The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

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flamming_python wrote:Wonder what the latest on Rogozin is. Stuck in Pridnestrovie still?
Denied transit by both Ukraine and Romania. Gotta say - they made the right choice, albeit not for the right reasons

Man's a professional troll but useless for everything else, at least the Russian state companies have got rid of a sore pain in the butt that doesn't help but only moans.
Point is, he's a lot more useful stuck as a martyr in Tiraspol than he would be for anything back in Russia. Sorry Rogozin, nothing personal. Go ahead and enjoy some Moldovan wine while you're waiting, with any luck you'll be waiting for quite a while. Tnx Romania & Ukraine.

Turned out that it was a blunder - as usual. When Rogozin flew to Tiraspol, he boarded a private plane but he wasn't alone there. Both Romanian and Bulgarian authorities asked who's on board only that, as Rogozin wasn't the only passenger, they didn't quite know how to apply the ban against Rogozin - to ask him to jump off the plane and take a dive in the Black Sea?   I suppose they asked our lords and masters how to do it when Rogozin would head back to Russia and they came up with the solution: close the airspace for Rogozin's plane. Then he took a usual flight from Chisinau to Moscow, crossing the Ukrainian airspace as any passenger - what were they about to do, to shoot down the plane only to keep Rogozin clear of Ukrainian territory?   

Now Rogozin stated he'd board a bomber next time on his way to Tiraspol, which triggered reactions like "Whaaaa...? You take that back, you meanie!" Today I hear that the discussion moved towards vodka and who's the most accomplished drunkard between Rogozin and our scumbag of a President. We like a bit of squabbling and if Russia turns off the gas on us....well, we'd get to remember old dear times.   

Some have said - WHERE ARE THE CROWDS?

I will give you your crowds

Donetsk, school no. 37



Donetsk, Leninskij district, school no. 42


Donetsk, Leninskij district, central elections building


Donetsk, Buddenyovskij district



Donetsk, Shetinina street, elective committee based at a local dentistry


Donetsk, 16A Bagrationova street, elective committee "Prazdnichnaya"


Donetsk


Mariupol, Zhovtennyj district, 12.00 PM


Mariupol, Ordzhonikidze district


Mariupol, Ilichyovskij district executive committee


Mariupol




Severodonetsk


Krasnogorovka, Marinskij district, school. no 5


Dobropole


Khanzhekovo village, Makeyevka outskirts


Moscow




St. Petersburg, 6.00 PM


"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?"

Unfortunately is about the federalization of Ukraine not independence and unification with Russia. Too little too late as they say.

Mariupol







Donetsk



Lugansk (2nd video is the election comittee that is based in the seized SBU building   )



Moscow


Telephone conference with Lisichyansk town representative, some brief footage included


Information blockade in Slovyansk, internet and cell phone access all cut-off. Here's some footage about one of the election committees there being prepared this morning


Krasnoarmejsk, referendum interrupted when Ukrainian National Guard paramilitary forces seized the election committee in the city


Timoshenko raging about the referendum


"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"

Hannibal Barca wrote:Unfortunately is about the federalization of Ukraine not independence and unification with Russia. Too little too late as they say.

Oh good heavens no, you've got it all wrong.

The question on the ballot paper asks each voter about whether they support the sovereignty of the Donetsk republic and thus this and only this - is exactly what the people are voting for; irrespective of anyone's last minute decelerations or opinions.

What happens next and what it will lead to is an open question but once sovereignty has been overwhelmingly affirmed by a huge majority of the local population; anything is possible - ranging from federalization and autonomy within the Ukraine, to full independence, to annexation by Russia.
The whole point is that the local population are empowering, through their vote, the rebel leadership - as the legitimate authority of this territory and with the authority to negotiate, on behalf of the people - with any other sovereign entity be it Kiev, Moscow, Brussels or anyone else.

It is not a vote about the independence of the Donetsk/Lugansk regions, and it never was. In fact this, and all such other future scenarios - are secoundary issues right now, the plan was always to legitimize the rebel authorities and establish Donetsk's and Lugansk's sovereignties and rights to decide their future - while the actual decisions about what that future would be - will come later.

