The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

Ukranian and Russian love was eternal until dem Amerikuhns showed up

Amerikuhns seems to have a finger in every pie then it comes to supporting all kinds of "their bastards" or just "bastards" who isn't dirrectly opposing Amerikuhn's plans for the moment. Nice work of the DoS and CIA. Don't you agree with it? Even after the direct involvement of US politicans into the Maidan events?

there he is..



ASSOCIATION AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE EUROPEAN UNION AND ITS
MEMBER STATES, OF THE ONE PART, AND
UKRAINE, OF THE OTHER PART

http://kyivweekly.com.ua/files/EU%20Ukraine%20Association%20Agreement%20English. pdf

but .. look at him , Nigel that is..


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http://rt.com/news/168844-un-refugees-ukraine-russia/
UN: 110,000 people fled Ukraine to Russia this year

That blockpost near Slaviansk. destroyed UKR BTR

400 national guard kiev soldiers surrender to Donetsk republic..

there was a fight for 7 hours in a base ,when donetsk forces tried to capture it..
Perhaps this was the tank base? of last week?  the news is reported today however jun 27.
They all surrender to the Donetsk militants and no one was wounded    
The national guard all of them were allowed to return to their families according to the media..

http://actualidad.rt.com/ultima_hora/view/132278-milicia-donetsk-captura-guardia-nacional-ucrania


If this is confirmed ,something Big was there in that military base that so many soldiers had to protect it..
The information comes from Donetsk spokeman Serguéi Kavtarnadze. And news like this could have a significant impact
in the image of the rebels in all ukraine..and counter kiev propaganda that they are terrorist.. 400 soldiers liberated
without a scratch is not a small number.  The report also say the Donetsk forces now controls the military base.

Vann7 wrote:400 national guard kiev soldiers surrender to Donetsk republic..

there was a fight for 7 hours in a base ,when donetsk forces tried to capture it..
Perhaps this was the tank base? of last week?  the news is reported today however jun 27.
They all surrender to the Donetsk militants and no one was wounded    
The national guard all of them were allowed to return to their families according to the media..

http://actualidad.rt.com/ultima_hora/view/132278-milicia-donetsk-captura-guardia-nacional-ucrania


If this is confirmed ,something Big was there in that military base that so many soldiers had to protect it..
The information comes from Donetsk spokeman Serguéi Kavtarnadze. And news like this could have a significant impact
in the image of the rebels in all ukraine..and counter kiev propaganda that they are terrorist.. 400 soldiers liberated
without a scratch is not a small number.  The report also say the Donetsk forces now controls the military base.

What is more important here is the fact, that they get enough weapons to equip whole infantry battalion. I wonder if they also have armored vehicles in that base. They will well improve their mobility and defending positions.

How many ex-ukrainian MiG-29 planes are still in Crimea? Russian military and industry should repair them and upgrade them to SM or SMT standard and give them to Novorussia for their air force to protect against Ukrainian planes. They could easily give them 1 regiment of 24 MiGs. pilots could be volunteers, if Novorussia doesn't have them at the moment.

Does anyone know how many tanks and APCs etc Donbass has actually managed to get?
Were most of the tanks old and rusty? Or live, functioning ones?
A figure of 227 in one operation was quoted, which in fairness sounds ridiculously high.

To Kiev!... Show no mercy!

EU Gives Russia Three Days to De-Escalate Ukraine Crisis, Threatens Sanctions
BRUSSELS, June 27 (RIA Novosti) - The European Council on Friday said it would give Moscow three days to de-escalate the situation in Ukraine, or it will impose new sanctions against Russia, according to a statement published Friday....

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140627/190735548/EU-Gives-Russia-Three-Days-to-De-Escalate-Ukraine-Crisis.html

Ooh FFS.   

AlfaT8 wrote:

EU Gives Russia Three Days to De-Escalate Ukraine Crisis, Threatens Sanctions
BRUSSELS, June 27 (RIA Novosti) - The European Council on Friday said it would give Moscow three days to de-escalate the situation in Ukraine, or it will impose new sanctions against Russia, according to a statement published Friday....

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140627/190735548/EU-Gives-Russia-Three-Days-to-De-Escalate-Ukraine-Crisis.html

Ooh FFS.   

Like Russia gives a sh*t about those sanctions. These retarded "ultimatum" is just PR nonsense they will put sanctions in it no matter what. They know russia did nothing wrong and it is not russias fault, it was not russia that threatened to genocide eastern ukrainian russian speaking population, that is not russia that called for genocide on russians,germans and jews, it is not russia that started killing own citizens. Let them put sanctions and russia should ban entire metallurgy sector to make any trades with USA and EU, russia will not suffer from it, since Russia is almost a monopoly for high quality titanium,steel and other metals including precious metals, the US and EU will have to buy this stuff over China and other countries ending up buying russian metals anyway but paying higher price as 3rd line customer.

