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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

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    Post  macedonian Tue May 13, 2014 2:14 pm

    Wikileaks cable from 2008 February 1, 14:25:

    Wikileaks wrote:Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.

     Shocked Prediction came true...

    Read the whole thing here
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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue May 13, 2014 2:25 pm

    more or less, Greece's Tourism Minister says Russians are responsible for the largest part of tourist income.

    Greece will never ban or deny Russian acces to Greece (and basically, if Greece grants them Visa they are free to go all over the EU). and in fact would like to see more tourists from Russia....and this on CNN Razz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE7Z7QmE-jc

    when asked about sactions against russia denying them acces. she says "sanctions should target goverments and not people",

    and talk about being an arrogant asshole journalist "you may have no choice". but i love how the greek minister responds with "this is not something we would ever support" and "the number of visa's have seen a rise in March" "and we are really looking forward to welcoming more visitors" when the journalist mentions Crimea.

    its basically saying "we do not give a shit, we need the money and are not going to demonise the russian population".


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    Post  Vann7 Tue May 13, 2014 2:27 pm


    Attempt made at life of Lugansk People's governor


    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_13/Attempt-made-at-life-of-Lugansk-Peoples-governor-8444/
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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 2:46 pm

    on the other hand .. in EU have issues with participation.. so |>>

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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 3:10 pm

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    targeting Kramatorsk again ..
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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 3:29 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:more or less, Greece's Tourism Minister says Russians are responsible for the largest part of tourist income.

    Greece will never ban or deny Russian acces to Greece (and basically, if Greece grants them Visa they are free to go all over the EU). and in fact would like to see more tourists from Russia....and this on CNN Razz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE7Z7QmE-jc

    when asked about sactions against russia denying them acces. she says "sanctions should target goverments and not people",

    and talk about being an arrogant asshole journalist "you may have no choice". but i love how the greek minister responds with "this is not something we would ever support" and "the number of visa's have seen a rise in March" "and we are really looking forward to welcoming more visitors" when the journalist mentions Crimea.

    its basically saying "we do not give a shit, we need the money and are not going to demonise the russian population".


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    Olga Kefalogianni , minister of Tourism speaking is the daughter of ex Minister John (Ioannis) Kefalogiannis from  Krete , that he was convicted in prisonment for aiding drug dealers.. (Both within the ruling New Democracy party )

    http://www.agorapress.gr/el/news.php?n=265
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    https://www.facebook.com/olga.kefalogianni


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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue May 13, 2014 3:34 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:more or less, Greece's Tourism Minister says Russians are responsible for the largest part of tourist income.

    Greece will never ban or deny Russian acces to Greece (and basically, if Greece grants them Visa they are free to go all over the EU). and in fact would like to see more tourists from Russia....and this on CNN Razz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE7Z7QmE-jc

    when asked about sactions against russia denying them acces. she says "sanctions should target goverments and not people",

    and talk about being an arrogant asshole journalist "you may have no choice". but i love how the greek minister responds with "this is not something we would ever support" and "the number of visa's have seen a rise in March" "and we are really looking forward to welcoming more visitors" when the journalist mentions Crimea.

    its basically saying "we do not give a shit, we need the money and are not going to demonise the russian population".




    Well Greece, like already said, is hugely pro Russian and lately is more or less about to brake free from EU and NATO. I mean she really needs nothing more than key support and some provocation, so the American leading elite established here since 1945 is pretty much in a desperate situation. They seriously need not to outrage Russians trying to gain time. They basically can do nothing more than just to buy time, Greek society is a time bomb.
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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 3:45 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:more or less, Greece's Tourism Minister says Russians are responsible for the largest part of tourist income.

    Greece will never ban or deny Russian acces to Greece (and basically, if Greece grants them Visa they are free to go all over the EU). and in fact would like to see more tourists from Russia....and this on CNN Razz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE7Z7QmE-jc

    when asked about sactions against russia denying them acces. she says "sanctions should target goverments and not people",

    and talk about being an arrogant asshole journalist "you may have no choice". but i love how the greek minister responds with "this is not something we would ever support" and "the number of visa's have seen a rise in March" "and we are really looking forward to welcoming more visitors" when the journalist mentions Crimea.

    its basically saying "we do not give a shit, we need the money and are not going to demonise the russian population".




    Well Greece, like already said, is hugely pro Russian and lately is more or less about to brake free from EU and NATO. I mean she really needs nothing more than key support and some provocation, so the American leading elite established here since 1945 is pretty much in a desperate situation. They seriously need not to outrage Russians trying to gain time. They basically can do nothing more than just to buy time, Greek society is a time bomb.