It's something of a twist of fate, about how Mariupol has turned from the one major population centre in the Donetsk or Lugansk regions both that was almost all under the control of the Kiev putschists and military/police forces (with the exception of the city administration building, occupied by a few dozen unarmed activists), to probably now the one major population centre in the Ukraine that is completely free of any Kiev-loyal forces whatsoever and is host to the most intense large concentration of anti-Kiev sentiment.

flamming_python wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:Unfortunately is about the federalization of Ukraine not independence and unification with Russia. Too little too late as they say.

Oh good heavens no, you've got it all wrong.

The question on the ballot paper asks each voter about whether they support the sovereignty of the Donetsk republic and thus this and only this - is exactly what the people are voting for; irrespective of anyone's last minute decelerations or opinions.

What happens next and what it will lead to is an open question but once sovereignty has been overwhelmingly affirmed by a huge majority of the local population; anything is possible - ranging from federalization and autonomy within the Ukraine, to full independence, to annexation by Russia.
The whole point is that the local population are empowering, through their vote, the rebel leadership - as the legitimate authority of this territory and with the authority to negotiate, on behalf of the people - with any other sovereign entity be it Kiev, Moscow, Brussels or anyone else.

It is not a vote about the independence of the Donetsk/Lugansk regions, and it never was. In fact this, and all such other future scenarios - are secoundary issues right now, the plan was always to legitimize the rebel authorities and establish Donetsk's and Lugansk's sovereignties and rights to decide their future - while the actual decisions about what that future would be - will come later.

wow thank you for clarifying this to me! Much appreciated   

In the Sunday, May 11, the People's Militia fighters detained deputy Donbass, Kiev glad presidential candidate Oleh Lyashko. This official said the militia at a rally in front of Mariupol City Council. Note that it is directed Ljashko punitive action to seize the police department in Mariupol on Victory Day on May 9.

flamming_python wrote:It's something of a twist of fate, about how Mariupol has turned from the one major population centre in the Donetsk or Lugansk regions both that was almost all under the control of the Kiev putschists and military/police forces (with the exception of the city administration building, occupied by a few dozen unarmed activists), to probably now the one major population centre in the Ukraine that is completely free of any Kiev-loyal forces whatsoever and is host to the most intense large concentration of anti-Kiev sentiment.

once Donbas situation stabilase and see the first fundamental authority bodies operating  plus the local army ... then this will be  an example and pathway for Harkov , Odessa and perhaps other areas..

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Civilians were shot in Krasnoarmeysk by NG troops that block voting.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXpDdpCIAAN3D_.jpg
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I think voting will soon be over, if it already isn't and I hope people will stay around voting places to protect commissions to count those votes, that naziguard will not attack them in process of counting. Than waiting for results tomorrow.

Turnout and organization was far better than I could have imagined.

Main disappointment for me was that the Zakarpatians didn't rise up today as Petro Getsko (influential leader of one of the Rusyn groups) promised.
Getsko gave Kiev until 11th May to start some dialogue and so on, deadline has now passed and he promised earlier that if the demands weren't to be fulfilled, the locals would kick out the Kiev-loyal forces within 48-72 hours.

Only hope is that they are counting today as part of the deadline. So perhaps tommorow something interesting might happen. But probably not, whole thing was dubious from the start.

flamming_python wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:Unfortunately is about the federalization of Ukraine not independence and unification with Russia. Too little too late as they say.

It is not a vote about the independence of the Donetsk/Lugansk regions, and it never was. In fact this, and all such other future scenarios - are secoundary issues right now, the plan was always to legitimize the rebel authorities and establish Donetsk's and Lugansk's sovereignties and rights to decide their future - while the actual decisions about what that future would be - will come later.

Well, here's the crux of the matter, as far I can say. Not that anyone cares about Ukraine and what happens to its statehood but that borders in Europe and the current status quo after WWII may change as well. Admittedly, US did that first by pulling out of the hat a "Kosovan" nation.

There are many crowds in the Referendum.. for sure the Referendum had participation. BUt...
The problem Continues to be ,the lack of participation of eastern regions every day in rallies. In Mariupol there was only 50 people
Civilians unarmed defending the only building they have. You cannot win your freedom with 50 grandmas holding a building. Ukrainians
Needs to kick very hard their own asses.. get very mad and very upset and start participating every day ,not just in referendums ,so that No longer the Euromaidan nazis or the army can kill them.  If there was a constant Presence of Activism with no less than 5,000 people always in front of a building and many hundreds in every check point with many people armed it will have been next to impossible for the army to do anything. They will be sorrounded and their apc torched with them inside.

