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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

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    Post  macedonian Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:42 am

    Ukraine's Poroshenko stops military cooperation with Russia
    Experts say halting military cooperation between the two countries would affect 79 Ukrainian and 859 Russian defense firms
    TASS wrote:KIEV, June 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has banned military cooperation with Russia in a move which experts said would affect 79 Ukrainian and 859 Russian defense firms.
    Parliament-appointed First Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema told ICTV on Monday evening that Poroshenko issued the order at a session of the Council of National Security and Defense earlier in the day. "From that day on, we practically ceased any cooperation in the military-industrial sphere with the Russian Federation," he said.
    Yarema reminded that earlier parliament-appointed Verkhovna Rada Speaker Oleksadnr Turchynov had signed the decree ordering to stop military cooperation with Russia and supplies of weapons to Russia. However, the document allowed cooperation in the production of dual-purpose goods such as helicopter engines.

    Russia should reply in kind, and ban just about all products from Ukraine, but bear in mind not to hurt the Rusophile population.
    Just ban everything that comes from the west of the country, and from oligarchs' companies (which is...well...almost everything).
    Targeted sanctions, similar to what the west introduced on Russia, to SERIOUSLY hurt the oligarchs. See how much of their substandard sh/t their 'Erupean' and American sponsors are willing to import...
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    Post  collegeboy16 Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:52 am

    macedonian wrote:
    Russia should reply in kind, and ban just about all products from Ukraine, but bear in mind not to hurt the Rusophile population.
    Just ban everything that comes from the west of the country, and from oligarchs' companies (which is...well...almost everything).
    Targeted sanctions, similar to what the west introduced on Russia, to SERIOUSLY hurt the oligarchs. See how much of their substandard sh/t their 'Erupean' and American sponsors are willing to import...
    id say ban em all- even anything from the east.
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    Post  macedonian Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:00 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:id say ban em all- even anything from the east.
    That would be a bad PR move.
    Ukie media is probably waiting for something like that to happen, drooling over the endless possibility to demonize Russia even further among the pro-Russians in the east. Remember they've also got the endless support of the whole western propaganda machine (otherwise known as Mainstream Media).
    No, better stick to targeted sanctions for now.
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    Post  fragmachine Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:46 am

    First, Russia shouldn't give a  censored what west think about their decisions and send peacekeeping forces. Ideally these forces should consist of not only Russian nationals but Iran, India, China, and some countries of South America to show the west how things stand.
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    Post  arpakola Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:54 am

    oh dear ..
    http://www.unn.com.ua/ru/news/1354595-pivdenniy-potik-superechit-interesam-ukrayini-posol-ukrayini-v-bolgariyi

    Ukrainian Ambassador to Bulgaria: South Stream pipeline demeans Ukraine's national interests:

    "Южный поток" противоречит интересам Украины - Посол Украины в Болгарии

    КИЕВ. 16 июня. УНН. Реализация проекта "Южный поток" однозначно противоречит национальным интересам Украины. Об этом в эфире "БНР" заявил посол Украины в Болгарии Николай Балтажи, передает УНН.
    "У нас есть огромные сомнения в том, что газопровод реализуется по европейским правилам и в том, что этот проект поможет энергетической безопасности Европы. Он лишь усилит позицию "Газпрома", но вряд ли после реализации проекта Европа и ее энергетическая безопасность станут сильнее. Мы обратились к Европейской комиссии с просьбой остановить его", - заявил М.Балтажи.

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    geting better all the time... Exclamation 
    VIDEO - children riding bicycles in Kiev on June 16, 2014.
    Singiderogatory ng "Putin is a cocksucker! Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!"


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    Post  Asf Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:57 am

    If I was Putin, I'd bomb ukraininan forces in the South-East and retreat ("no-fly, no-arty, no-Grad zone"). But I'm not Putin. Who knows about his agenda.

    Does anyone knows about russian forces movements near Ukraine borders started several days ago? There were videos. Is there any news about it? US and Ukraine seems to be too quiet about it
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    Post  arpakola Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:28 am

    Asf wrote:If I was Putin, I'd bomb ukraininan forces in the South-East and retreat ("no-fly, no-arty, no-Grad zone"). But I'm not Putin. Who knows about his agenda.

