημα να δούμε "μισθοφόρους" και από άλλες ΝΑΤΟϊκές χώρες που χρησιμοποιούν ανατολικής προέλευσης υλικό (για να μην "καρφώνονται") όπως οι Ρουμάνοι (πολύ γρήγορα ξέχασαν το 1 εκατ. νεκρούς που είχαν στην επίθεση κατά της Σοβιετικής Ενωσης...), οι Βούλγαροι, οι Τσέχοι κλπ.

    How do we know if this is true?

    that the DANA come to Odessa is true (I have seen it again some time ago) . Seems Polish "dressed" as mersenaries come with it.
    The site copied from has 7th -12th visiting rate in greece..

    =====================
    same here >> http://www.zougla.gr/blog/article/1052001
    they are from the 1st Artilerry brigate
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #6 - Page 30 472834d1361688132-polish-artillery-badges-patches-shoulder-titles-etc-etc-naszywki-1a


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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:01 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...


    You have no idea what kind of poeple are the Russians.
    You think they are wheat smoking junkies with painted hair like the one you see in your boring country.
    This motherf@ckers prefer to die than turn around and fly.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:21 pm

    Regular wrote:I will soubd harsh, but I really hope that if west sends SF they will be send back home same way as MH17 passangers. The only weapon I would give them would be brush. After their brush last shit whats left out if this plane they can get the fuck out. Idiots. They are really asking for russian intervention.  call of duty generation

    You mean dead...
    Man, you're crazy.


    WHAT A SICK IDIOT
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:23 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...


    You have no idea what kind of poeple are the Russians.
    You think they are wheat smoking junkies with painted hair like the one you see in your boring country.
    This motherf@ckers prefer to die than turn around and fly.

    I was talking about the seps dude...
    No Russians present...

    And my country boring?
    Hahahahaha...

    You are getting crazier every day arent you?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:38 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Regular wrote:So Dutch hawks want to get more coffins trom Ukraine. Those idiots want military operation:/ I hope seps will flatten them with grads if their sf actually comes


    Hahahahahahaha not that seps will be able to do that  Laughing Laughing 
    Come on the seps are a laugh but they are winning because the ukrainian army are a bigger laugh Laughing Laughing 

    Yeah right, soldiers who were trained under harsh but effective Soviet methods (like the Ukrainian SSR veterans who make up a lot of the separtists) are not like the incompetent Afghan mujaheddin or the incompetent Saddam forces, there was no land invasion of Serbia for good reason and they're won't be one similarly here.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:44 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...


    You have no idea what kind of poeple are the Russians.
    You think they are wheat smoking junkies with painted hair like the one you see in your boring country.
    This motherf@ckers prefer to die than turn around and fly.

    I was talking about the seps dude...
    No Russians present...

    And my country boring?
    Hahahahaha...

    You are getting crazier every day arent you?

    Yeah, but they seem to be far more effective than your forces dealing with the Jihadists in Afghanistan. No offense, but our nations lost Afghanistan, to a bunch of rag tags. Only US media likes to say they "won" (Their version of winning is like how they claimed they won Vietnam. Killing more).
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:58 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...


    You have no idea what kind of poeple are the Russians.
    You think they are wheat smoking junkies with painted hair like the one you see in your boring country.
    This motherf@ckers prefer to die than turn around and fly.

    I was talking about the seps dude...
    No Russians present...

    And my country boring?
    Hahahahaha...

    You are getting crazier every day arent you?

    Yeah, but they seem to be far more effective than your forces dealing with the Jihadists in Afghanistan.  No offense, but our nations lost Afghanistan, to a bunch of rag tags.  Only US media likes to say they "won" (Their version of winning is like how they claimed they won Vietnam.  Killing more).

    Yes our countries screwed it in afghanistan totally agreed but i dont think seps are more effective then our forces, almost any military can take on the ukrainian forces.

    Our forces were one of the most succesfull in afghanistan read the book danger close...
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:08 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...


    You have no idea what kind of poeple are the Russians.
    You think they are wheat smoking junkies with painted hair like the one you see in your boring country.
    This motherf@ckers prefer to die than turn around and fly.

