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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

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    Post  arpakola Tue May 13, 2014 9:59 pm

    Sent Lvov into darkness

    Don't let them feel safe at home
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed May 14, 2014 1:58 am

    This is not 100% verified info, but apparently the ambush at Kramatorsk was carried out by ex members of the 25th VDV Brigade which have switched sides. The irony is that on the receiving end were soldiers of another Ukr. VDV unit (I think 95th Bgd)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed May 14, 2014 2:50 am

    Please people can we stay on topic?
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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 14, 2014 3:26 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Please people can we stay on topic?

    Indeed..

    Back on topic.. im now more convinced that Russia should not invade ,not yet and just allow the Eastern Regions to fight their
    way for Independence with a little help of Russia weapons ,logistics and a couple of hundreds of special forces undercover. The major
    problem Russia will face is that if they invade Donetsk and Lugansk , The right sector will start attacking and killing Russians in other cities.
    So the Russian army will be forced to invaded more and more cities and in the end they will having tanks in all ukraine,and will had to face civilians pro Kiev too , and there is when all NATO media will start fabricating and staging massacres of the Russian army against pro Kiev civilians. Information that they will use to turn very hostile ,even the neutral ukrainians against Russia and end any possibility for reconciliation.

    Instead Russia should focus in to provide all the logistics and weapons possible to the east ,so that they can defend their zones. if possible to finance the new Police Force and the Local defense army.. through third party persons.. like rich people pro Russia in the eastern zones. Also Russia should provide hundreds of professional cameras to civilians across all eastern Ukraine so that they film what the army is doing.

    A new analizis about Ukraine ,that shows how Victoria nuland was destroyed on US hearings by some
    politicians about their policy in Ukraine..good to see....[ America's Lies On Ukraine]




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    Post  gaurav Wed May 14, 2014 5:36 am

    Can some one here .. Firebird, FP, Arpakola..
    post the link for Donetsk People Republic website..
    I heard it in news.. that they have a separate website of their own.

    If it is there then do post it here.. Cool
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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 8:19 am

    campaigning on Maidan:

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    Won't see this on the BBC or CNN though...
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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 8:30 am

    About the kidnapped Ukr journos in Slavyansk:

    Yury Lelyavsky, Lviv journalist working as a freelance correspondent for ZIK has been released, the latter reports.  As with Serhiy Leftner and Artem Deineha, the release was only announced after Lelyavsky was safely back in Lviv, though he had been freed on May 9.

    The interesting part of that story is:

    Levlyavky wrote:He told ZIK, though not explaining the source of his information, that as far as he knew 90% of the population did support secession from Ukraine.  He said that people are coming in families bringing food to the barricades where they constantly use statements from radical nationalist politicians to wind local people up.

    This is him:
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed May 14, 2014 8:37 am

    macedonian wrote:
    Regular wrote:Don't bite the hand that feeds You. What a disgrace to Srbija
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4 - Page 14 Imsdhy10

    Any details for this?
    Hard to believe that Serbs who claim "Kosovo is Serbia" would say "Krim is Ukraine".
    It's next to impossible. Pro NATO and Pro EU Serbs, yes, by all means, but this lot...IDK - I call BS on that

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    I knew it was fake!
    They've spelt Serbia wrong!

    It's supposed to be: Србија
    Not to mention that they have the Albanian Double-headed Eagle, and not the Serbian one.
    Poor propaganda attempt by the Maidanuts

    Apparently there's some neo-nazi group that supports Bandera and his ideology. They have a FB page. But my guess is that they're a tiny group or it's someone's attempt to counter the regular pro-Russian manifestations in Serbia
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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 8:56 am

    The US ambassador in Sweden is hoping to diversify EU's energy sources (and please read: we want the EU to stop relying on Russia for its energy needs). So he had this to say:

    The United States has worked closely with the EU since 2009 to help prevent another energy crisis in Europe. That year we established the U.S.-EU Energy Council, which has met annually to deepen the transatlantic dialogue on strategic energy issues, foster cooperation on energy policies, and further strengthen research collaboration on sustainable and clean energy technologies.

    The United States has worked diligently with partners in Europe to diversify energy sources.   Last year, a final decision was made to develop a pipeline that will bring 10 billion cubic meters of non-Russian natural gas from Azerbaijan to southern Europe by way of Georgia, Turkey, Greece, and Italy. The implications of the Southern Gas Corridor on European energy security are real.

    You might wander who is the US ambassador to Sweden?
    Well his name is Mark Brzezinski. And if that surname sounds at all familiar - YES he is the son of the renown Russia hater Zbigniew Brzezinski. Blood is thicker than water, I guess...

