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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri May 23, 2014 1:23 pm

    Here's a link in English.

    https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/?p=19111
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    Post  arpakola on Fri May 23, 2014 2:00 pm



    Transcription of questions
    1. How did you get captured?

    - A fight broke out , our retreat began and I was left alone in the BMP. Militiamen in fact saved me, because our started to shoot and at my position as well.

    2 . What was your objective?

    - To kill separatists

    3 . Were you sent in Lugansk?

    - No, so far we were only in the north region

    4 . Who shot at civilians?

    - Not me, it's mortar battery

    5 . Have you been ordered to shoot at civilians?

    - Yes, by the chief of HQ, but personally I did not shoot.

    6. What will you do next?

    - If released, then I will come home and tell that there are no separatists here. Here live simple people, children, women, teenagers, they just protect their homes, their land. And our commanders are lying to us, they say that they are separatists, alcoholics and drug addicts.
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    Post  Regular on Fri May 23, 2014 2:07 pm

    He said more than this.
    at 5:00 He said that Right Sector executed the ones who refused to shoot at civilians
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri May 23, 2014 6:00 pm

    Some interesting stuff:

    Ukrainian Battalion: we were betrayed

    Special Battalion " Donbass " management announces that troops have become the victims of betrayal notify news.liga.net .

    Donetsk Oblast Territorial Defence Volunteer Battalion " Donbass " , which is Friday morning at KARLOVKA village fell into an ambush , authorities claim that the forces have become the victims of betrayal : terrorists are not yet in a way not found out what the route will travel Ukrainian fighters, and it has.

    Donetsk Oblast Territorial Defence Volunteer Battalion " Donbass " , which is Friday morning at KARLOVKA village fell into an ambush , authorities claim that the forces have become the victims of betrayal : terrorists are not yet in a way not found out what the route will travel Ukrainian fighters, and it has.

    Ukrainian troops have suffered serious losses. Such information Battalion Semyon Semenčenka gave his account on Facebook .

    "As soon as the battalion " Donbass " felt the hope that you may be able to release more of the Donetsk area districts , there was something unexpected and unbelievable. Although better think about it , the explanation is . " Donbass " has become a victim of betrayal - the information about the actions of the battalion found itself in the hands of terrorists , " - said in a statement.

    " The rural KARLOVKA " Donbass " battalion fell into an ambush , had to fight . Battalion had to grapple with automatic rifles , light anti-tank weapons and sniper rifles armed terrorists. There is injured ( number yet to be determined) . The nearest town hospital to two people , they are shipped directly from the locking post. One of them underwent surgery , traumatology second hands. Run hospital keeps the wounded guard. The rest of the wounded looks forward to leave . At the time of communication with the surrounding KARLOVKA fighters do not " - writes S. Semečenka .

    It also states that some of the " Donbass " battalion fighters found themselves in captivity or were killed , a total of 20 people were injured .

    In response to reporters' questions about potential hostages S. Semečenka said that he telephoned the Russian Central Intelligence Agency , Lieutenant Colonel Igor Bezler and said that all hostages taken militants killed.

    Identification of the exact number " Donbass " battalion commander refused , but noted that the opposing camp suffered "three times " greater losses . S. Semečenkos said that one of the wounded soldiers from the battalion suffered injuries died in hospital.

    Ukrainian : my child as " banderovcu "

    With just two days before the presidential elections in Ukraine , Donetsk region of the country during the armed clashes between the army and the separatists on Friday killed at least two people , informs Reuters.

    Ukraine's pro-government militias team ( militia ) "Donbass " Commander release reported that his men going exploration accidentally came well armed separatist mounted road checks post about 15 kilometers west of the city of Donetsk next KARLOVKA . Fighting lasted for more than three hours , according to the "Donbass " leader of the separatists used antitank and machine guns , as well as had their snipers .

    " We have confirmed the death of two of his fighters . We hope that others are in custody , because otherwise the number of victims will increase to five. We have more than five people injured , they moved into Kiev , - informed the Donbass leader Semyon Semenčenka .

    Meanwhile, the locals view on Kiev conducted " anti-terrorist " operations and the forthcoming presidential election widely. 52 - year old grand KARLOVKA resident Valentina blame for forcing victims of the Ukrainian government and insisted it did not intend to vote.

    Why Kiev is doing ? Why Europe is silent? All lived a normal life before the start meddling in our affairs. Why should I vote for people who shoot and kill us ? " - Outraged woman .