    I was talking about the seps dude...
    No Russians present...

    And my country boring?
    Hahahahaha...

    You are getting crazier every day arent you?

    Yeah, but they seem to be far more effective than your forces dealing with the Jihadists in Afghanistan.  No offense, but our nations lost Afghanistan, to a bunch of rag tags.  Only US media likes to say they "won" (Their version of winning is like how they claimed they won Vietnam.  Killing more).

    Yes our countries screwed it in afghanistan totally agreed but i dont think seps are more effective then our forces, almost any military can take on the ukrainian forces.

    Our forces were one of the most succesfull in afghanistan read the book danger close...

    Successful killing sheep herders? Nothing to be proud of. I am pretty certain that Soviet forces were more successful even with direct arms support from Washington, in holding out a country. When the soviets left, the Communists still ruled Afghanistan for a couple of years till Pakistan went all out and overthrew them in 1991. NATO forces are having to now negotiate with Taliban before pullout. I would say that they already lost while it took years afterwards for Soviets to lose.

    Sorry, but that does not sound like effective forces to me.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:13 pm

    Are we in debate of battleworthiness between Russians and the almighty fighting lions of the US puppet of....Holland??????????????
    My fucking goodness!!!!!!!!!!!! Go organize a gay parade for Christ sake!!! This is beyond trolling. The nation who is a total and eternal pushover.
    Just read history, you are a shame the world over!
    You cowardiced and submitted to EVERY SINGLE aggressor who attacked you country the last 5 centuries since Spanish occupation and you always became the most convenient puppet.
    Please give us a break!
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:29 pm

    That guy really sound like the COD generation, wanting war so badly because has such a big illusion of perception of russians being bad and evil and crappy in fighting like he knows from Hollywood russophobia video games.

    Pal, you are plain stupid, if NATO troops enter Ukraine, rebels have all right to kill them on sight. NATO needs approvement of Russia to enter Ukraine, if you are really that stupid to want a war between your netherland Special Forces who have never seen a war against a super nation then the first thing you will see is a damn SS-18 Satan flying central of Europe were the fucking American nukes are stationed in Rammstein and, trust me Holland won't survive.

    People like you are nuts, just armschair generals talking big, but are the first one to flee when bombs bring you back to reality.
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    Post  Regular Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:32 pm

    When I was training martial arts I've met plenty of dutch people. Really good at fighting and especially training. If that means something in this context. I assume Your troops are trained up to standard, but that's not the point. Nothing personal, I only got pissed of You euros sending your people to fight and die for NOTHING in foreign land. It's so wrong, it's an escalation.
    We are talking about arty raining from the sky and no matter how professional You are you will die. If you want to fight a war, bring something heavy.
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    Post  Regular Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:36 pm

    arpakola wrote:XΟΧΟΛ..
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    LOKH LOL!
    Arpakola, I see You are using Greek letters Very Happy They are more... visually pleasing than Russian cyrillic, but I can't read a damn thing. I bet You can read Russian though.


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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:36 pm

    No doesn't mean anything. Dynamic sports are still sports. In war you don't need to have good athletic skills but big balls and this doesn't take training,
    take culture and religion and history to fight for. Good point though.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:54 pm

    Geez, calm down guys.

    Although I have to disagree with our dutch friend comment too, but there's absolutely no need for resorting to personal insults.
    Regarding that SF deployment, military capability may not even matter that much.

    Remember, USA and USSR were the best militaries in their time, but still lost Vietnam and Afghanistan, respectively.


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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:00 pm

    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140725/191278046/Russian-Investigators-Come-Under-Targeted-Fire-from-Ukraine.html

    Oh boy, how nice. So it seems that Ukrainian forces are doing whatever it takes to Kill Russian people. I wonder how these other slavics were so easy to want to hate their own brethern?
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...


    You have no idea what kind of poeple are the Russians.
    You think they are wheat smoking junkies with painted hair like the one you see in your boring country.
    This motherf@ckers prefer to die than turn around and fly.

