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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

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    Post  arpakola Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    fragmachine wrote:Good news coming from Odessa. Perhaps pro-Russian will grip on some action against maidanut Gov and seize control over city in next weeks?

    I hope that DNR will capture tankbase, but they will need to protect themselves from air coverage, at least manpad squads some distance to the base to take on incoming air threats.

    Those T-72 and T-80 should be priority now.

    If the Odessa Druzhina rises up then they'll be able to count on some assistance from Pridnestrovie; supplies, volunteers, weapons, etc... and unlike Russia the Pridnestrovians don't give a shit about any Western sanctions.

    True..
    As free Odessa is  Pridnestrovians only hope for survival
    Aslo Odessa will disorient the "antiterror" operation of Kiev and will fell the pain on their back



    http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/


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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:04 pm

    If we take Odessa we win! Press hard now!
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    Post  fragmachine Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:55 pm

    Other regions will surely rebel if Donetsk will strengthen its position, or even push the siege off it's region. Then Odessa could receive help at hand and their rise would be sooner than later. If left behind by NATO Ukr would probably stop it's operations in eastern (and then) southern regions and look for talks.

    All I hope is DNR will seize some serious armament, tanks from that base, they could just attack Ukr artillery position and push them back if did wisely.  Combined arms operation is way to go when going from defensive to assault mode. If they could pull off an attack at dawn and disrupt Ukr communications with the new interface they captured with those trucks. It could work out but should be instant.
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    Post  arpakola Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:58 pm

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    Post  macedonian Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:12 pm

    Two interesting vids:

    Video1
    Video2
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    Post  macedonian Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:22 pm

    Oh and another parallel between Ukraine today and...ehm...other regimes...
    Filtration camps!

    Министр подчеркнул, что в фильтрационные лагеря будут помещены все совершеннолетние жители мятежных областей, включая женщин. По его словам, в них будут выявлять тех, кто связан с сепаратистами и кто совершал преступления на территории Украины.


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    Post  medo Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:08 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Mak and Arapakola,

    interesting stuff...thanks.

    Hanibal wrote:Anyway, result always tell who is right and who is wrong.

    Off course

    ....

    They are besieging a tank base at Artemovsk. Surrender negotiations have failed and there's been a firefight during which the brigade commander was wounded. As you can see from the pictures, there's quite an arsenal inside

     Arrow www.bmpd.livejournal.com/883942.html

    I wonder, why they didn't take this base earlier. This is more a reserve warehouse than military unit, so not much guards there. I think there is no ammo in this base, so they have to take other base for ammo, but they need those tanks and BMPs. I wonder if there is any SAM system like Strela-10 or Osa. Osa would be very useful.

    When they size Topaz factory, did they get any Colchuga complex too?
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    Post  arpakola Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:52 pm

    macedonian wrote:Two interesting vids:

    Video1
    Video2

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:58 pm

    Laughing    Laughing    Laughing 

    Asians tourist already flooding Crimea..


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    Putin should gift  Obama this T-Shirt for their next meeting at G20 ..   Smile 

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    I bet with all the popularity of Russia on the east ,after Sochi and Crimea ,there will be lots of Tourism in Crimea and will become
    one of the favorites tourist places in the world for vacations in 2014. btw.. from the article.. [Around a hundred T-shirts out of 3,000 have been sold out within an hour since the garments were put on display].

     but i will prefer a t-shirt with the image of NAtalia Poklonskaya . Smile


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:32 pm

    So it has begun, Kiev's fascist National Guard is now rallying in Maidan for better pay and benefits (from union busting to demanding trade union labor rights), it's starting small now but just wait for the killer austerity to hit, the numbers will rapidly inflate: *the powder keg has been lit*

    "SOT Stanislav Sidorenko, National Guard soldier (Russian): "The papers officially say that soldier a gets salary of 5000 hryvnia, but upon our arrival from Slavyasnk we received 2600 hryvnia as the premium."

    Dozens of Ukrainian National Guard servicemen gathered outside a government building in Kiev on Wednesday rallying for the status of combatants, with permanent salaries and Social Security benefits.

    The national Guard is a 60,000-strong national reserve component of the Ukrainian armed forces that was revived in March 2014 to bolster the country's defences amidst political unrest.

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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:51 pm

    There have been various protests ongoing for the last few weeks. Apart from the one mentioned above, they've been protests by mothers of conscripts, people who lost their savings due to a bank going bust and so on, but they've been relatively small scale....they're using the "war fever" and "Russian threat" to divert attention from economic problems.

    ....

