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Israel Politics and News Thread
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At least 15 bullets in a car: reported that the victim in Tel Aviv could have been a high-ranking Mossad officer
The network is discussing information that was published in the Middle East media.
We are talking about the murder of a man in Tel Aviv. International interest in this news arose in connection with the fact that in a number of media outlets it is alleged that the victim was one of the high-ranking officers of the Israeli intelligence structures.
So, the Iranian media write that we are talking about a man named Fahmi Hinawi, who was part of the ruling circles of the Mossad.
According to the latest information, at least 15 bullets were fired at the car in which this man was. The shelling took place at the moment when the car stopped at one of the intersections, waiting for a green traffic light.
At the moment, representatives of the Israeli authorities and security agencies have not published any official comments on the news of a possible assassination attempt on a representative of the Mossad command.
A number of publications note that if one of the high-ranking officers of the Mossad was really killed, then this could become the very "point response" from Iran to the elimination of nuclear physicist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh in the Tehran suburbs. Recall that Fakhrizade was killed a few days earlier, and then an attack on a car was also committed. First, shooting began, and then an explosion thundered.
Earlier, the Western press expressed satisfaction that "Iran did not respond to the murder of a scientist by force."
NOTE: posted here for lack of better thread.
The network is discussing information that was published in the Middle East media.
We are talking about the murder of a man in Tel Aviv. International interest in this news arose in connection with the fact that in a number of media outlets it is alleged that the victim was one of the high-ranking officers of the Israeli intelligence structures.
So, the Iranian media write that we are talking about a man named Fahmi Hinawi, who was part of the ruling circles of the Mossad.
According to the latest information, at least 15 bullets were fired at the car in which this man was. The shelling took place at the moment when the car stopped at one of the intersections, waiting for a green traffic light.
At the moment, representatives of the Israeli authorities and security agencies have not published any official comments on the news of a possible assassination attempt on a representative of the Mossad command.
A number of publications note that if one of the high-ranking officers of the Mossad was really killed, then this could become the very "point response" from Iran to the elimination of nuclear physicist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh in the Tehran suburbs. Recall that Fakhrizade was killed a few days earlier, and then an attack on a car was also committed. First, shooting began, and then an explosion thundered.
Earlier, the Western press expressed satisfaction that "Iran did not respond to the murder of a scientist by force."
NOTE: posted here for lack of better thread.
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- Post n°28
Re: Israel Politics and News Thread
Some 20 Israelis sold missile technologies illegally to an "Asian country".
https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-israelis-suspected-of-illegally-making-selling-missiles-to-asian-nation/
That unnamed Asian country is China.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-israelis-suspected-of-illegally-making-selling-missiles-to-asian-nation/
That unnamed Asian country is China.
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- Post n°29
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China already has such missile. It could be North Korea. Other Asian nations can buy such things directly to Israel. It look like loitoring drones.
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China also has fighter aircraft and yet they buy Su 35s from Russia in order to reverse engineer Russian products.Isos wrote:China already has such missile. It could be North Korea. Other Asian nations can buy such things directly to Israel. It look like loitoring drones.
Israel has a history of selling weapons to China both on and off the record.
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They buy what they don't have to copy the technology. The missile they show on picture are simple and already build in China.
On the other hand north koreans would love to have a loitoring munitions.
On the other hand north koreans would love to have a loitoring munitions.
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- Post n°32
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Big blast at rocket factory .
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- Post n°33
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It's kicking off in Israel/Palestine
Hmas issued an ultimatum for the Israelis to withdraw from Al Aqsa mosque and Sheikh Jarrah area. There were protests and riots in the area for days already, presumably over new settler landgrabs
First rocket salvos have been fired
ATGM strike by Islamic Jihad/ al Qassam Brigades (unclear)
https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1391776354241323008
https://mobile.twitter.com/LebUpdate/status/1391773867727859723
Crowds cheering in Jerusalem as the rockets fly overhead
https://mobile.twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1391774140336648198
More rockets
https://mobile.twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1391775749259026435
Knesset evacuated, military drills suspended, public bomb shelters have been opened in Southern Israel.