    Does anyone knows about russian forces movements near Ukraine borders started several days ago? There were videos. Is there any news about it? US and Ukraine seems to be too quiet about it

    I guess the idea is:

    let the rabies kill the dog.. as is a dead dog walking already
    or..

    let the testosterone and other hormones that are in saturation at the moment in Ukranian sosciety be consumed.. so they might understand the real situation..
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:31 am

    arpakola wrote:oh dear ..
    http://www.unn.com.ua/ru/news/1354595-pivdenniy-potik-superechit-interesam-ukrayini-posol-ukrayini-v-bolgariyi

    Ukrainian Ambassador to Bulgaria: South Stream pipeline demeans Ukraine's national interests:

    "Южный поток" противоречит интересам Украины - Посол Украины в Болгарии

    КИЕВ. 16 июня. УНН. Реализация проекта "Южный поток" однозначно противоречит национальным интересам Украины. Об этом в эфире "БНР" заявил посол Украины в Болгарии Николай Балтажи, передает УНН.
    "У нас есть огромные сомнения в том, что газопровод реализуется по европейским правилам и в том, что этот проект поможет энергетической безопасности Европы. Он лишь усилит позицию "Газпрома", но вряд ли после реализации проекта Европа и ее энергетическая безопасность станут сильнее. Мы обратились к Европейской комиссии с просьбой остановить его", - заявил М.Балтажи.

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    VIDEO - children riding bicycles in Kiev on June 16, 2014.
    Singiderogatory ng "Putin is a cocksucker! Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!"

    Simply US regime and its Mafia allies ,since the collapse of Soviet Union and even earlier ,spend millions of Euros and american dollars
    to brainwash Ukrainians through media ,Education System ,Radio ,Sport events,newspapers ,talkshows ,Schools  etc.. to makes Ukrainians believe lies about Russia and when they grow older . They also have programs to promote Nazis.. Simply US depends on Rusophobia propaganda to keep NATO and the EU alive ,that is not as united as people will think. And apparently they had a program like that in Crimea ,to "Educate" Russians in Crimea about what's the right way to think for them..and turn them into zombies.. Such propaganda is even starting to show in video games.in the west.  Laughing  games like from american developers like DICE ? have you Played Battlefield 4?

    here is the Rusophibic expansion pack..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X8oGy4G7tM

    Notice in that game how the US soldiers in a fantasy world are the saviors of the planet and Russia but also China the axis of Evil
    that needs to be stopped. thats the way the brainwashing programs works ,repetition until propaganda until they believe it. I really don't care is a game..but is getting boring already their propaganda.  the Chinaphobic expansion pack.. is called CHina Rising.. and guess what in their previous game Battlefield 3.. IRAN was the enemy.. and American forces had to invade IRAN to "SAve the world" . Wink
    Thats is propaganda day ,propaganda midday ,propaganda at night ,for all society on TV ,music ,media and video games.  Wink  

    You for example never see any American video games or European ones demonizing Saudi Arabia ,kuwait ,bahrain or Turkey or israel..that are very very repressive countries with a never ending list of abuses and human rights no?  real dictatorships many of them  Wink  yet not surprisingly Russia ,China and IRAN are the world evils in western fantasy world.  Is like the NEocons have infiltrated all their poisonous propaganda in every part of society ,even in children book.. yes not kidding..  In Ukraine is even more extreme.. the children in schools are told songs to call for the killings of Russians..and later those songs are repeated day and night in Ukraine TV programming.. In short Ukrainians are extremely brainwashed society and don't know how they are being manipulated  their lives..


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    Post  Regular Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:46 am

    Haha. You guys are golden. What proof do You need? Existance of NATO should be hint for You. So tell me what you think of expansion NATO right next to Russian borders, ABM shields, civil wars in Russian friendly countries and new US bases popping up. How does Russia counter it?

    Russia is on it's own. Enough of delussion about 'allies' like China or Iran. China would win if they would stay neutral.
    And here we have US troops in close vicinity to Russia, their numbers are being bolstered. They have plenty of cannon fodder from Lithuania to Portugal. Plus the ocean and most powerfull navy as well. You can say that Russia does have most advanced strategical and tactical weapons, but they are last resort weapons. Who has an upper hand in Ukraine? Is it Russia who has to watch it's brothers turned against them?
    Or US who are safe from any repricussions and still have full control of Ukraine and even EU?
    I really want to hear your faux patriotic reasoning on this.
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    Post  Regular Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:56 am

    Asf wrote:If I was Putin, I'd bomb ukraininan forces in the South-East and retreat ("no-fly, no-arty, no-Grad zone"). But I'm not Putin. Who knows about his agenda.