    Krasnomaisko nearby resident Alex "Donbass " militia brought gasoline and expressed a different opinion.

    "It is the fact that idiots separatists to disrupt the elections. We still vote . Of the 25 kids in my son's class only seven supported the Ukraine, all my children call " banderovcu " - Alex complained .

    http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/ukrainos-batalionas-mus-isdave.d?id=64869749 # ixzz32YTDDBep


    That "Igor Bezler" is the same provocateur who played russian colonel.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri May 23, 2014 6:42 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    arpakola wrote:Prince Charles compares Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/prince-charles-compares-vladimir-putin-hitler-article-1.1799855

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    That clown Charles Windsor/Coburg/Goethe or whatever his real name is today  is absolute scum.
    This so called monarchy is supposed to have no opinions on politics. In reality, they control all the organs of power of Britain's feudalist joke of a "democracy".

    In truth, they are all Nazis, murderers, closet homosexual rapists, bribe takers or other sorts of vermin.

    No one attached to the Establishment ever has the balls to challenge them. Whether its so called leftist politicians, actors, singers, judges, the whole lot. Even the head of the supposed Labour party (basically an upper class homosexual) had the neck to defend this big eared feudalist prick.

    Buckingham Palace is certainly one good place for a regime change.

    This post made my head hurt
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 23, 2014 7:21 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    arpakola wrote:Prince Charles compares Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/prince-charles-compares-vladimir-putin-hitler-article-1.1799855

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    That clown Charles Windsor/Coburg/Goethe or whatever his real name is today  is absolute scum.
    This so called monarchy is supposed to have no opinions on politics. In reality, they control all the organs of power of Britain's feudalist joke of a "democracy".

    In truth, they are all Nazis, murderers, closet homosexual rapists, bribe takers or other sorts of vermin.

    No one attached to the Establishment ever has the balls to challenge them. Whether its so called leftist politicians, actors, singers, judges, the whole lot. Even the head of the supposed Labour party (basically an upper class homosexual) had the neck to defend this big eared feudalist prick.

    Buckingham Palace is certainly one good place for a regime change.

    This post made my head hurt

    Besides the post that "made your head hurt" when Prince Charles labels Putin Adolph Hitler (lol at the idea that Hitler would support 27 official languages) thats just more evidence that the NATO states are ran by sanctimonious hypocrites, and it should be noted that King Edward the 8th was a documented fascist sympathizer and Hitler supporter, in fact the British Royal family is married in to all the royal families of Europe (Dutch and British Royal family have been intermarried since William of Orange) and all those royal European families unanimously supported the rise of fascism in Europe, including Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands who was not only a fascist sympathizer but a member of the Dutch off-shot of the German SS and national socialist party of the Netherlands.
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    Post  arpakola on Fri May 23, 2014 9:51 pm

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat May 24, 2014 6:30 am

    Im still Curious about Lukashenko President of belarus.. his stance and opinions about Ukraine when Yakunovych
    was President and he had the violent Unrest financed by the US congress..

    Anyone knows if which side was Lukashenko when Yakunovych had a war zone in kiev to overthrow him?
    I will not be suprised if the bastard was promoting him to Resign.  Wondering what will Lukashenko think about
    its territorial Integrity of Belarus if he is overthrow by Force by a minority of Lithuanians Nazis with citizenship that hate Belarussians
    and once in power use the army to kill anyone who oppose the coup. anyone have any knowledge what was his stance with the
    Euromaidan violent protest?
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    Post  mutantsushi on Sat May 24, 2014 7:52 am

    Antonov workers have been protesting against the junta's interference with their company (firing "pro Russian" CEO, etc)
    Anybody have more info on that?
    http://cargoforwarder.eu/2014/04/27/antonov-workers-oppose-demission-of-director/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c0JY3wv0OM&feature=youtu.be

    Video cameras are being removed from polling centers in Dnipro, a worrying sign for "fair" elections under junta rule
    http://russian.rt.com/article/33316#ixzz32Yr9nMoT

    Also in Dnipro, armed men kidnapped people right from under police's nose, apparently taking them for interrogation elsewhere.
    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3367574-v-dnepropetrovskoi-oblasty-napaly-na-horotdel-mylytsyy-chetyre-cheloveka-raneny-mvd

    Junta oligo-governor for Donetsk, Sergiy Taruta, criticized Kolomosky's RS batallions as worsening the situation in the SE,
    a similar response to the RS militia sent to Odessa from Kiev, only problem is they are only ones reliable to fight the Resistance.
    https://twitter.com/NOVORUSSIA2015/status/469750063544016896

    I believe I posted (before Odessa arson pogrom) about an attempted meeting of judges in Odessa, prevented by the junta and RS thugs.
    (no doubt on fear they would denounce the illegitimacy of the junta, and legitimize some form of resistance to it)
    Does anybody have any more info on that, if they have tried meeting in other locations, formats, etc?