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1391774074955763722
Hmas issued an ultimatum for the Israelis to withdraw from Al Aqsa mosque and Sheikh Jarrah area. There were protests and riots in the area for days already, presumably over new settler landgrabs
First rocket salvos have been fired
ATGM strike by Islamic Jihad/ al Qassam Brigades (unclear)
https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1391776354241323008
https://mobile.twitter.com/LebUpdate/status/1391773867727859723
Crowds cheering in Jerusalem as the rockets fly overhead
https://mobile.twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1391774140336648198
More rockets
https://mobile.twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1391775749259026435
Knesset evacuated, military drills suspended, public bomb shelters have been opened in Southern Israel.
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1391774074955763722
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- Post n°34
Re: Israel Politics and News Thread
This whole thing will just fizzle out soon same as always
It's like Korea, we all know they are just dickwaiving and everyone stopped giving a **** decades ago
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- Post n°35
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PapaDragon wrote:
This whole thing will just fizzle out soon same as always
It's like Korea, we all know they are just dickwaiving and everyone stopped giving a **** decades ago
Na shit's getting real
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- Post n°36
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PapaDragon wrote:
This whole thing will just fizzle out soon same as always
It's like Korea, we all know they are just dickwaiving and everyone stopped giving a **** decades ago
If by fizzling out you are holding this current round of fighting to Middle East standards then yes maybe
But will be interesting to see if Hamas has adapted better to the realities on the ground by adopting Hezbollah style tactics
Preliminary conclusions
* Hamas is using the early stages of a conflict to exhaust Israeli Air defense systems by using its pimped up firework rockets
* Hamas can overwhelm Iron Dome by sending large barrages of (heavy) rockets to a certain target
* Hamas wil likely not be willing to see Gazan infrastructure be completely destroyed a thirs/fourth time
(they issued an ultimatum yesterday and then issued another one this afternoon, very weak)
* Israel seems to be holding back in its response
* Everything as expected on the world stage
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137 rockets fired towards Ashkelon in ~5 minutes
https://mobile.twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1392088471024635904
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1392075969465290753
First Israeli casualties
https://mobile.twitter.com/ynetnews/status/1392096949646540804
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- Post n°37
Israeli political situation
Thought it worth a thread of its own as its all change by the look of it as Israel heads towards the unknown, both in terms of the new political situation and relationships with the Palestinians.
Woe, just wow. The plans of Netanyahu are now dust, his era is over, next stop his trial and the risk of jail on the horizon.
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JUST IN - PM Netanyahu ousted as Lapid and Bennett agree on cabinet formation, according to Israeli media.
Bennett will serve first as PM until 2023 when Lapid will take over until 2025. Swearing-in to take place in 10 days, following an announcement of the new government (JPost)
Woe, just wow. The plans of Netanyahu are now dust, his era is over, next stop his trial and the risk of jail on the horizon.
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JUST IN - PM Netanyahu ousted as Lapid and Bennett agree on cabinet formation, according to Israeli media.
Bennett will serve first as PM until 2023 when Lapid will take over until 2025. Swearing-in to take place in 10 days, following an announcement of the new government (JPost)
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- Post n°38
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JohninMK wrote:Thought it worth a thread of its own as its all change by the look of it as Israel heads towards the unknown, both in terms of the new political situation and relationships with the Palestinians.
Woe, just wow. The plans of Netanyahu are now dust, his era is over, next stop his trial and the risk of jail on the horizon.
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JUST IN - PM Netanyahu ousted as Lapid and Bennett agree on cabinet formation, according to Israeli media.
Bennett will serve first as PM until 2023 when Lapid will take over until 2025. Swearing-in to take place in 10 days, following an announcement of the new government (JPost)
This is the second time Netanyahu pulled this kind of stunt. When the opposition tried to make a coalition government with the Arabs against him several years back he just caused a major conflict in the Gaza Strip and rallied most of the population behind him. He even built that stupid wall turning Gaza into an open air prison. He thought he could just repeat the same thing again this time. Well, it seems he failed. I would not be surprised if there was a lot of backroom dealing here we never heard anything about.