And the protest should be not only in the East but all Ukraine.. sadly doesn't look like Russia will have a chance to push away NATO from Ukraine ,they lost ukraine already and forever ,and the 2 regions in eastern Ukraine is not going to make any difference.  Unless Ukrainians do not Stand in the entire Nation and leave aside their pointless patriotism that will kill them ,then their future will be with Neonazis in Power with a very repressive Government and its nation totally in control of western banks. A Sad Future only awaits Ukraine.. and only when Ukrainians wake up and fight back things will change and will retake their nation.

5 Years is the time i give all Ukrainians to really start rebelling against any puppet of the west who is in Power ,once they have no jobs ,no money and their economy is much worse under NATO protection.

I think you're wrong.

This is just another nail in the coffin of a unified Ukraine. The Donbas leadership has stated that first Donetsk and Lugansk will unite as one unit, which will be the nucleus of Novorosija (all SE regions).

IMO, the DNR will soon go on the offensive.

Looks like Russia will recognise the referendum

22:26 GMT:

Russian President Vladimir Putin will formulate his opinion on the referendums on the status of Donetsk and Lugansk regions “based on their results,” spokesman for the president, Dmitry Peskov told Kommersant newspaper. Peskov also clarified that Putin “did not urge, but recommended” for the votes to be postponed, however the spokesman says that “even considering the authority of the Russian President,” it was difficult for Donetsk and Lugansk authorities to follow his recommendation amid Kiev's ongoing military crackdown.

RT

Whither Ukraine? CNN map says in… Pakistan




The American news giant, CNN, has reshaped the world a bit in their live coverage of events in Ukraine. The eastern part of the European country got pinned miles and miles away from where it actually is – in Pakistan.

CNN was reporting Sunday about independence referendums in Ukraine’s eastern regions of Donetsk and Lugansk while also using a map to indicate the country’s geographical location. Apparently by mistake, the arrow with Ukrainian flag on top was pointing to Pakistan, South Asia.

The error was quickly spotted by sharp-eyed viewers, one of whom snapped the TV screen and published the image on Twitter. Quite predictably, the post has gone viral with hundreds of users retweeting the picture and marking it as “favorite”.

Even the fact that instantly after that the channel correctly marked Slavyansk and Donetsk – where CNN journalists are located for coverage – did not save the situation.

This is not the first time CNN has bombed on Twitter with revised maps. Last year, the top US news channel placed Hong-Kong wrong in South America.



Before that, the cable network outraged the Brits after its on-air map relocated their capital London miles to the north-east, in Norfolk.



The Ukraine mistake, however, fits into a pattern. A recent poll revealed that only 16 percent of Americans could correctly identify Ukraine on a map, with the median respondent being about 1,800 miles off. Some people thought Ukraine could be located as far south as Argentina or Australia, or as far north as Finland.

Interestingly enough, those who could not correctly spot the continent where Ukraine is located, were more likely to support American military intervention to resolve the ongoing political crisis in the former Soviet republic.

http://rt.com/news/158252-ukraine-pakistan-cnn-mistake/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Greek origin Olga Kovitidi , with Vlad .. in st Vladimir church (Sevastopole 9th May)

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/2112228/Russische-Geopolitik-auf-der-Krim#/beitrag/video/2112228/Russische-Geopolitik-auf-der-Krim



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Im not shure what happens..
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http://rutube.ru/video/1cc008670b751b5161aec981414ddb02/

Donetsk People's Republic asks Moscow to consider its accession into Russia

http://rt.com/news/158436-donetsk-republic-ask-join-russia/
Donetsk People's Republic has proclaimed itself a sovereign state and has asked Moscow to consider its accession into Russia, the Republic’s council said.

“We, the people of Donetsk, based on results of the May 11 referendum and the declaration of sovereignty of the Donetsk People’s Republic, declare that from now on DPR is now a sovereign state,” Republic Co-Chairman Denis Pushilin said. “Given the will of the people of the Donetsk People's Republic, and in order to restore historical justice, we ask Russia to consider the issue of our republic’s accession into the Russian Federation,” he added.