    In Transcarpathia, Hungary seems to be warning it may use it's own forces on the territory of Transcarpathia,
    what with RS/Banderist types and the junta forces themselves repressing ethnic Hungarians (as well as Rusyn and other anti-junta Resistance)
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1400610818

    Kind of silly, but here is an image I made, featuring the son of American Vice President, now appointed to Ukrainian oil firm:
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    Over 700 Observers Arrive in Ukraine Ahead of Presidential Election

    MOSCOW, May 21 (RIA Novosti) – More than 730 international observers have already arrived in Ukraine to monitor the country’s presidential election scheduled for Sunday, Ukraine’s State Border Service said Wednesday.

    “International observers continue coming to Ukraine for the presidential election. More than 730 foreign observers have already crossed the Ukrainian border,” the press service said in a statement.

    A total of 2,784 observers and 1,183 reporters from 154 media outlets have been registered to monitor the election, according to the country’s Central Election Committee.

    Ukraine saw a regime change in late February after the so-called Maidan mass rallies in Kiev. The Ukrainian parliament backed by far-right movements ousted elected president Viktor Yanukovych, amended the country’s constitution and scheduled early elections for May 25.

    Moscow has said that the legitimacy of the upcoming election will depend on a number of conditions including transparency and the interests of the regions.
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    Post  Regular on Sat May 24, 2014 11:32 am

    Vann7 wrote:Im still Curious about Lukashenko President of belarus.. his stance and opinions about Ukraine when Yakunovych
    was President and he had the violent Unrest financed by the US congress..

    Anyone knows if which side was Lukashenko when Yakunovych had a war zone in kiev to overthrow him?
    I will not be suprised if the bastard was promoting him to Resign.  Wondering what will Lukashenko think about
    its territorial Integrity of Belarus if he is overthrow by Force by a minority of Lithuanians Nazis with citizenship that hate Belarussians
    and once in power use the army to kill anyone who oppose the coup. anyone have any knowledge what was his stance with the
    Euromaidan violent protest?
    Lol man. I'm married to belorus lithuanian 'nazi'. My wife couldnt speak proper lithuanian when i met her in some pagan fest 10 years ago. I haven't met plenty lithuanians in BY, but none of them were nazis. I've seen many lithuanian immigrants in Minsk. My bro works there too. Where did You get that we are all nazis? Belarus should rather worry about their activists who are supported by the west not minority who is scattered and has no claims. But do tell me more about Lithuanian community in Belarus.
    Searching for enemies where there is none there is counterproductive
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat May 24, 2014 11:58 am

    Can someone who understands tell us what they are saying here?

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat May 24, 2014 12:19 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Im still Curious about Lukashenko President of belarus.. his stance and opinions about Ukraine when Yakunovych
    was President and he had the violent Unrest financed by the US congress..

    Anyone knows if which side was Lukashenko when Yakunovych had a war zone in kiev to overthrow him?
    I will not be suprised if the bastard was promoting him to Resign.  Wondering what will Lukashenko think about
    its territorial Integrity of Belarus if he is overthrow by Force by a minority of Lithuanians Nazis with citizenship that hate Belarussians
    and once in power use the army to kill anyone who oppose the coup. anyone have any knowledge what was his stance with the
    Euromaidan violent protest?
    Lol man. I'm married to belorus lithuanian 'nazi'. My wife couldnt speak proper lithuanian when i met her in some pagan fest 10 years ago. I haven't met plenty lithuanians in BY, but none of them were nazis. I've seen many lithuanian immigrants in Minsk. My bro works there too. Where did You get that we are all nazis? Belarus should rather worry about their activists who are supported by the west not minority who is scattered and has no claims. But do tell me more about Lithuanian community in Belarus.
    Searching for enemies where there is none there is counterproductive
    Do most lithuanians in belarussia hate lukashenko and want nato intervention to impose a Neocon controlled capitalist oligarchy there? What about the belorussians themselves? Do most of them have the same views as the galicians?
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat May 24, 2014 12:34 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Where did You get that we are all nazis? Belarus should rather worry about their activists who are supported by the west not minority who is scattered and has no claims. But do tell me more about Lithuanian community in Belarus.
    Searching for enemies where there is none there is counterproductive