You should remember that before Hamas started the missile artillery barrages they used an anti-tank missile against an Israeli target. I suspect that is why Israel this time did not sent the tanks in. Well that and the fact that Hezbollah might take the chance to attack them at the same time.
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Netanyahu: Israel would risk 'friction' with US over Iran
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday he's prepared to risk tension with the US if that is what it takes to neutralize Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Tel Aviv: The embattled premier, whose political future is in question just 11 days out from a bruising war, said Israel's biggest threat remains the possibility of a nuclear-armed Iran.
He said Israel is prepared to prevent that from happening even if the United States and other nations succeed in reinstating the 2015 Iran nuclear accord.
"If we have to choose, I hope it doesn't happen, between friction with our great friend the United States and eliminating the existential threat — eliminating the existential threat” wins, Netanyahu said.
He spoke at a ceremony for David Barnea, the new chief of Israel''s Mossad spy agency.
Iran has accused Israel of being behind a number of attacks killing Iranian nuclear scientists or sabotaging Iranian nuclear facilities.
Netanyahu's comments come amid ongoing talks in Vienna between nations seeking to update and reinstate the 2015 agreement, in line with President Joe Biden''s campaign promise. His predecessor, Republican President Donald Trump, pulled the U.S. out of the accord in 2018 and imposed sanctions on the Islamic Republic.
The deal places curbs on Iranian nuclear activities in exchange for relief from crippling economic sanctions.
Netanyahu staunchly opposes the agreement, arguing that it does not have enough safeguards to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
Israel also says the deal must address Iran's support for militant groups, its military actions across the region and its development of long-range missiles capable of striking Israel.
Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only and says the nuclear deal should be reinstated without any changes.
Netanyahu spoke about Iran on Tuesday as his rivals in the Knesset huddled to try to form a coalition government that would end Netanyahu's 12-year rule.
The developments come amid a fragile truce between Israel and Hamas'' militant rulers in the Gaza Strip after a brutal 11-day war that killed more than 250 people, most of them Palestinian.
Hamas, which opposes Israel's right to exist and is considered a terrorist group by Israel, the U.S. and other Western countries, receives millions of dollars of military aid from Iran each year.
https://www.dtnext.in/News/TopNews/2021/06/01225123/1298106/Netanyahu-Israel-would-risk-friction-with-US-over-.vpfa
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Pegasus’ Maker Reportedly Got Extensive Support From Israeli Government in Selling Spyware Abroad, by Ilya Tsukanov for Sputniknews. 20.07.2021.
The Israeli security software maker is at the center of an international scandal after media investigations revealed that at least 50,000 phones, including those of 600+ senior politicians and officials and hundreds of journalists, had been targeted by its military-grade spyware.
The Israeli government was heavily involved in pushing NSO Group’s Pegasus software to foreign state clients, and even intervened directly in situations where the cybersecurity giant showed hesitation to do so, Israel’s Haaretz newspaper has reported, citing half-a-dozen officials and businesspeople said to be familiar with the situation.
Unnamed executives from Israel’s ‘offensive cyber industry’ told the newspaper that the Israeli government heavily lobbied for its cyberweapons firms, especially NSO Group, during now former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s formal state visits and secret trips to other countries, with company representatives believed to have secretely accompanied him during some of the outings.
NSO Group would not have been able to sell its products, whose export is regulated by the Defence Ministry, to countries like Saudi Arabia, with which Israel has no formal diplomatic relations, unless Tel Aviv allowed them to do so.
One senior official told the newspaper that “Israel marked Saudi Arabia as a strategic target” for an aggressive spyware marketing campaign in 2017, with Tel Aviv reportedly considering Riyadh to be a ‘moderate’ force in the Arab world and actively seeking to exacerbate the Gulf kingdom’s tensions with regional rival Iran, which is also a key strategic adversary of Israel's.
“This is a project that the Defence Ministry was involved in, the desire was to coddle and indulge the Saudis of our capabilities,” the official said in reference to the campaign. “That’s how Cellebrite and NSO got to sign such big deals with the Saudis,” the source added. Cellebrite is a cybersecurity hardware maker which produces devices capable of cracking phones, and reportedly inked a major contract with Saudi Arabia’s police forces.