    If Putin goes for president in Greece he will get at least 70%
    ======================
    Greece gave a 10 .. to Russia for eurovision

    Left wing leader of SYRIZA , Tsipras ( according to polls the largest party at the moment) yesterday visited Moscow
    He is not strongly pro Russian but thinking of it... (there are many 5th falanx inside the party at the momment like journalist Kouloglou and others .. they are Against Russia , but they are not majoriy) - Syriza puplished a document 9th May condeming and blaming EU for the Ukranian events
    The communist party of Greece is pro Russian ( it was the first party that condemed EU for ukraine)
    Many in the N. Democracy party are pro Russian , but a lot of them also Pro NATO
    social-democrats are covered Pro NATO i.e. what is left fro PASOK - DIMAR etc
    Right wing party - nationalists 'Eleftheroi Ellines" are PRO Russian
    Golden Dawn, ultra nationalist (with good relations with R.S in Ukraine) .. are pro Russian also..

    So .. although Greece is one of the first NATO and EU countries .. have turned Pro Russian in majority

    but not thinking to break from EU and NATO
    from EU due to financial reasons.. (at the moment that is .. because we may split from euro and sengen in the future)
    as for NATO , there is a constand fear of the Turkish agresiveness

    in the army .. there is a growing mood for pro russian sentiment (we are the only NATO country using S300 and TOR M1)
    I couldn,t think that a Greek pilot will ever fly against Russia..
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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 4:07 pm

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e24_1399498421

    warning !!! hard seens


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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue May 13, 2014 5:04 pm

    Not sure if this is a repost, but i feel a need to post it regardless.
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    Post  macedonian Tue May 13, 2014 5:49 pm

    Reports of an ambush by proRussian forces on advancing Ukr military & NatGuard near Kramatorsk.
    At least 6 KIA & 8 WIA...but I think there's a lot more.
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    Finally. Now rinse and repeat:) Good luck to those rebels. Now they need to use mines on the roads and take care of those hellos. I hope they have enough ATGMs.
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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 6:12 pm

    macedonian wrote:Reports of an ambush by proRussian forces on advancing Ukr military & NatGuard near Kramatorsk.
    At least 6 KIA & 8 WIA...but I think there's a lot more.

    There was a battle in a village near Kramatorsk(this is confirmed). Strelkov is reporting: "From ambush were destroyed 2 BTRs, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition, the enemy lost 30 in dead and wounded". This is not confirmed, so take it as you will.

    http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/05/13/7025246/


    About 13.00 on the outskirts of the village of the October , Slavic area that for 20 km from Kramatorsk , during movement of the column of one of the military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was cynical and insidious fired from an ambush.

    Terrorists attacked the Ukrainian paratroopers from the grenade , told tight shot small arms fire .

    "More than 30 attackers arrived in advance and were placed along the river through the bushes . Terrorists first shot from a grenade hit the engine of the second BTRіv who came to the bridge. Explosion was heard . BTR Another tried to push the damaged military vehicle , which caught fire on the village . Soldiers took the fight , "- said the Defense Ministry .

    "After the first volley of terrorists with heavy weapons , killing two soldiers , 3 more were injured. Total due to prolonged clashes killed six members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine . 8 injured varying severity . One badly wounded " - added to the Defense Ministry.

    ARS previously reported by the group coordinator Dmitry Tymchuk News resistance .

    " Around 13.00 20 kilometers from Kramatorsk near the village of Dmitrovka division 95th airmobile brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine , participating in NSS got ambushed by militants ," - he said.

    " According to preliminary information , terrorists from grenade destroyed a truck carrying ammunition , after which the battle began . Simultaneously Kramatorsk bus came to the aid of 30-40 militants. Helicopters and reinforcements arrived paratroopers ," - said Tymchuk .

    " As a result of the collision of the siloviki have killed and wounded . 's Losses among the terrorists there is no information ," - said Tymchuk .



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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 6:29 pm

    http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.politics&id=1920

    Tsipras blasts EU's Ukraine policy in Moscow

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4 - Page 13 3--10-thumb-large1-thumb-large

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    Post  Regular Tue May 13, 2014 6:35 pm

    Don't bite the hand that feeds You. What a disgrace to Srbija
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4 - Page 13 Imsdhy10
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    Post  macedonian Tue May 13, 2014 6:41 pm

    Regular wrote:Don't bite the hand that feeds You. What a disgrace to Srbija
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4 - Page 13 Imsdhy10

    Any details for this?
    Hard to believe that Serbs who claim "Kosovo is Serbia" would say "Krim is Ukraine".
    It's next to impossible. Pro NATO and Pro EU Serbs, yes, by all means, but this lot...IDK - I call BS on that

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    I knew it was fake!
    They've spelt Serbia wrong!

    It's supposed to be: Србија
    Not to mention that they have the Albanian Double-headed Eagle, and not the Serbian one.
    Poor propaganda attempt by the Maidanuts
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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 6:49 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    Regular wrote:Don't bite the hand that feeds You. What a disgrace to Srbija
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4 - Page 13 Imsdhy10

    Any details for this?
    Hard to believe that Serbs who claim "Kosovo is Serbia" would say "Krim is Ukraine".
    It's next to impossible. Pro NATO and Pro EU Serbs, yes, by all means, but this lot...IDK - I call BS on that

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    I knew it was fake!
    They've spelt Serbia wrong!