Earlier on Monday the results of referendums have been announced in Donetsk and Lugansk Regions, showing the majority of voters support self-rule, amid an intensified military operation by Kiev which resulted in several deaths.

Almost 90 percent of voters in Donetsk Region have endorsed political independence from Kiev, the head of the Central Election Commission of the self-proclaimed ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’, Roman Lyagin, announced.

“Counting the ballots proved to be surprisingly easy – the number of people who said ‘no’ was relatively small and there appeared to be only a tiny proportion of spoiled ballots, so we managed to carry out counting quite fast. The figures are as follows: 89.07 percent voted ‘for’, 10.19 percent voted ‘against’ and 0.74 percent of ballots were rendered ineligible,” Lyagin told journalists.

In Lugansk Region 96.2 percent of voters supported the region’s self-rule, according to the final figures announced by the local election commission.
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Поступает информация о том, что начальник Мариупольской милиции организовавший бойню в собственном городе, по приговору народного трибунала таки повешен на осиновом суку, как собственно и ожидалось.

Накануне 9 мая Андрущук, выполняя прямое распоряжение бывшего депутата нелегитимной Верховной рады О. Ляшко (глава пробандеровской "Радикальной партии", в 1993-96 гг. - осужден на 6 лет за хищение госимущества), попытался отдать приказ своим подчненным о разгоне с применением огнестрельного оружия демонстраций горожан 9 мая. После отказа милиционеров выполнить преступный приказ Андрущук выстрелил в одного из сослуживцев, закрылся в своем кабинете и вызвал по рации на подмогу отряд Национальной гвардии.
Нацгвардейцы расстреляли здание УВД из крупнокалиберных пулеметов и гранатометов, в результате чего было убито более 20 милиционеров. В ходе начавшейся после этого стрельбы по возмущенным мирным жителям Мариуполя погибло еще более 15 человек, 17 горожан и милиционеров находятся в настоящее время в реанимации городской больницы.
Палач Мариуполя повешен на осине
Самого Андрущука нацгвардейцы вытащили из кабинета горящего УВД, но горожане, буквально голыми руками, отбили и избили его.
"Народный суд", как чрезвычайный юридический орган на правах военного трибунала, приговорил Андрущука Валерия Николевича к ВМН. Приговор приведен в исполнение на осине в лесополосе на северной окраине гор. Мариуполь бойцами батальона "Памяти 2 мая" Луганской Народной армии.

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Rightly so ....

In the Zhytomyr region of two army units fled hundred soldiers

Now back to Ukraine:


Ukraine crisis: Germany launches fresh diplomatic bid

BBC wrote:Germany's Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier has arrived in Kiev amid fresh attempts to find a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis.

On Monday, pro-Russia activists in the east declared a separate state which wanted to join Russia after holding votes on self-rule on Sunday.
Earlier, a separatist leader called on Russia to "absorb" the eastern Ukrainian region of Donetsk.
Kiev, the US and EU say the referendums in Donetsk and Luhansk were illegal.
Moscow annexed Ukraine's southern autonomous republic of Crimea in March following a controversial referendum.
The Ukrainian government in Kiev fears a similar outcome in Donetsk, Luhansk and parts of southern Ukraine.

BBC wrote:Mr Steinmeier, who attended a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels on Monday, reiterated that he considers the referendums illegal, adding: "We cannot, and must not, take it seriously."

His spokesman, Martin Schaefer, said Tuesday's trip was to support a national "round table" under the auspices of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). The OSCE later issued a statement saying Russian President Vladimir Putin was "supportive" of its roadmap to defuse the crisis in Ukraine.
Mr Steinmeier has engaged in months of diplomacy over the crisis while German Chancellor Angela Merkel has held repeated phone calls with President Putin.

BBC Article

I don't really know what to make of this. Don't really trust the Krouts to be honest, but they might just come to their senses, seeing how the US policy will have really bad repercussions on the EU, and especially Germany. So I'm cautiously optimistic. Won't be holding my breath for some sort of breakthrough though.

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Acting president Turchynov reacts negatively to the notion that Russian might be an official language in Ukraine. (at 1:15 of the video)