The EU is basically a puppet colony of US. They could care nothing about Ukraine , they simply paying mouth service to Kerry.
To give you an idea how much owned they are. Germany have about 370 tons of Gold in US banks. Thats the second largest gold reserve in world.US could easily for example freeze all that Gold that is more than a trillion in US $dollars if sanction germany. France too.. But if Russia gets Energy sanctions they can also retaliate . Germany alone will lose 400,000 jobs in their Auto industry if Russia cancel trading with them.. and this is not country the Energy business ,that russia can cut the gas to europe. in short Russia can dramatically damage the economy of Europe if they really want it. and if they coordinate with China even more.  In short the EU cannot sanction Russia without seriously damaging their economy. Look at France mistral warships for example.. Obama and US congress asked them to cancel it and they
could not do it ,for the billions in investment they have.

Post the financial crisis of 2008, Germany asked to repatriate a substantial amount of its gold held at the US Federal Reserve. A small amount (less than 10%) was returned, but the Fed then told Germany "no can do". In other words, sorry, you can't get your physical gold back ! Perhaps on reason the Fed has never allowed an independent audit of its gold reserves (something Ron Paul has advocated). Germany is still an occupied country 69 years after the war. As George Keenan stated, 'the purpose of NATO is to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down."

Asf wrote:

Ukranian and Russian love was eternal until dem Amerikuhns showed up

Amerikuhns seems to have a finger in every pie then it comes to supporting all kinds of "their bastards" or just "bastards" who isn't dirrectly opposing Amerikuhn's plans for the moment. Nice work of the DoS and CIA. Don't you agree with it? Even after the direct involvement of US politicans into the Maidan events?

Well the "World Police" stereotype does not come from nowhere.

But America aside, Russian and Ukrainian relations were sagging in any case.
The kind of vitriol I see on Russian forums towards Ukraine speaks volumes about it.

Nice pics   

TR1 wrote:
But America aside, Russian and Ukrainian relations were sagging in any case.
The kind of vitriol I see on Russian forums towards Ukraine speaks volumes about it.

20-30 million Russian's died fighting fascism during WW2, it's the 70th anniversary of "Operation Bagration" a pivotal operation that destroyed and expelled fascist forces from Eastern Europe, how dare Russian's sport St. George's ribbons and oppose the whitewashing of Stephan Bandera's legacy of fascist collaboration perpetuated by Western Ukrainians. We should just except and tolerate their extreme intolerance and bigotry of the backwards fringe right-wingers: Russian's should tolerate the backwards Neo-Nazi's from Western Ukraine, just like German's are supposed to tolerate the backwards Pan-Turk Islamists from Turkey, just like Americans are supposed to tolerate the backwards Neo-Confederates of the inbred "DEEP-SOUTH" that make up the majority of Neo-Conservatives, we should just censor ourselves. How dare we oppose that, and if we don't tolerate their intolerance than that makes us bigots!!!    

magnumcromagnon wrote:20-30 million Russian's died fighting fascism during WW2:

About 10 million people from various ethnicities of Soviet Russia died in WW2. Similar number is if we talk about ethnic Russians from entire USSR.

The conservatism of the "Deep South" in America does not correspond to neo-conservatism. Southern conservatives are social conservatives (gun control, abortion, ect). Neocons have little real interest in social issues. Neocons have co-opted the traditional patriotism of Southerners to serve their own imperialist and militaristic ambitions. Neocons control the Republican party in America from the top down via their wealth, domination of think tanks, and media holdings. They are constantly threatened by "bottom up" conservative populism such as Ron Paul. Neo-conservatism reduced to its elemental base is a intellectual movement based on the philosophy of Leo Strauss. Its founders were followers of Trotsky who rejected Marxism when Stalin defeated Trotsky and more importantly, switched from supporting the USSR to supporting the "West" after the founding of the state of Israel in 1947 when they perceived the overwhelming Jewish support of socialism to be a long term threat to Jewish group interests. As the USSR became more and more supportive of Arab states (culminating in the 1973 war), the neoconservative hatred for all things Soviet/Russian grew. The end of Détente and the formulation of the Brzezinski Afghan strategy in the 1970's actually began in the Ford administration. (Brzezinski is not a neo-con, he belongs to the other, actually more powerful, branch of the American foreign policy elite linked to the Anglo-American elite.)