A second senior official said Israel sought to “arm the Saudis” with its spyware tech, including Pegasus, amid Tel Aviv’s quiet efforts to normalize relations with Riyadh and other Gulf sheikdoms.
A third official, who also requested that their identity be withheld, told the newspaper that Saudi Arabia deserved Israeli help via spyware sales amid “serious threats from Iran and its different terror cells and proxies.”
Just Business
One person said to be present at a 2017 tech event in Cyprus where NSO Group demonstrated its products recalled the company’s showcasing of its zero-click hack capability to Saudi officials, during which a freshly-bought iPhone was hacked using only its phone number. “They went to discuss it amongst themselves. You don’t need to know Arabic to understand that they were in awe and super excited from what they saw – it was clear that this was what they were looking for,” the person said.
Riyadh reportedly went on to purchase NSO software in a $50 million multi-year deal.
One of the officials indicated that the outsized power of Israel’s cyber industry in proportion to the country itself gives it a “relative advantage” which it could trade with other intelligence services.
A CEO from an unnamed Israeli company told the newspaper that there were times when the government openly pressured companies to sign contracts to export their offensive cybersecurity capabilities abroad. In one instance, the businessman said, the United Arab Emirates offered his/her company $40 million for its cyber solutions. The company refused, only to have an Emirate representative ask whether it would “help” if they talked to “Bibi” Netanyahu about the request.
Another businessman said an official acting on behalf of the Israeli government had asked them to “take the deal” with one country because “it helps Israel’s security.”
Responding to the newspaper’s reporting, the Israeli Defence Ministry confirmed that the government was “in charge of overseeing the sale of cyber tools from Israel,” and added that “a number of considerations” are taken into account, among them defence and security deliberations, as well as diplomatic and strategic ones, when it comes to military exports.
The ministry maintained however that “Israel authorizes sales of cyber tools only to official state organs and law enforcement agencies that are committed to make use of it according to the terms of fighting terrorism or serious crimes.” Such a commitment, it said, is “stipulated in terms of use.” The ministry further stated that “the state of Israel does not have access to the information and data collected by NSO’s clients.”
NSO Group has similarly suggested that its software is made strictly for the purposes of fighting crime and terrorism, that its products have saved “tens of thousands” of lives, and has offered a blanket rejection of the wave of reporting on the potential illegal use of its products.
Sources speaking to The Guardian partially corroborated the statements made by Haaretz’s state and business sources, with anonymous sources telling the British newspaper that Saudi Arabia was temporarily cut off from being allowed to use Pegasus in 2018 after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, but had its access to the software restored in 2019 following pressure from the Israeli government.
https://sputniknews.com/world/202107201083425175-pegasus-maker-reportedly-got-extensive-support-from-israeli-government-in-selling-spyware-abroad/
The Israeli security software maker is at the center of an international scandal after media investigations revealed that at least 50,000 phones, including those of 600+ senior politicians and officials and hundreds of journalists, had been targeted by its military-grade spyware.
The Israeli government was heavily involved in pushing NSO Group’s Pegasus software to foreign state clients, and even intervened directly in situations where the cybersecurity giant showed hesitation to do so, Israel’s Haaretz newspaper has reported, citing half-a-dozen officials and businesspeople said to be familiar with the situation.
Unnamed executives from Israel’s ‘offensive cyber industry’ told the newspaper that the Israeli government heavily lobbied for its cyberweapons firms, especially NSO Group, during now former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s formal state visits and secret trips to other countries, with company representatives believed to have secretely accompanied him during some of the outings.
NSO Group would not have been able to sell its products, whose export is regulated by the Defence Ministry, to countries like Saudi Arabia, with which Israel has no formal diplomatic relations, unless Tel Aviv allowed them to do so.
One senior official told the newspaper that “Israel marked Saudi Arabia as a strategic target” for an aggressive spyware marketing campaign in 2017, with Tel Aviv reportedly considering Riyadh to be a ‘moderate’ force in the Arab world and actively seeking to exacerbate the Gulf kingdom’s tensions with regional rival Iran, which is also a key strategic adversary of Israel's.