    Does anyone knows about russian forces movements near Ukraine borders started several days ago? There were videos. Is there any news about it? US and Ukraine seems to be too quiet about it
    What we seen on videos was mostly light equipment and logistics and few pantsirs. Probably used to reinforce border guards so no ukr jet or bmp will cross the border. Lets not forget about refugees comming to Russia. Army might help to keep peace and order.
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    Post  arpakola Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:02 pm

    Regular wrote:Haha. You guys are golden. What proof do You need? Existance of NATO should be hint for You. So tell me what you think of expansion NATO right next to Russian borders, ABM shields, civil wars in Russian friendly countries and new US bases popping up. How does Russia counter it?

    Russia is on it's own. Enough of delussion about 'allies' like China or Iran. China would win if they would stay neutral.
    And here we have US troops in close vicinity to Russia, their numbers are being bolstered. They have plenty of cannon fodder from Lithuania to Portugal. Plus the ocean and most powerfull navy as well. You can say that Russia does have most advanced strategical and tactical weapons, but they are last resort weapons. Who has an upper hand in Ukraine? Is it Russia who has to watch it's brothers turned against them?
    Or US who are safe from any repricussions and still have full control of Ukraine and even EU?
    I really want to hear your faux patriotic reasoning on this.

    oh well.
    You are right on the point that Russian have to realise how sheet is all this west- friendship policies and start looking where their real interest is . That is IRAN and China.
    As for Europe .. they have now to deal with this Ukranian black hole .. they must forget Donbass sooner or later , perhaps also Odessa. ( http://www.novostimira.com.ua/news_102296.html  where the bad news come one after the other..) And never forget .. colour revolution come both ways.. look what happened in IRAQ ..
    In Europe that is EU .. the nightmares are in front of them and are called "THE RISING OF NATIONALISMS" ..
    a tendancy opossite to the so called integration , as the only integration managed so far is the integration of  Brussels  bureaucrats with their FAT salaries
    As for US.. still keeping strong , but only as far as  world markets insist to buy the printouts  of their printing machines..  Very Happy 

    wiki wrote: Payment and privileges[edit]
    .. the European Parliament is expensive, not least because of the costs of translating documents and interpreting debates into 21 languages. Thus, the 2009 budget of the parliament accounts a yearly total cost of more than 1 Mil Eur per member of parliament.[need quotation to verify] and the total cost of the parliament adds up to approximately 1.5 billion euros per year. ....
    Salary
    Until 2009, MEPs were paid (by their own Member State) exactly the same salary as a member of the lower House of their own national parliament. As a result, there was a wide range of salaries in the European Parliament. In 2002, Italian MEPs earned €130,000, while Spanish MEPs earned less than a quarter of that at €32,000. However, in July 2005, the Council agreed to a single statute for all MEPs, following a proposal by the Parliament. Thus, since the 2009 elections, all MEPs receive a basic yearly salary of 38.5% of a European Court judge's salary – being around €84,000. This represents a pay-cut for MEPs from some member states (e.g. Italy, Germany, and Austria), a rise for others (particularly the low-paid eastern European Members) and status quo for those from the United Kingdom (depending on the euro-pound exchange rate). The much-criticised expenses arrangements were also partially reformed.[13]  
    note in the margin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary
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    http://www.novostimira.com.ua/news_100846.html
    «Укроборонпром» будет снабжать украинскую армию


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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:20 pm

    Regular wrote:Haha. You guys are golden. What proof do You need? Existance of NATO should be hint for You. So tell me what you think of expansion NATO right next to Russian borders, ABM shields, civil wars in Russian friendly countries and new US bases popping up. How does Russia counter it?

    Russia is on it's own. Enough of delussion about 'allies' like China or Iran. China would win if they would stay neutral.
    And here we have US troops in close vicinity to Russia, their numbers are being bolstered. They have plenty of cannon fodder from Lithuania to Portugal. Plus the ocean and most powerfull navy as well. You can say that Russia does have most advanced strategical and tactical weapons, but they are last resort weapons. Who has an upper hand in Ukraine? Is it Russia who has to watch it's brothers turned against them?
    Or US who are safe from any repricussions and still have full control of Ukraine and even EU?
    I really want to hear your faux patriotic reasoning on this.