    Huh?
    Since when i was talking in absolute terms..? I was using for example Lithuanians Nazis , just for sake of example.. COuld have used Mexicans but that will not make much sense.  Was just saying the lukashenko looks like either is a Major Traitor or incredibly Ignorant.
    For his stance of Ukraine maintaining territorial integrity no matter what..  Thats ludicrous..  The is absolutely no logic to have Nazis and Russian under the same country if the first ones promote the assassination of them and go to other cities to burn them alive.  You cannot
    force 2 totally opposite factions to stay together.. specially when the radical one is in power and is armed and attack and kill Russians just for being Russians. Trying to force Russians to live under a pro Nazi/NATO government , that see them as terrorist is like trying to force
    ISraelis and Hamas to live under the same country and that Hamas terrorist minority get in power with a coup.. it will not work.  
    So having a government Pro NATO and Pro Nazis in Ukraine ,while there are 8 millions of etnic Russians is not going o work.. no matter what  they do.

     So the Belarusian president is supporting a never ending bloodshed in Ukraine ,that is an Odessa massacre every month or more against Etnic Russians.. just because he do not like Ukraine to lose territory. Fck territory.. People are more important than geographical lines and since he is not the one that have to live in eastern Ukraine with artillery shelling his house or nazis threatening his family on checkpoints. so ofcourse since his future and family is not in danger..so he can say how important is for Ukraine to remain united artificially.

      Im sure LUkashenko opinions will be totally different if he was the one overthrow and neonazis radicals  at the orders of NATO in power. I do not see ever a chance ,for western ukraine to stop their hostilities against Russians. Unless the Russians are allowed full autonomy in eastern Ukraine and to have their own police.. for their own protection.
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    Post  Regular on Sat May 24, 2014 12:57 pm

    to komissar
    if they wouldn't like Luka they could always pack their bags and leave. Most ppl like him because he have balls and seems to care for the people. Lithuanians there are same as Belorusians. Mostly apolitical. Belarus will never have maidan. West financed it, but it failed. No popular support
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    Post  arpakola on Sat May 24, 2014 1:47 pm

    Poroshenko promised to pay every volunteer soldier 1000hryvnas/day, insure their lives for 1mil hryvnas after he's elected president.

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat May 24, 2014 2:57 pm

    Regular wrote:to komissar
    if they wouldn't like Luka they could always pack their bags and leave. Most ppl like him because he have balls and seems to care for the people. Lithuanians there are same as Belorusians. Mostly apolitical. Belarus will never have maidan. West financed it, but it failed. No popular support

    On the other hand it seems extremely strange and illogical why luka would support a group(kiev gov) that hates his guts and their sponsors(NATO) that are planning to do the same to him as they did to yanuk.
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    Post  Regular on Sat May 24, 2014 3:05 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Where did You get that we are all nazis? Belarus should rather worry about their activists who are supported by the west not minority who is scattered and has no claims. But do tell me more about Lithuanian community in Belarus.
    Searching for enemies where there is none there is counterproductive

    Huh?
    Since when i was talking in absolute terms..? I was using for example Lithuanians Nazis , just for sake of example.. COuld have used Mexicans but that will not make much sense.  Was just saying the lukashenko looks like either is a Major Traitor or incredibly Ignorant.
    For his stance of Ukraine maintaining territorial integrity no matter what..  Thats ludicrous..  The is absolutely no logic to have Nazis and Russian under the same country if the first ones promote the assassination of them and go to other cities to burn them alive.  You cannot
    force 2 totally opposite factions to stay together.. specially when the radical one is in power and is armed and attack and kill Russians just for being Russians. Trying to force Russians to live under a pro Nazi/NATO government , that see them as terrorist is like trying to force
    ISraelis and Hamas to live under the same country and that Hamas terrorist minority get in power with a coup.. it will not work.  
    So having a government Pro NATO and Pro Nazis in Ukraine ,while there are 8 millions of etnic Russians is not going o work.. no matter what  they do.