3 mortar shells fall again in Rostov from Ukraine.
Clearly the CIA is trying to provoke Russia and Ukraine into a war..


http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/132373-ucrania-rusia-territorio

The projectiles were clearly not random but directly aimed at the Border security installation. IT will be a matter of time
a Cruise missile or a Ballistic missile will be fired on Russia , the CIA thugs can easily fire missiles to Russia acting as
"Ukrainians soldiers" in order to provoke Russia to invade.  What is happening is exactly what the Americans wanted..
To little by little start bombing Russia from Ukraine until civilians die. Russia needs to make sure to warn United states that any attack of Ukraine to Russia will be seen as an attack of United States and that they will retaliate to them directly.

Mark my words today is June 28 2014..
The "accidental" attacks from Ukraine will not stop until civilians or Russian border guards are killed inside of Russia and if they do nothing,it will get worse and they will start provocation with bigger weapons like a ballistic missile or Cruise missile will land in a Russian military base or Sochi or an antiship missile launched to a warship or a mine.. and later they claim.. Rebels did it or Ops.. sorry it wasn't our intention ..

Days later in the week another bigger attack will come or early the next one. Those attacks are not accidental and they are very well planned . All the eastern Ukraine is fill with CIA agents and other criminals from NATO countries advising the Ukraine national guard what to do. Or how to more effectively provoke Russia.  I don't think Russia can retreat from this war with Ukraine .The US congress controls Right Sector ,the only thing Russia can control is when they will fight and how..  If Russia does not not fully prepare ,for more mortar attacks ,people will be killed. and they will be the ones to blame.

Vann7 wrote:

3 mortar shells fall again in Rostov from Ukraine.
Clearly the CIA is trying to provoke Russia and Ukraine into a war..


http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/132373-ucrania-rusia-territorio

The projectiles were clearly not random but directly aimed at the Border security installation. IT will be a matter of time
a Cruise missile or a Ballistic missile will be fired on Russia , the CIA thugs can easily fire missiles to Russia acting as
"Ukrainians soldiers" in order to provoke Russia to invade.  What is happening is exactly what the Americans wanted..
To little by little start bombing Russia from Ukraine until civilians die. Russia needs to make sure to warn United states that any attack of Ukraine to Russia will be seen as an attack of United States and that they will retaliate to them directly.

All SSBNs should be send to North American continent and stay submerged for month, it is clear that they want and will put sanctions on russia, they are using american,israhelli,british and german terrorists under paramilitaries in Ukraine,attacking russian soil and they will push only further and harder.

I will repeat it again. Pardon one offence and you will encourage many more. Russia has to respond and it is time to lake them shake over there and use SSBNs until they stop this crap, and if they don't deploy nuclear weapons in south america, banning all metals to enter EU and US, sanction the shit out of those bastards that will hurt them, since Russia is almost a monopoly in lot of resources including metals.

Werewolf wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

3 mortar shells fall again in Rostov from Ukraine.
Clearly the CIA is trying to provoke Russia and Ukraine into a war..


http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/132373-ucrania-rusia-territorio

The projectiles were clearly not random but directly aimed at the Border security installation. IT will be a matter of time
a Cruise missile or a Ballistic missile will be fired on Russia , the CIA thugs can easily fire missiles to Russia acting as
"Ukrainians soldiers" in order to provoke Russia to invade.  What is happening is exactly what the Americans wanted..
To little by little start bombing Russia from Ukraine until civilians die. Russia needs to make sure to warn United states that any attack of Ukraine to Russia will be seen as an attack of United States and that they will retaliate to them directly.

All SSBNs should be send to North American continent and stay submerged for month, it is clear that they want and will put sanctions on russia, they are using american,israhelli,british and german terrorists under paramilitaries in Ukraine,attacking russian soil and they will push only further and harder.

I will repeat it again. Pardon one offence and you will encourage many more. Russia has to respond and it is time to lake them shake over there and use SSBNs until they stop this crap, and if they don't deploy nuclear weapons in south america, banning all metals to enter EU and US, sanction the shit out of those bastards that will hurt them, since Russia is almost a monopoly in lot of resources including metals.

One simple american warship sent to the button of the sea in Retaliation for an Ukraine major attack ,will be more than enough to Wake Up the Americans and Europe that Obama have long time ago crossed the line with provocations to Russia.. and either the EU will have 2 options.. Start a world war 3 in defense of Nazi actions bombing civilians in Ukraine or
Pressure Obama that if he doesnt stop its illegal war in Ukraine but also Syria that they will leave NATO and demand to remove all their military bases. And will Pressure Ukraine to end their war or they will cancel the association agreement.  The EU can pressure Ukraine a lot ,they cannot exist without any trade totally isolated and with only american support. When given the option to push for a world war with Russia or to Pressure Kiev.. im really sure the EU will pressure kiev. 