    Your assumption is that Russia will never take the fight directly to the hands who provoked the Fight.. if For example Russia says that
    if they are forced to enter Ukraine to protect civilians and NATO continue supplying weapons to the Nazis ,then Russia will take directly
    the fight against them .  so your cannon fodder theory will not work . Taking the fight to the real authors will solve everything and as soon 1-2 american aegis warships destroyed you will see how the world will shake , and the American Myth of invulnerability will end forever ..and they will have two options.. to retaliate and receive a bigger counter retaliation and bigger humiliation,all after they were the ones who provoked Russia into a war from the start.. or negotiate for peace and avoid a major catastrophe . Since Public opinion will NOT be on the side of the Nobel peace Price winner Obama ,the pressure will be on him to stop provoking a very dangerous fight with Russia and to stop supporting Nazis killing civilians in Ukraine. So 99% of the world minus israel and Alqaeda will pressure Obama to STOP and negotiate for peace.  Russia alone have the capabilities to destroy all US and NATO countries in a day.. so you cannot dismiss Russia so easily.  All that is necessary for a Nuclear war to start.. is a miscalculation from NATO ,on Russia reactions and patience. They already warned with a nuclear strike.. that is all their major leaders ,in more than one time . taking not seriously their warnings will be a mistake.

    My strong believe is that NATO is weak as hell. Not in military capabilities but in unity . You already saw that in the Syrian war.. where almost noone of NATO formed in line to attack Syria after kerry gave a tour in the EU ,when Russia had the warships there . The probabilities that Greek will fight on the side of turkey are zero..most likely they will fight on Russian side in a world war. Spain on the side of Britain ..? not going to happen. same with Bulgaria. NATO Is an interest alliance that only exist for the money benefits they receive ,not because all Europeans love each others. There too many rivals there , to believe NATO is a real alliance and that half of them will fight Russia. Not a chance.. in case Russia warns with a nuclear war. if NATO continues cross a line .what you will see is a United States isolated without friends. And the reason is simple.. Not many european nations will Risk being Nuked by Russia if something goes wrong ,all that for the defense of a NAZI Government in Ukraine that are killing indiscriminately civilians womens and children. I assure you , at the first Sign
    that the war is imminent between US and RUssia..the EU will retreat. and only crazy nations like Israel and saudi arabia could remain. But in the case of Israel is not 100% sure.. they blinked in the last minute too ,and welcomed the Offer of they retreat from Russia in change for Syria giving its chemical weapons.  So in the case of Ukraine is not worth to risk a nuclear war with RUssia for the defense of Subhumans killing civilians in Ukraine.


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    Post  etaepsilonk Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:28 pm

    Good news, looks like the rebels now have access to potentially one of the best weapons for this conflict in terms of cost effectiveness, SPG-9 recoiless rifle  Twisted Evil 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCyhfM4H6dU&feature=player_detailpage#t=58
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:02 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:Good news, looks like the rebels now have access to potentially one of the best weapons for this conflict in terms of cost effectiveness, SPG-9 recoiless rifle  Twisted Evil 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCyhfM4H6dU&feature=player_detailpage#t=58

    Interesting.. there are some projectiles (FRAG-HE) apparently from 4km to 6.5km range and tadem warheads up to 550m.
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    Post  collegeboy16 Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:04 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:Good news, looks like the rebels now have access to potentially one of the best weapons for this conflict in terms of cost effectiveness, SPG-9 recoiless rifle  Twisted Evil 
    wont help much- disparity in firepower, esp. heavy weapons is too much.
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    Post  Regular Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:43 pm

    @arpakola
    You are right. Russia has to focus on BRICS countries.
    And about EU helping Ukraine, I really doubt it. EU official recently said that financial 'help' for Your country, Greece is nothing compared how much Ukraine needs. And he said that it would take 15 years and multibillion packages to put Ukraine back on it's feet.
    EU will leave Ukraine to rot next to Russian border. They will give them symbolic amount and tons of promises. US will send money to keep their vassal country barely excisting. And Ukrainians will still blame Russia for everything.
    Sorry for oft, but what will happen to Your country if EU goes tits up?
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    Post  macedonian Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:50 pm

    Some more 'democracy' and 'human rights'.
    Zvezda TV crew freed after harsh interrogation, ransom demands by Ukraine radicals
    RT wrote:Reporters from Russia's Zvezda TV channel have been freed from captivity in Ukraine, where Right Sector fighters detained, interrogated, and beat them for ransom. Risking their lives, they didn’t turn off their phones, which was crucial for their release.
    A plane carrying Evgeny Davydov and Nikita Konashenkov landed at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport at 15:44 GMT on Monday. A few hours before their arrival in the Russian capital, the two journalists were handed over to Russian naval attaché Eduard Belashev in the city of Dnepropetrovsk.
    The journalists spent two days in captivity, and were subjected to long questioning, intimidation, and beatings.
    Recent images of the two men show the areas around their eyes covered in bruises.
    Their colleagues say that Davydov has complained of pain in his ear and partial hearing loss.

