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    Post  medo Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:41 pm

    Vann7 wrote:3 mortar shells fall again in Rostov from Ukraine.
    Clearly the CIA is trying to provoke Russia and Ukraine into a war..


    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/132373-ucrania-rusia-territorio

    The projectiles were clearly not random but directly aimed at the Border security installation. IT will be a matter of time
    a Cruise missile or a Ballistic missile will be fired on Russia , the CIA thugs can easily fire missiles to Russia acting as
    "Ukrainians soldiers" in order to provoke Russia to invade.  What is happening is exactly what the Americans wanted..
    To little by little start bombing Russia from Ukraine until civilians die. Russia needs to make sure to warn United states that any attack of Ukraine to Russia will be seen as an attack of United States and that they will retaliate to them directly.

    Mark my words today is June 28 2014..
    The "accidental" attacks from Ukraine will not stop until civilians or Russian border guards are killed inside of Russia and if they do nothing,it will get worse and they will start provocation with bigger weapons like a ballistic missile or Cruise missile will land in a Russian military base or Sochi or an antiship missile launched to a warship or a mine.. and later they claim.. Rebels did it or Ops.. sorry it wasn't our intention ..

    Days later in the week another bigger attack will come or early the next one. Those attacks are not accidental and they are very well planned . All the eastern Ukraine is fill with CIA agents and other criminals from NATO countries advising the Ukraine national guard what to do. Or how to more effectively provoke Russia.  I don't think Russia can retreat from this war with Ukraine .The US congress controls Right Sector ,the only thing Russia can control is when they will fight and how..  If Russia does not not fully prepare ,for more mortar attacks ,people will be killed. and they will be the ones to blame.

    Russia should just "accidentally" send to Novorussia 50.000 AK-74 guns, PK machine guns, RPGs, 82mm and 120mm mortars, SPG-9, Fagot and Konkurs ATGMs and MANPADs to form 4 full infantry divisions, what will be enough to crash Ukrainian military in Donetsk and Lugansk republics.
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    No comments..  Laughing 




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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:01 pm

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    No comments..  Laughing 





    Sorry for of topic, but how that will improve Georgia in short time?
    I would only be cheering if I would be importer..
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:05 pm

    Russia will need to develop an Iron Dome like defense ,because those mortars will become more and more
    common. and it will be a matter of time civilians will end killed.How long Russia will wait to improve their security?
    No idea what is Russia waiting to develop better defenses for their homeland. that many people die? that a shell land in a refugee camp
    killing many children?

     A simple scheduled flights of SU-25s near Ukraine border will spot the place of any
    attack on Russian territory ,the source of it. Russia can legally bomb the location where they are fired to teach the Right Sector nazis that
    their actions will have consequences for them if shell Russian border
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:26 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    About 10 million people from various ethnicities of Soviet Russia died in WW2. Similar number is if we talk about ethnic Russians from entire USSR.

    The Soviet military is estimated to have lost about 11 million... not surprising... of the 6 odd million captured by the Germans only about 1.5 million survived captivity.
    Estimates range from 20 to about 27 million for Soviet civilian deaths.

    Generally the consensus for civilian casualties is around 14 million.

    27 Million is including civilian and military.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:52 am



    RT / truthseeker report does it again with a bomb of very good information of whats happening now in Ukraine..


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    Post  medo Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:21 pm

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1404041521

    В Донецке бойцы спецподразделения армии Донецкой народной республики захватили гарнизон ракетных войск, зенитно-ракетный полк ПВО № А-1402. На вооружении части стоят мощные системы противовоздушной обороны дальнего радиуса обнаружения и уничтожения воздушных целей.

    В пресс-службе ГУМВД Украины в Донецкой области подтвердили эту информацию: «В Донецке представители „ДНР“ захватили военную часть № А-1402».

    In Donetsk Novorussian armed forces capture Ukrainian air defense regiment A-1402, which was equipped with Buk-M1. I hope they will quickly get enough PVO specialists to form crews for their Buk regiment. This is important step to deny ukrainian air support for their troop.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:47 pm



    Deputy of the fascist parliament in Kiev ,talk about the justification of the killing of Putin..  Laughing 

    http://rt.com/news/169160-ukraine-mp-putin-kill/

    This is all a script. Their dislike for Russians can be genuine ,but the propaganda is all
    carefully planned from the US state department. All that people are paid to create Rusophobia in Ukraine.
    This is why all Ukraine media is fully controlled by the CIA propaganda ,and show on TV children singing songs
    about the killing of Russians. Simply the US gov only interest in Ukraine is to create a Hostile Nation in Ukraine towards Russia
    that can be used to sabotage Russia economy but provoke both nations into a fight.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:37 pm

    In all you are correct but the target. The target is to create a big buffer state in order to slow down the inevitable evasion of Eastern capital in Europe which will inevitably reshape the alliances accordingly with the desperate hope that in the meantime a miracle will happen and they will recover...
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:25 pm

    and the US congress and its euromaidan cronies  continue its pressure on Kiev to Provoke Russia into a war..