    I was talking about the seps dude...
    No Russians present...

    And my country boring?
    Hahahahaha...

    You are getting crazier every day arent you?

    Yeah, but they seem to be far more effective than your forces dealing with the Jihadists in Afghanistan.  No offense, but our nations lost Afghanistan, to a bunch of rag tags.  Only US media likes to say they "won" (Their version of winning is like how they claimed they won Vietnam.  Killing more).

    Yes our countries screwed it in afghanistan totally agreed but i dont think seps are more effective then our forces, almost any military can take on the ukrainian forces.

    Our forces were one of the most succesfull in afghanistan read the book danger close...

    Successful killing sheep herders?  Nothing to be proud of.  I am pretty certain that Soviet forces were more successful even with direct arms support from Washington, in holding out a country.  When the soviets left, the Communists still ruled Afghanistan for a couple of years till Pakistan went all out and overthrew them in 1991.  NATO forces are having to now negotiate with Taliban before pullout.  I would say that they already lost while it took years afterwards for Soviets to lose.

    Sorry, but that does not sound like effective forces to me.

    Killing sheep herders? Hahahaha no, busy hunting down exactly the same guys as the soviets did man.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:30 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:Geez, calm down guys.

    Although I have to disagree with our dutch friend comment too, but there's absolutely no need for resorting to personal insults.
    Regarding that SF deployment, military capability may not even matter that much.

    Remember, USA and USSR were the best militaries in their time, but still lost Vietnam and Afghanistan, respectively.

    Agreed
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:39 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:



    Russia needs to consult with the Rebels (just to make it look is not their decision) ,and pass the message that Rebels will not allow any armed military and that if they enter ,they will be arrested and if they use their weapons they will be killed. This have to be clearly told to them BEFORE they enter so they know the rules .
    And if the special forces manage to enter by helicopters using as human shields the investigators..as the bastards will do , they need to be ready to arrest them as soon they arrive ,at the crash site and ready to expect an fight
    ,but first they need to give warning shots so they drops their weapons.. Rebels will need to be supported by hundreds and by armored vehicles . This needs to be done as soon they land with armored vehicles backing them. then all the military Arrested and kicked from Ukraine.. and or at least all of them fully disarmed of any weapons and electronics and only allow a small group of a dozen.. to stay.. and the others kicked from Ukraine not allowed to stay.


    But the Special Forces will be in the hundreds aswell, and as soon as the separatists open fire ( warning shots aswell ) the special forces will open there fire and as soon as they know it will get tough they will probably call in some ukrainian military armoured vehicles and personnel and then you've got one hell of a fight that ultimately will NOT be won by the seps...


    You have no idea what kind of poeple are the Russians.
    You think they are wheat smoking junkies with painted hair like the one you see in your boring country.
    This motherf@ckers prefer to die than turn around and fly.

    I was talking about the seps dude...
    No Russians present...

    And my country boring?
    Hahahahaha...

    You are getting crazier every day arent you?

    Yeah, but they seem to be far more effective than your forces dealing with the Jihadists in Afghanistan.  No offense, but our nations lost Afghanistan, to a bunch of rag tags.  Only US media likes to say they "won" (Their version of winning is like how they claimed they won Vietnam.  Killing more).

    Yes our countries screwed it in afghanistan totally agreed but i dont think seps are more effective then our forces, almost any military can take on the ukrainian forces.

    Our forces were one of the most succesfull in afghanistan read the book danger close...

    Successful killing sheep herders?  Nothing to be proud of.  I am pretty certain that Soviet forces were more successful even with direct arms support from Washington, in holding out a country.  When the soviets left, the Communists still ruled Afghanistan for a couple of years till Pakistan went all out and overthrew them in 1991.  NATO forces are having to now negotiate with Taliban before pullout.  I would say that they already lost while it took years afterwards for Soviets to lose.

    Sorry, but that does not sound like effective forces to me.

    Killing sheep herders? Hahahaha no, busy hunting down exactly the same guys as the soviets did man.

    Except for this time, they are not armed by US with Stinger missiles. Food for thought.

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