    Ain't that grand?!
    But, wait - there's more:

    Breaking news:Russian journalist dies in hospital after E.Ukraine shelling – doctor
    RT wrote:Russian journalist Igor Kornelyuk, who was earlier wounded in a shelling attack near Lugansk, has succumbed to his injuries and passed away on the operating table, a doctor at the hospital told RT.
    DETAILS TO FOLLOW

    Not a BLEEP about it in the 'western' press.

    Now, I'd like to add a personal note here: Some time ago, I lived in a few 'Western' countries. Actually, I've spent half my life in 'The West'. But after seeing their hypocrisy and double standards, I decided that I'll never make it there without compromising my integrity. Well, to be absolutely honest I often got quite homesick too...see this Balkans place might be the garbage pit of Europe full of uncivilized Slavs, but I'm part of that garbage. And you know...I am CERTAINLY GLAD to be...If that's your civility, and democracy, I say: 'I'm happy to be the contrast of it'!
    So, there's one thing that me and that b/tch that goes by the name of Nuland actually share...and that 'd be the FUCK THE EU sentiment!
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    Post  arpakola Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:15 pm

    Regular wrote:@arpakola
    You are right. Russia has to focus on BRICS countries.
    And about EU helping Ukraine, I really doubt it. EU official recently said that financial 'help' for Your country, Greece is nothing compared how much Ukraine needs. And he said that it would take 15 years and multibillion packages to put Ukraine back on it's feet.
    EU will leave Ukraine to rot next to Russian border. They will give them symbolic amount and tons of promises. US will send money to keep their vassal country barely excisting. And Ukrainians will still blame Russia for everything.
    Sorry for oft, but what will happen to Your country if EU goes tits up?

    oh well .. we are a nightmare for EU..
    look at this .. (dont under estimate our debt..well above 300B euro !!) Very Happy 
    You see that the % το GDP runs up just after 2004 (Athens Olympic)
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    now as for Ukraine .. after the first enthousiasm calms down and testosterone falls .. will see the results. US are trying to establish an iron wall btwn UKR and RF , by forcing the Russians to invate. Its a game of patience Ι guess..

    EU citizens are not in agood mood to spend their savings in Ukraine
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    (now if EU goes  tits up .. we will stop paying our debt .. that is default and back to Drahma
    but what happens now with Syriza is that we will demand for 70% haircut or something similar) Off Topic
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    Post  arpakola Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:55 pm

    Two journalists for Russian TV channel Rossiya have died from wounds sustained during a Ukrainian military shelling attack near Lugansk, eastern Ukraine. Reporter Igor Kornelyuk passed away on the operating table, a doctor at the hospital confirmed to RT.

    Moment Ukraine army shell hits Russian TV crew caught on tape (VIDEO)

    The doctor told RT that "sadly, he has passed away."

    Just minutes ago Kornelyuk, a reporter for the Russian channel Rossiya, was in critical condition and had been receiving phone calls from Moscow. The attending doctor, however, had been answering his calls.

    The second alleged victim is sound engineer Anton Voloshin. He reportedly died immediately at the scene.

    The Rossiya channel crew consisted of three people with only one of them, Viktor Denisov, the cameraman, surviving the Ukrainian military shelling.

    Denisov told LifeNews how he managed to get out of harm’s way during the attack that claimed his colleague’s life.

    The cameraman said he was standing 100 meters from the spot where the mortar exploded.

    “I must say I was really lucky, I’d walked toward our cars, about 100 meters away, and that’s when the shelling started. My colleagues were supposed to have been out of the range of fire, but for some reason one of the shells flew straight into them,” Denisov said.
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    Post  macedonian Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:37 pm

    Security chief hails US partnership, hopes future undamaged through strains on Ukraine
    “We have always been in contact,” said FSB Deputy Director Sergei Smirnov
    TASS wrote:TASHKENT, June 17. /ITAR-TASS/. A senior official in Russia's state security service has hailed past co-operation with the US intelligence community, expressing hope that strains over Ukraine will not hinder the partnership.
    FSB chief thanks foreign partners for efforts to prevent terrorist attacks during Olympics
    “We have always been in contact,” said Federal Security Service (FSB) Deputy Director Sergei Smirnov. “But when certain events have taken place, our joint activity has subsided”.
    “We communicate in fight against terrorism and in the past decade, the process of interaction has been on the rise,” he said.
    “We exchange official representatives, and now delegations, even directors, continue to make reciprocal visits,” he added. “I hope co-operation will not be cut off, or that latest events will not influence it.”
    Smirnov had words of gratitude for US officers working with Russian special agencies before the Winter Olympic Games in resort city Sochi.
    “We did a great job ahead of the Olympics,” the Russian officer said. “We are grateful for the information support provided by US special services.”

