That's why New Zealand will never rule the world
Wouldn't want to even if it was possible.
Really don't want any one country to be in such a dominant position as to be able to believe they can either... it is called a dictatorship when it happens though when the dictator is the US that is not what they call it.
So in other words if the pro-American dogs of West Ukraine decide to join EU, join NATO and use MOTOR SICH and ANTONOV and Ukrainian soil to harm and if possible submit Russia then the best Russia should do is to advice Russians in Ukraine to leave their homes and settle somewhere in Siberia where there is plenty of land in abundance and probably let the food hot in the oven to welcome uncle Sam's soldiers.
The Ukraine is a new country and they have to decide for themselves what they want.
You are thinking too short term... if Russia exerts effort then it will be Russias fault... let them join the EU and experience what it is like to be dictated to by Brussels. I rather think Brussels will be less flexible and understanding than Moscow... keep in mind that Moscow knows the Ukrainian people rather better than those westerners... westerners who are likely keen to secure some farm land to grow food for a large population... of course when western companies move in and buy up farm land the land will likely be more productive than it has ever been but the Ukraine will see little of the wealth unless they invest in them too... and they have too few funds as it is.
It may just be a losing battle and it may be in Russia's best interest to watch the country burn from outside.
I don't think any pro Russians want to see the Ukraine burn or split... but they hopefully realise that they can't drag it around by its nose ring now that it is an independent state.
Let the child make its own decisions and learn from its own mistakes... unless it gets some experience with the EU then the grass will always look greener to the west.
BTW all the former soviet republics including Russia are still children when it comes to getting back on their feet like they are today, and I would suggest that the west has no business coming in and pretending to be an ambivalent helpful adult offering unbiased guidance... it is more like the movie home alone where the only adults are not interested in the child left alone at home... they are interested in exploiting the mineral and material wealth the parents left behind.
Same with Antonov, nobody wants their An-148, they sure as hell don't want the An-70 competing with the A-400.
Some European countries might be interested in the An-70 as a cheaper and better transport than the A-400M but at the end of the day the An-70 would be killed by those with a vested interest in the A-400M...
For me it would be like hostage thanking it's captor. But I can thank Russia for swift military withdrawal with no provocations. I can thank for weapons they left for our newly formed military. Biggest thank goes for border demarcation as Kaliningrad bit is tricky one. I can thank for giving our capital back from Poland too.
But I can't blame Russians. Before that Poland annexed our capital, Germany took over port city and the government while had army that was willing to fight, they ordered to surrender and then fled. It if it wasn't Red army, it would be someone else marching our streets. Victims weren't saints too.
Most Eastern Europeans seem to think of being hostages in relation to Russia... even though it was the Soviets that held the keys and it was communists of their own countries that locked the doors.
They often ignore that the iron curtain was a military and economic and political blockade of the entire eastern block so the captors were locked in the very same prison and often lived in conditions no better and sometimes worse than the so called hostages.
The treatment of communist China showed it was not actually about communism... the real problem was that Russia and the Soviet Union was seen as an imperial threat to the imperial west... what if they threaten our ties to our resources world wide? We might not enjoy such a high living standard... the west will invade a country and kill people just to keep the price of fuel below a certain level... but the hostages idolise the west and couldn't wait to join NATO and go to Afghanistan to kill people... saving democracy again...
If Russia's hand is so much better than Europe to this struggle then what exactly you afraid of?
And why Europe is still on the fight?
And why if Americans have no grip in the matter should win half Ukraine for free?
Why do crap products that do you harm remain on sale in shops?
How does Coke and Pepsi remain in business?
You don't have to be right to sway opinion, you just need access to the right people and influence them by assuring them they will benefit and they will likely drag the population against its will to anywhere.
Look at the west and Saddams WMDs?
Afterwards they might even admit they were wrong and that joining Russian economic groupings might have been a better idea but at least the Ukraine is now part of the EU and NATO and is so much more democratic now that Brussels has installed a temporary nominated government to rule over the Ukraine while the assets and resources are stripped... oops while the rule of law is restored and democracy is made more solid.
OK just watched the press conference. It is sealed. Russia will "adopt" Ukraine backed -obviously- by China's economic mighty.
Indeed, the Eastern superpowers will not profit financially by this, but is an important intermediate step securing your status while you work towards the conclusive resolution of European Union.
All of the Ukraines neighbours will benefit from a stable and growing Ukrainian economy... including Russia.
A Ukraine that turns its back on its largest trading neighbour was not going to succeed on its own and I doubt the EU countries want to make it "U PIGS".
Yay, more propping up of the failed Ukrainian economy.
Investing in the Ukraine means you are betting they will recover and start to grow and be able to pay back the debt... it is a gamble and may be written off, but an unstable Ukraine would be a bad neighbour.
Hopefully in time, America's foreign policy will mature in regards the modern Russia, and Cold War nonsense will end.
The only two things that would kill US nonsense attitude to Russia would be the collapse of Russia and dramatic growth of China as one thing where it would pretty much be a reverse of the cold war alliance with china against Russia, or an alien invasion where the US would accept the help of anyone... even the French.
So I wonder, if China is Russia's ally in sorting the Ukraine out, what will China expect back, if this cooperation is to have a long term validity?
China is investing all around the world.
They are buying farm land in New Zealand, so I would expect they will be buying up enormous tracts of farmland in the Ukraine too so they can produce food and export it to China.
Because I SINCERELY doubt, that those money would be given to Ukraine just for free.
The Russian funds seem to be buying up Ukrainian debt and presumably reducing the burden on the Ukrainian economy. The reduction in energy prices should also ease the burden of the Ukrainian people and Ukrainian industry, and is far better for the Ukraine than any EU or IMF offer that will likely include hard to take austerity measures that will not make things better for the people and industry of the Ukraine... but actually make things worse.
BIG. Question is, what UA actually offered?
Maybe the prospect of having a neighbour that doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds is worth the investment.
If they have an election and some EU stooge gets in then Russia can demand repayment of debt... would the EU pay? I doubt it could afford to.
Personally I think this is about Russia helping its neighbour and hoping that this favour gives returns in the future.
For instance if the west had genuinely tried to help Russia out of the hole it was in in the 1990s there might have been rather more good will from the Russian side towards the west. Instead the west descended like vultures and tried to pick the corpse... which Russians remember and resent today... and for the foreseeable future.
Most western members of the public just thought they were helping the Russians and didn't see the pain and suffering of the 1990s and think Russia owes the west for "saving it from communism".
But without new ships. And the issue is not related to Sevastopol but to the entire BSF asset (Novorossiysk would be the same).
Don't understand... the Russians can base any new ships they like at Novorossiysk.