    And here's the man himself:

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    Now if I was a cynic, I'd say: Why on earth is the US government concerned about EU's energy supply?! I mean they're not concerned with EU's wellfare, unemployment, immigration, and general well being, but: energy, defense and diplomacy - that's a different matter altogether. Couldn't possibly be because they want to control the EU's foreign relations, could it?! Nah, the Americans act out of the goodness of their hearts. Real philanthropists this American lot, aren't they?

    I'm starting to think that *maybe* the first strategic achievement planned by the US was to distance the EU from Russia, and Ukraine was merely of secondary strategic importance. I'll hazard a guess that it *might've* been that the Americans have leaked the Nuland-Pyatt conversation themselves...
    If so, they can call mission accomplished thus far...only thing is though: This has a tremendous blow-back potential.
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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 9:01 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Apparently there's some neo-nazi group that supports Bandera and his ideology. They have a FB page. But my guess is that they're a tiny group or it's someone's attempt to counter the regular pro-Russian manifestations in Serbia

    That particular pic is from 2008.

    And I have a hard time believing that ANY Serbian nationalist group would support Ukraine against Russia.
    Even if there is a Facebook page, I call BS. Maybe an attempt at propaganda made by Maidanuts or the 'West' agitprop.

    No way could a Serb nationalistic group support Ukraine in the open, and not face some SERIOUS consequences by Serbian radical nationalists.
    And I'm not talking verbal abuse here, if you catch my drift...
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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 14, 2014 9:06 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Apparently there's some neo-nazi group that supports Bandera and his ideology. They have a FB page. But my guess is that they're a tiny group or it's someone's attempt to counter the regular pro-Russian manifestations in Serbia

    The US and major neocons allies ..finance Rusophobia in all Europe. Through their NGOs.. People unemployed will be easy to find in
    all europe , to want to join a Nazi group ,even if they don't know whats the purpose of the group or what a NAzi group is supposed to do..
    As long they are paid ,they will support any movement they told. SO IT should be no surprise to find Groups with Nazi symbols and all that that.. albeit with a pro NATO ideology.


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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 9:07 am

    Russian missile ship barred from Israeli port over Ukraine crisis
    Official said Israel strives to maintain neutrality in the big powers’ confrontation over Ukraine.

    Haaretz wrote:Israel denied a request by Moscow to let a Russian missile boat anchor at Haifa a month ago, making the decision against the backdrop of the crisis in Ukraine, said a senior official in Jerusalem involved in the matter.


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    Vann7 wrote:The US and major neocons allies ..finance Rusophobia in all Europe. Through their NGOs.. People unemployed will be easy to find in
    all europe , to want to join a Nazi group ,even if they don't know whats the purpose of the group or what a NAzi group is supposed to do..
    As long they are paid ,they will support any movement they told. SO IT should be no surprise to find Groups with Nazi symbols and all that that.. albeit with a pro NATO ideology.

    Again: I find it VERY HARD to believe that they could do this in Serbia. Not with ultra-nationalists anyway.
    Don't get me wrong, there's much support for NATO, and especially the EU in Serbia. Some proUS/EU groups do in fact support the EU/NATO stance. But ultra-nationalists?! NO WAY! It'll be very painful for them if they do. Quite literally. Smile

    Agreed on the NGOs and the agitprop that the Americans use.
    Just clarifying why there would be no support by Serb nationalists.
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    Post  arpakola Wed May 14, 2014 9:22 am

    http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/tsipras-meets-federal-council-chair-in-moscow
    Welcoming a SYRIZA delegation led by Greece's main opposition leader Alexis Tsipras at Moscow’s Federation Council, Russia's upper house of Parliament, Council Chair Valentina Matvienko on Monday said that Greece is a "strategic partner" for Russia, which is interested in developing Greek-Russian relations in various sectors and directions, at both a bilateral and multilateral level.

    Tsipras replied that the great majority of the Greek people, and SYRIZA, consider Russia to be an inseparable part of the greater Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, and for this reason are in favor of making "an effort to maintain the tradition of warm relations between Greece and Russia".

    He stressed that Greece and Russia are linked with a "tradition of common struggles of our peoples, common religious convictions, with common political and cultural roots in our history," adding that "for this reason we believe that there can be no positive prospects and future for the peoples of Europe, if we do not try to once again build cooperation between our peoples, something that will also bring stability to our continent".

    The SYRIZA leader went on to say that the meeting was taking place at a troubled and crucial time for Europe and Russia, while expressing concern over developments in Ukraine "since the conditions are being created for a new division in the heart of Europe, a regression to the era of the Cold War."