“This is a project that the Defence Ministry was involved in, the desire was to coddle and indulge the Saudis of our capabilities,” the official said in reference to the campaign. “That’s how Cellebrite and NSO got to sign such big deals with the Saudis,” the source added. Cellebrite is a cybersecurity hardware maker which produces devices capable of cracking phones, and reportedly inked a major contract with Saudi Arabia’s police forces.
A second senior official said Israel sought to “arm the Saudis” with its spyware tech, including Pegasus, amid Tel Aviv’s quiet efforts to normalize relations with Riyadh and other Gulf sheikdoms.
A third official, who also requested that their identity be withheld, told the newspaper that Saudi Arabia deserved Israeli help via spyware sales amid “serious threats from Iran and its different terror cells and proxies.”
Just Business
One person said to be present at a 2017 tech event in Cyprus where NSO Group demonstrated its products recalled the company’s showcasing of its zero-click hack capability to Saudi officials, during which a freshly-bought iPhone was hacked using only its phone number. “They went to discuss it amongst themselves. You don’t need to know Arabic to understand that they were in awe and super excited from what they saw – it was clear that this was what they were looking for,” the person said.
Riyadh reportedly went on to purchase NSO software in a $50 million multi-year deal.
One of the officials indicated that the outsized power of Israel’s cyber industry in proportion to the country itself gives it a “relative advantage” which it could trade with other intelligence services.
A CEO from an unnamed Israeli company told the newspaper that there were times when the government openly pressured companies to sign contracts to export their offensive cybersecurity capabilities abroad. In one instance, the businessman said, the United Arab Emirates offered his/her company $40 million for its cyber solutions. The company refused, only to have an Emirate representative ask whether it would “help” if they talked to “Bibi” Netanyahu about the request.
Another businessman said an official acting on behalf of the Israeli government had asked them to “take the deal” with one country because “it helps Israel’s security.”
Responding to the newspaper’s reporting, the Israeli Defence Ministry confirmed that the government was “in charge of overseeing the sale of cyber tools from Israel,” and added that “a number of considerations” are taken into account, among them defence and security deliberations, as well as diplomatic and strategic ones, when it comes to military exports.
The ministry maintained however that “Israel authorizes sales of cyber tools only to official state organs and law enforcement agencies that are committed to make use of it according to the terms of fighting terrorism or serious crimes.” Such a commitment, it said, is “stipulated in terms of use.” The ministry further stated that “the state of Israel does not have access to the information and data collected by NSO’s clients.”
NSO Group has similarly suggested that its software is made strictly for the purposes of fighting crime and terrorism, that its products have saved “tens of thousands” of lives, and has offered a blanket rejection of the wave of reporting on the potential illegal use of its products.
Sources speaking to The Guardian partially corroborated the statements made by Haaretz’s state and business sources, with anonymous sources telling the British newspaper that Saudi Arabia was temporarily cut off from being allowed to use Pegasus in 2018 after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, but had its access to the software restored in 2019 following pressure from the Israeli government.
https://sputniknews.com/world/202107201083425175-pegasus-maker-reportedly-got-extensive-support-from-israeli-government-in-selling-spyware-abroad/
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- Post n°42
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This, from MoA, didn't fit any of the other current threads plus I didn't want it to be submerged under lots of posts. So here it is for reference.
What has Israel achieved in the last year?
Let's take a stone cold sober recap, I've compiled a list of the top 25 accomplishments of Israel in 2024:
1. Israel has essentially lost territory in the North of Occupied Palestine. Hezbollah's rocket barrages over the last eleven months has driven the settler population out of the North. This is likely permanent. Israel's settler population in the Gaza envelope has also been thinned out since the 7 October attacks.
Moreover, current ongoing attacks from Yemen, Iraq, Iran and Lebanon is depopulating Israel .
2. The Houthi have put an unbreakable chokehold on the Red Sea and all red sea shipping. There is no way to break this chokehold. The USN and all other Western navies have tried for almost 12 months and failed utterly.
Attempts to conduct strikes on the Houthi, including massive strikes on core infrastructure in Hodeida have yielded ZERO results over a period of almost a year.
The Israelis are to thank for this achievement.
