Project 21631: Buyan-M missile ship

George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines for small missile ships of the project 21631

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1813976.html

This is sort of sad.

Militarov wrote:
This is sort of sad.

Yes, but better than nothing pending availability of Russian designed ones....

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines for small missile ships of the project 21631

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1813976.html

This is sort of sad.

Ooh god, i am quite familiar with Chinese engines, at best they are very maintenance heavy.

AlfaT8 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines for small missile ships of the project 21631

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1813976.html

This is sort of sad.

Ooh god, i am quite familiar with Chinese engines, at best they are very maintenance heavy.

Well, i shall say that we had field power generators that had Chinese engines, even to they were built for certain German company they did not really impress.

archangelski wrote:

Militarov wrote:
This is sort of sad.

Yes, but better than nothing pending availability of Russian designed ones....

Yeah, 2018-2019. at the best is not really short period.

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines for small missile ships of the project 21631

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1813976.html

This is sort of sad.

Not sadder than Chinese stealth fighter projects running on Russian engines.  It's for a tiny, cheap, mass-produced corvette. Chinese engines make sense without the need to re-invent the wheel and just like many USSR ships used to be foreign-made. PLAN corvette fleet is one of a kind globally, built-up in just the past 4 years (30 vessels iirc), so they must be doing something right (i.e. copying MTU designs ).

KiloGolf wrote:

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines for small missile ships of the project 21631

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1813976.html

This is sort of sad.

Not sadder than Chinese stealth fighter projects running on Russian engines.  It's for a tiny, cheap, mass-produced corvette. Chinese engines make sense without the need to re-invent the wheel and just like many USSR ships used to be foreign-made. PLAN corvette fleet is one of a kind globally, built-up in just the past 4 years (30 vessels iirc), so they must be doing something right (i.e. copying MTU designs   ).

See how i look at it. I am not saying that Chinese engines are horrid or genuinely bad (even tho i doubt they come close to German counterparts). Russia tends to consider itself second most powerful military in the world, and likes to call own technical designs as "having no equal in the world". Russia is biggest country in the world, in top 15 in terms of population, top 5 in natural resources of all types... Now lets think about it for a moment, why in the name of God such country would not produce diesel engines in that very popular class, which has good sale options not only for domestic but also export customers.

Imo there is no real way to justify such country to rely on foreign technology, especially on contract like these "Buy to install", even worse in case of something (fairly) simple as diesel engines. Licence production and buyoff of know-how i however can understand. Yes, there were 10 hard years in Russia post USSR disappearance and industry fell in deep canal, but still, crucial technologies and companies had to be saved. It reminds me alot of Serbia tbh, foreign companies buying our engine plants, shipyards, tool making companeis and then they would just close them so they can have free market for their own products, or start production of something unrelated and useless. Now we cant produce a pencil in this country.

It sort of hurts knowing that small Finland has Wärtsilä, one of the major world maritime engine suppliers (and one of the best we can add).

Well, I have seen various types of Russian engines for ship but read it will take some time. How long though? 2017 the earliest.

Another Buyan-M corvette entered service

sepheronx wrote:Another Buyan-M corvette entered service

Zelenodolsk Shipyard is really getting the job done.

Once they are done with Buyans they should be given contract for full sized corvettes. Definitely faster than crowd in Kaliningrad.

Hell, if they can fit them into dry dock might as well get them to build frigates.

I think Zelenodolsk should build 3 more Buyan-M corvettes for Caspian flotilla.

medo wrote:I think Zelenodolsk should build 3 more Buyan-M corvettes for Caspian flotilla.

No need, by that time 22800 Karakurt will be in full production so they can go with that. It is Buyan replacement after all.

Sdelanounas link is dead and can't find it. Sometimes happens, dunno though. Wonder if I should just trash article or keep it and update it later?

Edit: I decided to change it to Rumored since the link is dead and mentioned ill update it later.

Even if its launched, thats still about 8mths from Service (assuming same timeline as the last 2)...

Sepheronx,

I suggest you remove that info you posted.

That corvette is not ready.
It still does not have engines (German MTU diesels that are under sanctions).

The shipyard is waiting for Chinese or Russian Diesels.

Removed it. Yeah, when it's removed from Sdelanounas, raises a red flag.

Wait a minute. Vyshny Volochyok has been launched. I doubt they would do that without the engines.

Here it is.

Aren't the engines domestically produced in Saint Petersburg ?

I thought they would fit either Russian Zvezda M507 or Chinese copy of MTU, both of which are more or less available almost instantly.

I'll hold off till more details follows. Better than speculation imo.

Article I'll rewrite it, but instead of certainties, I'll just wait till concrete proof.

ult wrote:Wait a minute. Vyshny Volochyok has been launched. I doubt they would do that without the engines.

Here it is.

Look carefully.

The previous units were launched with the 100mm gun and most radars already fitted. This one is still a bare bones ship.

My guess is that construction has been halted on it until the engines arrive. They may have placed it in water to clear space in the shipyard.
It will have to go back in to have the engines and other stuff fitted and then only officially launched.

"Serpukhov" passes through Turkish straits this morning.