    http://rt.com/news/169240-ukraine-rally-ceasefire-martial/

    They have a big rally in support for war..  Laughing 

    Probably none of them have families fighting in Eastern Ukraine and will not be surprised
    i Bet none of those grandmas knows how an Iskander missile sounds when exploding in Kiev.  For sure 99% of those protesters not aware what they doing. They are simply paid to pressure kiev to push to solve the conflict with war.
    Ukrainians fascist are so desperate and poor that will demand for the killing of their own families if they are paid for it. lol
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    Post  arpakola Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:32 am

    Vann7 wrote:and the US congress and its euromaidan cronies  continue its pressure on Kiev to Provoke Russia into a war..

    http://rt.com/news/169240-ukraine-rally-ceasefire-martial/

    They have a big rally in support for war..  Laughing 

    Probably none of them have families fighting in Eastern Ukraine and will not be surprised
    i Bet none of those grandmas knows how an Iskander missile sounds when exploding in Kiev.  For sure 99% of those protesters not aware what they doing. They are simply paid to pressure kiev to push to solve the conflict with war.
    Ukrainians fascist are so desperate and poor that will demand for the killing of their own families if they are paid for it. lol

    See that in relation to the events in IRAQ , where US tries to get IRANIANS involved  on the ground, step in officially. Something big is under the surface..

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    Post  arpakola Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:06 pm

    Last word ‘camera’! Russian journalist killed in E. Ukraine working till dying breath
    Anatoly Klyan, 68, was fatally wounded in the stomach and died Sunday night.
    http://rt.com/news/169304-russian-cameraman-last-video/
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    in Greek media (blogs..)
    http://dimpenews.com/2014/06/30/%CE%B7%CF%81%CF%89%CE%B1%CF%83-%CF%86%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%83-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85-donetsk-%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B7%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%B9-%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%86%CF%85%CF%81%CF%84%CE%BF/

    http://www.thetoc.gr/diethni/article/an-oukrania-skotwthike-eikonoliptis-tis-rwsikis-tileorasis

    http://www.freepen.gr/2014/06/donetsk.html
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    http://www.bundesregierung.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/BPA/2014/06/2014-06-30-telefonat-merkel-hollande-poroschenko-putin.html
    Russia lets Ukrainian border guards to access Russian territory.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:05 pm

    Two very interesting reports that you need to see.. the first one is middle east but is connected with the second video that also covers Ukraine and you will see everything connected. US Neocons are in a full proxy world war against Russia , and they attacking their economical interest in the world in many places at the same time from middle east to Ukraine ,but also africa.

    US fighting alongside ISIS : american senator Rand Paul.




    ISIS The Start of World War III? David Icke


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    Post  zino Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:37 pm

    Regular wrote:http://www.bundesregierung.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/BPA/2014/06/2014-06-30-telefonat-merkel-hollande-poroschenko-putin.html
    Russia lets Ukrainian border guards to access Russian territory.

    A deal is done, it seems. Perhaps from now Russia will apply only economic pressure on the ukrainian regime in order to achieve the final crack. Don't sure if it will work.
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:14 am

    zino wrote:
    Regular wrote:http://www.bundesregierung.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/BPA/2014/06/2014-06-30-telefonat-merkel-hollande-poroschenko-putin.html
    Russia lets Ukrainian border guards to access Russian territory.

    A deal is done, it seems. Perhaps from now Russia will apply only economic pressure on the ukrainian regime in order to achieve the final crack. Don't sure if it will work.

    Don't think so.. Already LUkashenko the backstaver is saying he will not backup raise the taxes on Ukraine
    for any imports ,that if Russia wants to do any will have to do it alone.. Simply Belarus is again showing its preference ,to give Ukraine special preference even if they are part of the EU.. at the expense of any negative impact on Russia economy.. I will not be surprised if Belarus choose to reverse Gas to Ukraine allowing them to buy
    Gas from belarus directly and at the same price of Belarus without being part of their CIS trade block. In essence a sabotage to Russia energy sales.
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    Post  Regular Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:39 am

    Latest news. Poroshenko declared state of war. So it seems it's an endgame for separatists. 
    Wish them all the best.
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:31 am

    Regular wrote:Latest news. Poroshenko declared state of war. So it seems it's an endgame for separatists. 
    Wish them all the best.

    Not only that.. Poroshenko is resorting to Kerry full propaganda mode ,and saying they never attack Civilians and that they will kill all the terrorist that are "threatening the lives of civilians" in eastern Ukraine.. He went
    as far as saying that the association agreement signed with EU ,even proof that his actions in eastern ukraine are fully supported.  Shocked  The guy have turned totally insane.. and he have already launched a full declaration of war against the Rebels.

    http://rt.com/news/169512-ukraine-poroshenko-ceasefire-end/

    There is no way Russia can avoid war ,when Western Neocons controls kiev ,and a major genocide start of civilians.
    Kiev even have the intentions to deport ALL eastern Ukrainians ,that is millions to detection camps if they manage to take control of Donetsk and Lugansk and basically steal their properties .The US Government is totally
    out of control ,and will only increase its provocations against Russia. It will be a matter of time ,that is a week ,
    days or hours ,that Russia will be attacked and civilians will die inside Russia after another provocation.  I really hope that Putin Sanity prevails and he have defenses already in place to counter any other artillery attack inside
    Russia territory . Also to stop any genocide against civilians inside Ukraine.  