    It's supposed to be: Србија
    Not to mention that they have the Albanian Double-headed Eagle, and not the Serbian one.
    Poor propaganda attempt by the Maidanuts

    Thugs from all over
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    Post  Intrigado Tue May 13, 2014 6:49 pm

    arpakola wrote:http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.politics&id=1920

    Tsipras blasts EU's Ukraine policy in Moscow

    Tsipras has no chance to get the EC's presidency. It's going to be a battle between the Luxembourger Jean Claude Juncker (EPP) and the German Martin Schulz (PES). Prior to this mess, the Socialists were favourites to gain a relative majority in the EP but it looks like the Populars (widely hated for implementing those imbeciles "austerity measures") are recovering and gaining ground. Schulz expressed many times his option that EU to keep its civil relations with Russia and not go ahead with more sanctions, especially for economic reasons, but the Populars are hard liners about imposing more sanctions to Russia. Personally I hate the EPP's guts and I'm going to go and vote only out of spite for them. But if the US are going to support the Populars, I have a feeling that, as Stalin used to say, it doesn't matter who votes, but who counts the ballot papers.
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    Post  Regular Tue May 13, 2014 6:51 pm

    Thx Macedonian for pointing this out. Smile
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue May 13, 2014 6:52 pm

    Moscow to stop operation of US GPS, introduces ban on rocket engines
    Moscow is banning Washington from using Russian-made rocket engines, which the US has used to deliver its military satellites into orbit, said Russia’s Deputy PM, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries.
    http://inserbia.info/today/2014/05/moscow-to-stop-operation-of-us-gps-introduces-ban-on-rocket-engines/
    Rogozin is PISSED!!

    Note: Weird, RT mobile has full article, but RT website itself hasn't yet. scratch 
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    Post  macedonian Tue May 13, 2014 7:32 pm

    Regular wrote:Thx Macedonian for pointing this out. Smile
    No problem.


    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Moscow to stop operation of US GPS, introduces ban on rocket engines
    Moscow is banning Washington from using Russian-made rocket engines, which the US has used to deliver its military satellites into orbit, said Russia’s Deputy PM, Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries.
    http://inserbia.info/today/2014/05/moscow-to-stop-operation-of-us-gps-introduces-ban-on-rocket-engines/
    Rogozin is PISSED!!

    Note: Weird, RT mobile has full article, but RT website itself hasn't yet. scratch 

    ITAR TASS has it, I've posted it in the Glonass thread.

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    Don't know if true, but on YouTube it's claimed that UKR Army is sending a large convoy in Slavyansk:



    Kinda strange though...sunny and clear in the video...isn't it supposed to be dusk or night there?
    But if true....they are moving some SERIOUS hardware there. Hope the guys in Slavyansk are ready and prepped...
    ...and have serious amounts of RPGs
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    Post  macedonian Tue May 13, 2014 7:54 pm

    Kiev’s court outlaws Russian Bloc party
    TASS wrote: TASS"]KIEV, May 13. /ITAR-TASS/. Kiev’s administrative court has outlawed the party Russian Bloc accusing it of calling to overthrow the constitutional system, the Ukrainian UNN news agency reported on Tuesday.
    The party has ten days to challenges this ban at a higher court instance.
    Link


    Ukraine’s Yatsenyuk evades saying if he supports OSCE roadmap of crisis settlement
    TASS wrote:BRUSSELS, May 13, 20:56 /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine’s parliament-appointed Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has provided no direct answer to the question whether he supported the roadmap on crisis settlement offered by the Swiss presidency in the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). In his words, the settlement plan should be “purely Ukrainian.”

    “A settlement plan should allocate the leading role to Ukraine, it should be a purely Ukrainian plan,” he said on Tuesday at a joint news conference with President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso. “The Ukrainian government is promoting its own roadmap. It has some things in common with the OSCE roadmap but the settlement process should be Ukrainian.”
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    Post  macedonian Tue May 13, 2014 8:07 pm

    Donetsk People’s Republic to form its own army:

    RIA News

    RIA wrote:"Сейчас у нас создается армия. Те незаконные формирования, что все еще находятся на нашей территории после оглашения официальных результатов референдума, являются оккупантами. Они должны покинуть нашу территорию , и это может быть сделано с помощью армии", — сказал Пушилин в прямом эфире латвийской радиостанции Baltkom.

    Google translate:

    Now we have created an army. Those illegal formations that are still on our premises after the announcement of the official results of the referendum are the occupiers. They must leave our territory, and it can be done with the help of the army," - said Pushilin live Latvian radio Baltkom.
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    Post  macedonian Tue May 13, 2014 8:46 pm

    Firebird wrote:Back on topic, you couldnt make this shit up:-
    http://rt.com/business/158660-biden-son-ukraine-company/

    Yes...the only problem with that is most of the shale gas is....IN THE EAST... lol! 


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