    Tsipras further stressed that "it is a regression for us to see fascism and the neo-Nazis entering European governments again and for this to be accepted by the EU. The possibility of a diplomatic solution being promoted is also one of the targets of our visit, Ukraine must become a bridge between the EU and Russia and not a field of new division."

    Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras to meet the chairperson of the Russia's upper house, Valentina Matviyenko, a firm Putin ally and former ambassador to Greece

    Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras has begun a two-day visit to Moscow, where he is scheduled to meet with senior political leaders.

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    Tsipras, who is the European Left's candidate for European Commission president, is due to meet Valentina Matviyenko, the chairperson of the upper house or Federation Council of the Russian Federation, a firm ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin and was ambassador to Greece in 1997–1998.

    Tsipras travelled to Moscow from Berlin, where he addressed the conference of Germany's Die Linke (Left) party on Saturday. In his speech, the Syriza leader said the removal of "fascist elements" from the Ukrainian government was a precondition for peace.

    "It is absolutely unaccceptable that we have governments right at the heart of Europe with the participation of neonazi elements, as happens in Ukraine. Europe should demand the immediate withdrawal of all fascist elements from all levels of government as a precondition for peace to be restored," he told delegates.

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    On Tuesday, the Syriza leader has arranged meetings with Vladimir Titov, first deputy foreign minister who has responsibility for Russian-European relations; Aleksey Pushkov, the chairman of the State Duma's foreign affairs committee; and Ivan Melnikov, vice-chairman of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and a Duma MP.

    A meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was reportedly cancelled due to the ongoing developments in Ukraine, where rebel referendums were held in the pro-Russian regions of the east over the weekend. According to partial results, 89% of voters in the Donetsk region and about 96% of those in the neighbouring Luhansk province voted for independence in polls that have been condemned by the Ukranian government as a "farce".

    The Syriza delegation includes Nadia Valavani MP, the party's foreign affairs representative in parliament; Yannis Dragasakis, deputy parliamentary speaker and Nikos Kotzias, professor of international relations at the University of Piraeus.

    The party has not revealed what Tsipras expects to raise with the Russian side.

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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 9:30 am

    You guys want some juicy propaganda? Go no further than CNN, that beacon of democracy and free press:

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #4 - Page 14 <a href=The Situation in the Ukraine. #4 - Page 14 Ukrain10"

    "Brainfood for the braindead" should be CNN motto.
    Here's some of the drivel that went with that CNN conducted poll:
    CNN wrote:(CNN) -- Ukrainians are a lot less pro-Russian than separatists there would like the world to believe, even in regions along the border with Russia which are supposedly voting overwhelmingly to declare independence from Ukraine, a new poll for CNN suggests.
    CNN wrote:More than half (56%) said they felt a stronger sense of loyalty to Europe than to Russia, while 19% said they felt more loyal to Russia and 22% said neither. Three percent said they didn't know.

    Seems CNN today is trying hard to mimic Pravda of the USSR days.
    Funny how history works, eh?


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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 14, 2014 9:35 am

    macedonian wrote:   Last year, a final decision was made to develop a pipeline that will bring 10 billion cubic meters of non-Russian natural gas from Azerbaijan to southern Europe by way of Georgia, Turkey, Greece, and Italy. The implications of the Southern Gas Corridor on European energy security are real.

    The Azerbaijan pipeline is not a match for Russia Gas pipelines business to Europe.. Russia provide about 140 billion cubic meters to Europe and that number will increase with the southstream pipeline that will cover all more Russian friendly european states.. like greece ,italy ,Serbia ,Bulgaria, etc..,for what i heard for about the lowest price in market. 10 Billions will hardly make any difference in Europe not be enough for what Ukraine consumes in 1 year. that is about 20 BCm. Then you have the problem of price. The building of the pipeline will have a big cost and the profit too small.

    So far Russia have no competition anywhere in the near future at least until 2020. To move away from Russian gas ,Europe need to spend money and build new pipelines that cost many billions ,and chance its infrastructure for liquid Gas and buy from US/Canada at higher prices. Because there are no pipelines from America to Europe ,and all have to be transported by Hundreds of Cargo Ships .Is a real nightmare that they will not do. But even if they do ,and choose to pay a higher price for Gas , by the time Europe is independent from Russian Gas , Russia already will be selling Gas to China and India ,totally replacing the need of Europe. So in my opinion when China and India start receiving Gas and Oil from Europe , the west will give up with their plans to stop Russian Gas business in Europe. You also have now Russia new market in Oil from the artic ,with nuclear cargo ships transporting directly oil to europe. In short it will be impossible to halt Russian Gas and Oil business , unless a new alternative energy is discovered or a huge gas reserve discovered in Europe ..Russia energy business is too strong ,and too much demand. it will be like trying to stop Microsoft business or Apple.