    Whenever I read a Russian official "praising the PARTNERSHIP" with the US it just turns my stomach...meh...whatever...
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    Post  macedonian Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:40 pm

    South Ossetia recognises self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic
    South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in 2008
    TASS wrote:VLADIKAVKAZ, June 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Caucasian republic South Ossetia (focus of armed conflict between Russia and Georgia in 2008) has recognised results of the independence referendum in the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic (LNR), itself now the focus of fighting between secessionist activists and administration forces from Ukraine's capital, Kiev.
    "Respecting the expression of the will of the LNR people, our republic has recognised the results of the referendum," South Ossetian President Leonid Tibilov told ITAR-TASS on Tuesday.
    Responding to the LNR Supreme Council request for recognition of its independence from Ukraine as a sovereign state, Tibilov said: "South Ossetia is ready to make a constructive decision and would be guided by universal norms of international law."
    South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in 2008. It has since been recognised as an independent state by Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Nauru and Tuvalu.

    At least some [mildly] positive news. Not that it makes much difference on the ground though.
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    Post  macedonian Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:44 pm

    Gas blast goes off at gas main in central Ukraine
    According to available reports, no people were injured in the gas blast, fire-fighting efforts continue
    TASS wrote:KIEV, June 17. /ITAR-TASS/. A gas blast went off at the Russian-Ukrainian Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas main on Tuesday afternoon, the press service of the police department in central Ukraine’s Poltava Region told ITAR-TASS.
    “The gas explosion went off one kilometer away from the village of Iskovtsy. According to available reports, no people were injured in the gas blast, fire-fighting efforts continue,” the press service said.
    Eyewitnesses said that the flame rose 200 meters up after the blast.

    Interesting. I'm sure Russia can count on its partners™ in the west to influence the people sponsored by the said partners to not blow any more pipelines.
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    Post  Regular Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:50 pm

    Ukraine is just shooting itself in the foot. It was expected. RS already warned about this. Any news about ongoing military operations? Im on my phone and can't google in kirilica:/
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    Post  arpakola Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:01 pm

    macedonian wrote:Security chief hails US partnership, hopes future undamaged through strains on Ukraine
    “We have always been in contact,” said FSB Deputy Director Sergei Smirnov
    TASS wrote:TASHKENT, June 17. /ITAR-TASS/. A senior official in Russia's state security service has hailed past co-operation with the US intelligence community, expressing hope that strains over Ukraine will not hinder the partnership.
    FSB chief thanks foreign partners for efforts to prevent terrorist attacks during Olympics
    “We have always been in contact,” said Federal Security Service (FSB) Deputy Director Sergei Smirnov. “But when certain events have taken place, our joint activity has subsided”.
    “We communicate in fight against terrorism and in the past decade, the process of interaction has been on the rise,” he said.
    “We exchange official representatives, and now delegations, even directors, continue to make reciprocal visits,” he added. “I hope co-operation will not be cut off, or that latest events will not influence it.”
    Smirnov had words of gratitude for US officers working with Russian special agencies before the Winter Olympic Games in resort city Sochi.
    “We did a great job ahead of the Olympics,” the Russian officer said. “We are grateful for the information support provided by US special services.”

    Whenever I read a Russian official "praising the PARTNERSHIP" with the US it just turns my stomach...meh...whatever...

    Its like having an ugly and expensive wife , not very much in love and sudently someone is found that he wants to take it away from you.. Very Happy

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    Post  macedonian Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:09 pm

    arpakola wrote:Its like having an ugly and expensive wife , not very much in love and sudently someone is found that he wants to take it away from you.. Very Happy
    Very much the same...except (if I may continue the analogy):
    The b/tch cheats on you with anyone willing, keeps looking for a hitman to take you out so that she can steal your money, and you continue to call her "a Partner in the marriage".
    All that while all of your friends keep telling you the way she behaves, and that she'll be the end of you, but you refuse to accept it...one word summarize it: Pathetic.

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