    Reports from Semenovka about the use of white phosphorus (or something similar)



    Helmets and gear arrived for the fighters in Slavjansk

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:10 am


    Helmets and gear arrived for the fighters in Slavjansk wrote:

    For which fighters ? You mean gear for Anti-kiev forces or for the ukraine army?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:48 am

    Vann7 wrote:Laughing    Laughing    Laughing 

    Asians tourist already flooding Crimea..


    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5 - Page 11 1045137


    Putin should gift  Obama this T-Shirt for their next meeting at G20 ..   Smile 

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5 - Page 11 1045163

    I bet with all the popularity of Russia on the east ,after Sochi and Crimea ,there will be lots of Tourism in Crimea and will become
    one of the favorites tourist places in the world for vacations in 2014. btw.. from the article.. [Around a hundred T-shirts out of 3,000 have been sold out within an hour since the garments were put on display].

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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:16 am

    Vann7 wrote:


    For which fighters ?   You mean gear for Anti-kiev forces or for the ukraine army?

    Anti Kiev
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:37 am

    Russian Bombers Fly Within 50 Miles of California Coast

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russian-bombers-fly-within-50-miles-of-california-coast/


    Seems Russia is sending a message to US over their military operations in the Baltics...
    Those bombers are nuclear capable and US congress already hysteric over the tit for tat provocations..

    Here Israeli soldiers showing their combat skills capabilities ,that have teaching to the Ukraine ARmy on its military operations..





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    Post  arpakola Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:22 am

    [quote]
    Vann7 wrote:Laughing    Laughing    Laughing 

    Asians tourist already flooding Crimea..

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5 - Page 11 1045163

    I bet with all the popularity of Russia on the east ,after Sochi and Crimea ,there will be lots of Tourism in Crimea and will become
    one of the favorites tourist places in the world for vacations in 2014. btw.. from the article.. [Around a hundred T-shirts out of 3,000 have been sold out within an hour since the garments were put on display].

    They would be best selers in Egypt also ..
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    Post  fragmachine Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:56 am

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    Direct attack is not the way to go. If there are some SpetsNas units, they should have helped DNR to capture this tank base. SpetsNas could infiltrate into the base at night and take off guards and open the gate, DNR could then join in.


    Or if DNR have some NVs then they should made some SF units off experienced soldiers. It is no way that this base is so heavily guarded that it is impossible to capture it if days before they just been talking with their tank commander?
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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:12 am

    Fuckers using phosphorus on civilians... Ok, gloves should come off.
    If those soldiers guarding reserve base are locals then get their family members and drag them to the gates. It was done before. And no, don't let them away like it was done with Ukrainian POWs as they will join in again. Break their wrists, break the fingers so they will not join ATO again. Or simply shoot them in the back of the head and throw them in the ditch. Ukrainian army is covering losses anyways.
    I think separatists should target family members of Ukrainian servicemen. 
    Just like IRA. 
    If they are screaming about terrorists then maybe separatists should actually terrorize them. 
    How hard it would be to wreck Havoc in Kiev? 
    False flag attack on Gov or people would be the way to go.
    Maybe I'm too cruel, but I lost all the sympathy to Ukrainians. They are rabid dogs.
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    Post  arpakola Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:40 pm

    H Eυρωπαική δημοκρατία εν δράσει στην Ουκρανία - Σλαβυανσκ
    Grandmother in her house, damaged by Ukrainian artillery. Slaviansk.
    Translation from Ukrainian-Russian mixed language:
    - "Hello. How are You holding on here ?"
    - "Barely breathing"
    - "How old are You?"
    - "84 years old. If you want to remember,
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    Post  arpakola Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:00 pm


    confirmed to be white phosphorus .



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    Post  fragmachine Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:12 pm

    These scum nazis really have it jew-style. Like Israeli style annihilation of Gaza.

    So it wasn't bullshit after all. Do they use artillery shells to drop the phosphorus?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:51 pm

    Kiev’s National Guard unit mutiny: ‘We’ve been discarded like trash’

    Arrow http://rt.com/news/165472-ukraine-national-guard-mutiny/
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    Post  fragmachine Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:19 pm

    So, RS is treated as a po-po - which they are. Kiev prolly thinks that it doesn't need to pay fanatics for killing their enemies, they will do it "from the free foot" which means it doesn't matter as far as they can kill some pro-Russians. It would be entertaining to see fighting between NaziGuards and maidanut gov forces.
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:27 pm

    Anti-Kiev forces now have at least one tank. Reported taken from the Artemovsk base.

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    Post  fragmachine Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:51 pm

    So it means they have managed to capture it, so prolly they have more of it. There are also some BMPs, even BMP-3.

    That one looks like T80. If that news is true then I hope there's enought gear that wasn't mobilised before by Junta.

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