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    Post  Firebird Wed May 14, 2014 9:47 am

    gaurav wrote:Can some one here .. Firebird, FP, Arpakola..
    post the link for Donetsk People Republic website..
    I heard it in news.. that they have a separate website of their own.

    If it is there then do post it here.. Cool

    Hi gaurav
    This is descibed as the official site.
    http://donetsk-gov.su

    PS I wonder, shouldn't there be a .cis domain or something similar by now?
    Altho they could buy .donetsk, I think.


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    Russia returns Belbek AB MiG-29 '9-13's back to Ukraine:

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    Напомним, что основой группировки ВВС Украины в Крыму была 204-я бригада тактической авиации имени А.И. Покрышкина, дислоцировавшаяся на аэродроме Бельбек близ Севастополя. На вооружении 204-й бригады состояло номинально 46 истребителей МиГ-29 и МиГ-29УБ и четыре модернизированных учебно-тренировочных самолета L-39M1. Боеготовность бригады была крайне низкой, и к началу 2014 года в летном состоянии из ее авиапарка находились только три МиГ-29, один МиГ-29УБ и один L-39M1. В ходе крымских событий 28 февраля 2014 года аэродром Бельбек был взят под контроль "вежливыми людьми", которые перекрыли личному составу 204-й бригады доступ к стоянкам самолетов и вывели из строя все четыре остававшихся исправными истребителя. 22 марта 204-я бригада и все сооружения аэродрома Бельбек окончательно были захвачены российским спецназом.

    С 10 апреля 2014 года, по согласованию с российской стороной, представители ВВС Украины приступили к операции по вывозу своей авиационной техники и имущества из Крыма. Помимо имущества и техники 204-й бригады с аэродрома Бельбек, вывозу подлежат также несколько самолетов МиГ-29 и имущество Государственного авиационного научно-испытательного центра (ГАНИЦ) Украины с аэродрома Кировский вблизи Феодосии.

    Руководство вывозом с украинской стороны осуществляет полковник Ярослав Лерман. Самолеты МиГ-29 вывозятся из Крыма на автомобилях КрАЗ. Каждый самолет расстыковывается и грузится на четыре специальных автомобиля, один из которых перевозит хвостовое оперение, другой крылья, третий фюзеляж, а четвертый - двигатели и снятое оборудование. Разборка истребителей осуществляется остающейся в Бельбеке группой из 28 техников 204-й бригады во главе с заместителем командира бригады по ИАС подполковником Сергеем Черным. Сообщается, что все перемещения украинских военнослужащих и транспорта на аэродроме Бельбек жестко ограничиваются российской стороной, а работы проходят под контролем российских особистов и вооруженных часовых, с полной фиксацией российской стороной на видеозапись. В Кировском все работы по разборке самолетов проводятся присланной группой украинских техников из состава 9-й бригады тактической авиации (аэродром Озерное, Житомирская область), поскольку практически весь технический состав ГАНИЦ либо перешел на службу в Вооруженные силы России, либо уволился.

    Разобранные истребители на автомобилях доставляются на аэродром Кульбакино (Николаев). Первоначально для вывоза самолетов была задействована только одна автоколонна из четырех специальных автомобилей. После вывоза с Бельбека первых трех МиГ-29 для ускорения процесса были подключены еще три такие же автоколонны. В настоящее время из четырех украинских автоколонн три задействованы на маршруте Бельбек - Николаев, а четвертая (командир - старший прапорщик Михаил Богданенко) - на маршруте Кировское - Николаев.

    В репортаже утверждается про плохое техническое состояние возвращаемых Украине истребителей МиГ-29, дополнительно разукомплектовываемых перед передачей российской стороной. Говорится, что с каждого самолета русскими снимается до 11 блоков. http://bmpd.livejournal.com/849404.html


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    Post  arpakola Wed May 14, 2014 10:18 am

    CNN wrote:
    (CNN) -- Ukrainians are a lot less pro-Russian than separatists there would like the world to believe, even in regions along the border with Russia which are supposedly voting overwhelmingly to declare independence from Ukraine, a new poll for CNN suggests.

    so ..
    why they are afraid of referendums ??
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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 10:28 am

    arpakola wrote:
    CNN wrote:
    (CNN) -- Ukrainians are a lot less pro-Russian than separatists there would like the world to believe, even in regions along the border with Russia which are supposedly voting overwhelmingly to declare independence from Ukraine, a new poll for CNN suggests.

    so ..
    why they are afraid of referendums ??