3. The cementing of Hezbollah as the primary military force in Lebanon: Hezbollah's Radwan forces have proven capable of protecting Lebanon's Southern borders with Palestine. All attempts by the IDF and their supporting American Special Forces to take control of this area and drive the Radwan forces back have failed.
4. The ensured survival of Hamas: Hamas in the Gaza strip persists after almost a year. For months they've demonstrated ability to strike IDF forces daily, destroying IDF ground equipment and troops. This is true, even if incremental in nature. Hamas is still able to launch rockets on the Gaza envelope.
This means their rocket manufacturing facilities are still functional. Hamas has demonstrated staying power and resilience. Compared to Fatah in the West Bank, Hamas has demonstrated an ability and willingness to actualise the Palestinian desire for self determination.
Due to Israel's excessive response to 7 October, Fatah has been permanently sidelined. Hamas will forever be known as the true face of Palestinian resistance.
5. The validation of Hezbollahs resilience: Despite eliminating one (1) component of the Hezbollah leadership, Hezbollah has reconstituted its leadership structure. It's most senior leadership council, the Shura is still intact.
Despite a technically brilliant infiltration of the communications infrastructure supply chain by Israel and after a massive air strike involving rarely used bunker buster missiles, Israel has failed to dent the combat capability or even morale of Hezbollah.
6. Buffer zone in northern Israel: Hezbollah has established, for the first time in history, a buffer zone cleared of Israelis within the held territory of 'Israel' (Occupied Palestine).
7. Israel's vulnerable AD systems: Recent and previous strikes carried out by the IRGC on Tel Aviv showed the failure of the Iron Dome and the failure of ALL Israel's air defence systems. David's Sling. Arrow. Patriot. Moreover, the air defence systems of Israel's satraps (Jordan) were also proven to fail. Further, the interception systems of the USN were proven to be inadequate.
This has massive implications for war-gaming a conflict between the US and Iran. It means that the US will have to consider the fact that regardless of what it may inflict on Iran, it will not be able to shield anyone and itself against a concurrent Iranian retaliation.
Moreover, the US must now acknowledge that Iran has the ability to destroy it's carrier groups.
Marine power projection is therefore no longer of any use in the Persian Gulf, Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Gulf of Oman ... It must now recalculate all it's previous attack plans.
8. The hardening of Hezbollah positions in the South of Lebanon: Despite the spectacular and tragic strikes Israel has carried out on Beirut the essential damage is limited to civilian blocks and civilian villages in the south. It appears that very little of Israel's considerable air firepower has harmed Hezbollah.
The net effect of these strikes has been to galvanise Hezbollah's fighters, drive Hezbollah recruitment, set world opinion firmly against Israel. The global environment for Israelis, Zionists and sadly, even non-Zionist Jews has been polluted on account of Netanyahu's actions in Beirut.
On the other side of the equation, the IDF has wasted substantial amounts of materiel on killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure. Infrastructure which has nothing to do with the threat posed by Hezbollah.
While the US has put its entire arsenal at Israel's disposal these materials are far from infinite and will run out soon - or become so expensive that it begins place further pressures on the U.S economy and logistics chains.
9. The US' ongoing Iraq Occupation is coming apart at the seams: Despite the US presence in Iraq, it is demonstrably unable to exert any influence on the Iraqi resistance movements there, who launch increasingly sophisticated missile and drone attacks from Iraqi territory under the noses of US garrisons.
In addition, the behaviour of Israel has stimulated anti-US activity in Iraq and will shortly result in a violent ejection of U.S forces from that country regardless of the current puppet government's attempts to retain the U.S presence.
It may take years to complete but the ejection of American forces from Iraq is all but assured now that the Hashds have demonstrated the ability to use substantial lethal force.
10. The Syrian occupation is coming apart at the seams: Strikes against U.S bases in Syria have become a weekly occurrence now. The resistance movements in Syria have shown that they have the capabiloity to put American bases under constant pressure. The U.S will shortly lose it's comfortable perch on the Conoco oil fields in Syria and with it, control of the spigot to the various Anti-Government militant movements in the region ... and with that, control of Syria.
In short, Israel's needless bloodlust has imperilled the US' ongoing occupation of the entire Middle East.