     So the Belarusian  president is supporting a never ending bloodshed in Ukraine ,that is an Odessa massacre every month or more against Etnic Russians.. just because he do not like Ukraine to lose territory. Fck territory..  People are more important than geographical lines and since he is not the one that have to live in eastern Ukraine with artillery shelling his house or nazis threatening his family on checkpoints. so ofcourse since his future and family is not in danger..so he can say how important is for Ukraine to remain united artificially.

      Im sure LUkashenko opinions will be totally different if he was the one overthrow and neonazis radicals  at the orders of NATO in power. I do not see ever a chance ,for western ukraine to stop their hostilities against Russians. Unless the Russians are allowed full autonomy in eastern Ukraine and to have their own police.. for their own protection.
    You seem to be shocked by his stance. But it's predictable. He is known by remarks towards Putin, he didn't support Russia in 888 War, he didn't recognise South Osetia or Abhazia. He is an oddball. I might be missing something, but I think one day it will bite his ass hard.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat May 24, 2014 3:09 pm

    Regular wrote:to komissar
    if they wouldn't like Luka they could always pack their bags and leave. Most ppl like him because he have balls and seems to care for the people. Lithuanians there are same as Belorusians. Mostly apolitical. Belarus will never have maidan. West financed it, but it failed. No popular support

    You are not following ..at all..
    Neither i said Lithuanians are Nazis ,thats Absolute terms.. or that Lukashenko is strong or not or how are belarussians. Or if the coup will
    happen or not in belarus..  What im saying is that Lukasheko is indirectly promoting a Major Genocide of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine by supporting a Pro Nazi/NATO government because he is against any independence or autonomy of the eastern Ukraine. That he is not remotely concerned if thousands of Russians killed by the Nazi army.. if their house bombed every day by artillery... zero complains about that ..that the only thing that Bastard is worried is about the NAzi government preserving Ukraine territorial lines . So he really don't care if NATO use Ukraine to fight Russia either.. He will not lose a night of sleep for the security of Russia...  he have no problem with NATO installing military bases there either , because thats exactly what will happen .There is a Big immediate Danger dude.. for lives of hundred of Thousands of civilians in easter Ukraine . They will end with their houses burned to force a major evacuation in mass . and the Ukrainian army is now Shelling their residential houses directly.. shooting to kill. I don't know how thats not alarming to you.  

     So because what happens in Ukraine will not affect belarus much.. and only Russia.. then lukashenko can talk all day how much Ukraine needs to conserve its territorial integrity.. . I really hope Putin Stop financing that Crock that just month ago asked for a loan to help his economy. after his support for a NATO/PRO Nazi government in Ukraine.
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Sat May 24, 2014 4:03 pm

    Regular wrote:to komissar
    if they wouldn't like Luka they could always pack their bags and leave. Most ppl like him because he have balls and seems to care for the people. Lithuanians there are same as Belorusians. Mostly apolitical. Belarus will never have maidan. West financed it, but it failed. No popular support

    You may not be right, bro. I suspect Maidan's fate was decided not only by "the popular support", but probably even more so by oligarchs' clans who decided to bring the conditions to steal some more  Wink 

    Of course, unlike in Ukraine, BY oligarchs are under firm batka's boot.
    But with such rule there's little amount of people that I know of that could replace him. So, what happens when he'll go belly up, who'll go for president, Kolia?  Rolling Eyes

    And under exactly such conditions USaids and stuff really thrive.   
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    Post  Viktor on Sat May 24, 2014 4:28 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 


    Luhansk and Donetsk republic united in Novorossia
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat May 24, 2014 5:06 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Regular wrote:to komissar
    if they wouldn't like Luka they could always pack their bags and leave. Most ppl like him because he have balls and seems to care for the people. Lithuanians there are same as Belorusians. Mostly apolitical. Belarus will never have maidan. West financed it, but it failed. No popular support

    On the other hand it seems extremely strange and illogical why luka would support a group(kiev gov) that hates his guts and their sponsors(NATO) that are planning to do the same to him as they did to yanuk.

    Luka's not supporting the Ukr pro-US government, or the US/EU.

    He's made plenty of statements recently making it very clear that his country is firmly set on the path of Customs Union integration and so on.

    And he's denounced Maidan plenty of times, about what sort of thing happens when a leader ignores their people or is as effective as enforcing order as a damp rag.

    Some of you guys are confusing the issue.
    Luka's place in all this is very clear and always has been - he's a Russian ally
    The main thing that differs are the tactics.