    Any news of whats new on the kiev forces? it was told of a major deployment of tanks and forces of kiev. And will not be surprised if they have new weapons or even use Sarin gas against civilians in Russian borders and later blame it on the rebels. NATO can literary have infinite supply of mercenaries to fight for a decade as "national guard" in eastern ukraine ,and empty all their Jails and get an army of millions if needed to overwhelm the rebels.
    I still feel that most of the EU is the only one that can stop a major world war and pressure Poroshenko to negotiate with the rebels if they threaten to cancel the association agreement if continue with the criminal war.


    edit. update..
    Hospitals in Slaviansk Ukraine Seeing Symptoms of Chlorine Poisoning  Laughing 

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140630/190763231/Hospitals-in-Slaviansk-Ukraine-Seeing-Symptoms-of-Chlorine.html

    All those things do not happens by accident without full knowledge of Pentagon and CIA advisors all over ukraine.
    They are fully determined to get Russia into a full scale war with Ukraine. Things to expect the Kiev junta will use are sarin gas and biological weapons too. and attack drones.

    IF i were in control in Russia ,will try to get an alliance withing the EU friendly governments full knowledge and invade with a thousands of former special forces from NATO countries all undercover and using NATO weapons. Perhaps using israeli Spike missiles and stinger missiles and javelins all that.. Russia offering to pay for the cost of the operation .later Russia cannot be blamed for supplying the Rebels with weapons. Wink  That will be funny indeed for Kerry and Poroshenko trying to find which NATO power betrayed them..and are arming the rebels.  Laughing


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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:15 am

    I don't know what you people have against Lukashenko, nothing let me think that he would be a backstabber.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:11 am

    Werewolf wrote:I don't know what you people have against Lukashenko, nothing let me think that he would be a backstabber.

    If he is stating they will have free trade with Ukraine even though it is not part of CIS anymore, then that goes against the CIS agreement as well as Eurasian Union. Which in that case, is a slap in Russia and Kazakhstans face thanks to Lukashenko. Is is probably scared shitless and is willing to now hand Belarus over in a silver plate.

    That being said, with Putin's cowardice, I expect he will be gone as I don't think Russian's are this retarded. He obviously is working against Russia by allowing a major buildup of an enemy next door, and allowing Anti-russian's to enter Russia to hunt their own people.

    In this case, you don't win by allowing yourself to be surrounded. That is just asking for a major problem and mass deaths. You are supposed to take the fight to them.
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    Post  Regular Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:39 am

    Werewolf, just follow his speaches and listen to his rhetorics. He is smootching with my country far too much lately too. Wait and You will see EU movements in his country..
    Not only he didn't recognize S.Osetia or Abkhasia, but now he is calling for death to separatists.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:30 am

    Well, regardless, Lukashenko will have to make a decisions eventually, as he cannot have free trade with both Eurasian Union and EU.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:11 am

    Regular wrote:Werewolf, just follow his speaches and listen to his rhetorics. He is smootching with my country far too much lately too. Wait and You will see EU movements in his country..
    Not only he didn't recognize S.Osetia or Abkhasia, but now he is calling for death to separatists.

    If you state for the video that was posted here before about one of his speeches, he said:

    Yes, kill the terrorists, but first make sure that you know which one are the terrorists, or else you end up killing your own people.

    That phrase was a give away of who is calling terrorists and who not.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:56 am

    How I see it, is that NATO is slowly splitting Russia up. After Ukraine, it will be Russia's other allies like Belarus and Kazakhstan, and after that, Russia itself. The Russian dominated territories will obviously stay with Russia, but they will try to split the Stan republics from Russia and create a divide in the country. Once Russian nation is separated as a whole, they will have a new problem on their hands. Pretty much, the only thing going for them is the the Russian territories are predominantly Russian. The republics? No. And those will be the next target. Russia standing by allowing this issue to happen is what will help create this divide. Yeah, Russia in the end will still be massive in scale and still have massive amount of resources, but not nearly the amount they had before and whatever power they did have, will be gone for good. No major country like Russia (only a smaller Russia) means 1 less major nation to contend to NATO.

    This is how I see it. Russia standing around and not supporting the Rebels I think is getting Belarus and Kazakhstan worried, so they are jumping ship because they know they are next on the list by NATO/USA/EU and thus will do what they can to suck up to the west.

    At this point, Russia's only real partner they can trust will end up being China and possibly India, as India faces the issue of growing despair in their country with other regions like Kashmir that will obviously be used as a tool to destabilize India so that India can never be a potential threat.

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