What is really important is that Mr. Putin in Moscow ,already have a very detalied plan of how to retaliate if forced to fight ,and warn US that they will be retaliated if a major attack on their land comes from Ukraine.

Vlad and Xi will not repeat the mistake of Hannibal and Adolf. They will take the extra 5 years to be certain... all the while WMD assure that Yankees will not make any stupidities.

Werewolf wrote:All SSBNs should be send to North American continent and stay submerged for month, it is clear that they want and will put sanctions on russia, they are using american,israhelli,british and german terrorists under paramilitaries in Ukraine,attacking russian soil and they will push only further and harder.

I will repeat it again. Pardon one offence and you will encourage many more. Russia has to respond and it is time to lake them shake over there and use SSBNs until they stop this crap, and if they don't deploy nuclear weapons in south america, banning all metals to enter EU and US, sanction the shit out of those bastards that will hurt them, since Russia is almost a monopoly in lot of resources including metals.

All Russian SSBNs can hit all of the continental US, and a lot more, from their own bases; they don't need to send them towards the US.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Werewolf wrote:All SSBNs should be send to North American continent and stay submerged for month, it is clear that they want and will put sanctions on russia, they are using american,israhelli,british and german terrorists under paramilitaries in Ukraine,attacking russian soil and they will push only further and harder.

I will repeat it again. Pardon one offence and you will encourage many more. Russia has to respond and it is time to lake them shake over there and use SSBNs until they stop this crap, and if they don't deploy nuclear weapons in south america, banning all metals to enter EU and US, sanction the shit out of those bastards that will hurt them, since Russia is almost a monopoly in lot of resources including metals.

All Russian SSBNs can hit all of the continental US, and a lot more, from their own bases; they don't need to send them towards the US.

I think you miss the point of SSBNs launching ICBMs from 8000km away and from 1000km or even 500km away.

I said this not for the goal to anihilate northern american continent but to waken up this retarded nation over there so they step back with this genocide or else there lot of things russia can do to damage USA in all, military,economical and mainly political the americans do that already good for themselfs.

I think you miss the point of SSBNs launching ICBMs from 8000km away and from 1000km or even 500km away.

I said this not for the goal to anihilate northern american continent but to waken up this retarded nation over there so they step back with this genocide or else there lot of things russia can do to damage USA in all, military,economical and mainly political the americans do that already good for themselfs.

Indeed.. is called Instant Visual deterrence . Like the difference between knowing someone have a sniper rifle and could use it against you
in case you have a conflict.. and have someone pointing a gun to your face.  There is a big difference. Both scenarios can kill you but one is ready to shoot and you know he can't miss ,and you have no idea if he will pull the trigger. Why i believe that Russia major investment in deterrence should be Mesosphere Space Bombers with hypersonic missiles and nuclear capable that could fly close to any country borders at any time without invading anyone territory. It will scare a lot any President doing a discourse in open air to know a plane is being positioned for an attack and can strike his location withing couple of minutes without any warning with conventional or nuclear missiles.

in more news..
So much for cease of fire by kiev.
Refugee bus from southeast Ukraine attacked near Donetsk, casualties reported

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_28/Bus-with-refugees-from-Ukraines-southeast-attacked-in-Donetsk-region-casualties-reported-9158/

Werewolf wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Werewolf wrote:All SSBNs should be send to North American continent and stay submerged for month, it is clear that they want and will put sanctions on russia, they are using american,israhelli,british and german terrorists under paramilitaries in Ukraine,attacking russian soil and they will push only further and harder.

I will repeat it again. Pardon one offence and you will encourage many more. Russia has to respond and it is time to lake them shake over there and use SSBNs until they stop this crap, and if they don't deploy nuclear weapons in south america, banning all metals to enter EU and US, sanction the shit out of those bastards that will hurt them, since Russia is almost a monopoly in lot of resources including metals.

All Russian SSBNs can hit all of the continental US, and a lot more, from their own bases; they don't need to send them towards the US.

I think you miss the point of SSBNs launching ICBMs from 8000km away and from 1000km or even 500km away.

I said this not for the goal to anihilate northern american continent but to waken up this retarded nation over there so they step back with this genocide or else there lot of things russia can do to damage USA in all, military,economical and mainly political the americans do that already good for themselfs.

But If the Russians wanted to "waken" whoever they wanted to "awaken", there are millions (this is an understatement) of better methods than sending SSBNs around.

If the Russians wanted to, a one-liner over the radio can lead into many countries immediately capitulating.

The "Americans" are fully aware of the Russian might. The reason the Russians don't take "tougher action" is obviously different from what the general public thinks of.