    Luka wants to step up in the role of a mediator between Russia and the Ukraine. Hence all his diplomatic efforts, meeting with Turchinov, etc...
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    Post  Regular on Sat May 24, 2014 5:25 pm

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    if they wouldn't like Luka they could always pack their bags and leave. Most ppl like him because he have balls and seems to care for the people. Lithuanians there are same as Belorusians. Mostly apolitical. Belarus will never have maidan. West financed it, but it failed. No popular support

    You are not following ..at all..
    Neither i said Lithuanians are Nazis ,thats Absolute terms.. or that Lukashenko is strong or not or how are belarussians. Or if the coup will
    happen or not in belarus..  What im saying is that Lukasheko is indirectly promoting a Major Genocide of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine by supporting a Pro Nazi/NATO government because he is against any independence or autonomy of the eastern Ukraine. That he is not remotely concerned if thousands of Russians killed by the Nazi army.. if their house bombed every day by artillery... zero complains about that ..that the only thing that Bastard is worried is about the NAzi government preserving Ukraine territorial lines . So he really don't care if NATO use Ukraine to fight Russia either.. He will not lose a night of sleep for the security of Russia...  he have no problem with NATO installing military bases there either , because thats exactly what will happen .There is a Big immediate Danger dude.. for lives of hundred of Thousands of civilians in easter Ukraine . They will end with their houses burned to force a major evacuation in mass . and the Ukrainian army is now Shelling their residential houses directly.. shooting to kill. I don't know how thats not alarming to you.  

     So because what happens in Ukraine will not affect belarus much.. and only Russia.. then lukashenko can talk all day how much Ukraine needs to conserve its territorial integrity.. . I really hope Putin Stop financing that Crock that just month ago asked for a loan to help his economy. after his support for a NATO/PRO Nazi government in Ukraine.
    Sorry then, I got it wrong man. I'm sick with flu and my eyes crap.
    But I think You got all too emotional on Batka. He might be oddball, but as FP mentioned, he was antimaidan and he's still Russian ally. Lusk asked for Russian jets to counter NATO deployment in Baltics not so long ago.
    His support for Ukrainian gov and integrity is symbolic and rather predictable as was with South Osetia and Abkhazia when he supported Georgian territorial integrity.
    He simply washes his hands and waits what will happen in Ukraine. In same time he scores some macho points home.
    Do You really expect a significantly weaker country like Belarus to act the way Russia should've?
    And....
    We yet to see genocide in Eastern Ukraine. Let's be poor, but right. Criminal, anti constitutional actions - yes. Ukraine is terrorising civilians with arty, indiscriminate fire and use of paramilitaries.. all things fall into war crime, but god forbid, still no ethnic cleaning.
    Although we might call Odessa massacre a pogrom. Still let's not overuse word genocide. It was used too often in 888 war when it shouldn't.
    Belarus supports Ukraine or not, it won't change situation on the ground, they are no more relevant than Poland.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 24, 2014 6:18 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Regular wrote:to komissar
    if they wouldn't like Luka they could always pack their bags and leave. Most ppl like him because he have balls and seems to care for the people. Lithuanians there are same as Belorusians. Mostly apolitical. Belarus will never have maidan. West financed it, but it failed. No popular support

    On the other hand it seems extremely strange and illogical why luka would support a group(kiev gov) that hates his guts and their sponsors(NATO) that are planning to do the same to him as they did to yanuk.

    Luka's not supporting the Ukr pro-US government, or the US/EU.

    He's made plenty of statements recently making it very clear that his country is firmly set on the path of Customs Union integration and so on.

    And he's denounced Maidan plenty of times, about what sort of thing happens when a leader ignores their people or is as effective as enforcing order as a damp rag.

    Some of you guys are confusing the issue.
    Luka's place in all this is very clear and always has been - he's a Russian ally
    The main thing that differs are the tactics.

    Luka wants to step up in the role of a mediator between Russia and the Ukraine. Hence all his diplomatic efforts, meeting with Turchinov, etc...

    Exactly, X2

    Baka has a lot to lose with a hostile Ukraine at its borders than Russia, and since he is a clear ally of Russia and is indeed integrated in Customs Union and soon Eurasian Union, he is making sure that things do transition more smoothly rather than it trying to get even worst in Ukraine. Could spill to his border as well.
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Sat May 24, 2014 7:19 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Luka wants to step up in the role of a mediator between Russia and the Ukraine. Hence all his diplomatic efforts, meeting with Turchinov, etc...

    OK, a simple question: Seps think that batka is in bed with junta, yes or no?

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