    Because they can't tamper with the results is my guess...

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    An interesting read by the Guardian's Howard Amos:

    Maidan Square activists urged to fight for Ukraine in the east

    Chief of rally's fighting wing aims to co-opt Kiev protesters into battalions opposing pro-Russian rebels

    Interesting parts:

    Guardian wrote:...
    In a government office a few miles up the road the former commander of the protest camp's fighting wing, Andriy Parubiy, is now at the heart of the Kiev's attempts to counter the rebellion in the east. As head of the national security and defence council, he oversees Ukraine's security forces.
    ...
    Parubiy is spearheading attempts to co-opt Maidan activists into volunteer units that will fight alongside police, the army and special forces in the east.

    Billboards across Kiev call for recruits for the re-formed national guard, which already has one battalion of about 400 volunteers deployed around the rebel-held town of Slavyansk.
    ...
    The strategy is not without risk. Some volunteer groups under the official jurisdiction of the interior ministry have been accused of leading the deadly violence in Mariupol and Krasnoarmeisk last week that helped to push local people into the arms of the rebels.
    ...
    While Vlasov feared for his life, others remained on Maidan because they were convinced the uprising had not ended with the removal of Yanukovych and had not yet been completed.

    Read the whole thing
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    Post  macedonian Wed May 14, 2014 10:31 am

    The Odessa Massacre - What REALLY Happened

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    Post  arpakola Wed May 14, 2014 10:44 am





    http://vk.com/dnr_official
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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed May 14, 2014 10:53 am

    http://rt.com/news/158832-un-ukraine-helicopter-scandal/

    UN-Helicopter used in actions against Anti-kiev Protestors.

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    Post  arpakola Wed May 14, 2014 10:59 am

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    http://player.rutv.ru/iframe/video/id/797350/acc_video_id/598402?time_play=28.382&isPlay=true&showPopUpBtn=false&showZoomBtn=true

    http://www.dnrnovosti.com/2014/05/blog-post_7951.html

    В небе над Краматорском появились вертолеты с символикой ООН. Эти боевые машины, по словам ополченцев, принадлежат Национальной гвардии Украины, а логотип Организации Объединенных Наций использовали, судя по всему, для маскировки. Их применяли в бою с отрядами самообороны, передает "Россия 24".
    По словам экспертов, это штурмовые вертолеты, причем, точно такие же ООН действительно порой использовала в миротворческих миссиях, но окрашены они были по-другому.
    Впрочем, есть и версия о том, что эти машины в свое время на самом деле состояли на службе в ООН. В миссии на территории Сьерра-Леоне принимали участие украинские пилоты, которые управляли украинскими же воздушными судами.
    Под Краматорском 13 мая произошли новые боестолкновения между ополченцами и отрядами Нацгвардии. Киевские силовики уже признали, что с их стороны погибли не менее шести человек. Ополчение сообщает, что ему удалось подбить два армейских БТРа. Утром бои были в окрестностях Славянска.
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    Post  arpakola Wed May 14, 2014 11:07 am


    almost out of topic..
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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 14, 2014 11:23 am

    VICE news is a total mystery , they something fabricate reports ,sometimes they do good ones.. seems like the new journalist
    in Ukraine is more neutral than Simon ..and no reporting things as they are..

    A good report of the referendum..



    on a side note.. im somehow impressed how much the Donetsk people have done with so little resources,in terms to maintain the kiev army more or less at distance on top of pulling a referendum with near 3 millions voting. Im without words how could they do it. Perhaps the Pressure of OSCE on kiev to scale down things could have something to do..  After the last VICE report ,it now looks like a real thing ,the creation of a new republic. Im now on the believe they are about to make it.. after all. However still think the end of the war with kiev army is not over. we will see... What i will like to see is all Ukraine in a rebelion against Kiev and NATO totally losing control of it..and at least all Eastern Ukraine and south seeking to join the donetsk republic. That will leave NATO only in control of the western part of Ukraine up to kiev.  Regions like Kharkiv ,Kherson and Odessa ,mariupol , totally in control of the pro Russians. And as a bonus all the border regions close to Russia and all regions near black sea.  And that NATO cannot go further than kiev. And once they control Odessa ,'trasmitia'  in moldova could join Russia federation for once.  Very Happy  Something like that will be a major blow back to the west , Russia moving closer to kiev and in full control of their black sea side.

    a New republic like this..

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    Will be very nice for Russia ,if they choose to join custom unions and have share a common defense as Belarussia do with Russia.



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