11. Israel has destabilised Jordan. Iran has pushed Jordan (and others) into showing their cards at the middle eastern poker table. The government of Jordan has been exposed as a completely controlled satrap of Israel. Its national interests are completely subordinate to Israel and the USA above and beyond the interests of Jordanian people.
This begins the countdown to the end of the regime of King Abdullah of Jordan and his administration.
12. Israel has sown the seeds of destabilisation in Egypt. Iran has pushed Jordan and Egypt into showing their cards at the middle eastern poker table. Egypt has been exposed as a complete satrap of the US and Israel, completely subordinate to the needs of the Zionist entity. Every Egyptian, with warm memories of Gamal Abdel Nasser would probably be weeping at this point.
The only thing that keeps the Egyptian population from toppling their government at this time is the Egyptian military. It will unfortunately remain so until the right catalyst arrives to light the spark of revolution ...
However, the net result of all these increasing strains within Egypt is to increase sympathies for the Palestinian people, opening up smuggling lines into Gaza.
13. The perception of Western Moral and Civilisational Superiority has been utterly destroyed.The fact that Western Colonialism is alive and well and that Western Civilization is morally bankrupt has been been exposed to the Global South.
This moral bankcruptcy has been manifested firstly at the level of it's governments and secondly at the level of it's apathetic populations who support the actions of their governments.
The result of this is that the Global South is now able to weaponise diplomacy in every forum with Western powers.
In the past, every diplomatic discourse between Western powers and non-Western countries used to begin with brow-beating and embarrassment of those countries around their human rights records.
Today, every diplomatic discourse between the West and a global south nation begins with a refutation of Western moral high ground.
14. The neutralisation of weaponised Western sanctions: Israel's actions, triggering Iran's, Yemen's and Hezbollah's actions have revealed that western sanctions against The Middle Eastern Resistance have been useless in stopping the technological and military advance of these powers.
Moreover, these sanctions have served to push the middle east into the BRICS trade sphere and away from the G7 trading sphere. It is a self-strangulation of the Western economies carried out by the USA on behalf of it's garrison in Occupied Palestine.
Ultimately, these sanctions backfired spectacularly, resulting effectively in the global sanction and blockade of Western shipping through the Red Sea and "tit-for tat" oil tanker confiscations in the Persian Gulf.
15. Failing Western Supply Chains. The compromise of Western mobile device supply chains, which could only have happened through the collaboration of multiple Western states, including the collusion of parties in Taiwan (outside of the control of Beijing) and Hong Kong (controlled loosely by Beijing) has resulted in complete loss of trust in Western telecommunications equipment and alerted Beijing and Moscow to potential compromise in their own supply chains.
While the implications of this are still unfolding the future success of western exports and Israel's inclusion in the supply chains are now in question.
China is now, even more than before, not only the "supplier of volume" but also the "supplier of trust".
16. Exposed Zionist domination in US politics: Due to the actions of Israel, the US has been exposed to its people, the UN community (UNSC, UNGA) as completely under control of the Zionist Lobby. It is no longer a government of the people by the people (if ever it was!). In the past, it was suspected that Israel had some influence over American foreign and home policy, but now it is certain that Israel controls American foreign policy in totality. The question of which part of the dog is the tail and which the dog has become meaningless - it's all "dog". Moreover, this compromise of the State, the subversion of Western governments to the purposes of the Zionist lobby, has been repeated on other Western governments like Germany, France, Britain.
We have just witnessed the destruction of 'Pax' Americana and its replacement by 'Pax' Judaica. Thus, the prediction of Sheikh Imran Hossein has been fulfilled.
17. Well done on the genocide front! Israel has progressed quite far in it's genocide of the Gazan Palestinian population within the last 12 months. The depopulation of the Gaza strip is well on it's way by means of sickness, starvation more than missiles and bombs.
For this there will be a price to pay in the eyes of history, for the Zionists if Israel have provided the excuse (not justification) for some enterprising tyrant to commit future persecutions and genocides against the Jews - and others.
18. Israeli economy is destroyed along multiple vectors for the foreseeable future. MNCs with offices in Israel have been negatively impacted. Affected business range from individual companies that cannot operate in Israel anymore due to instability and loss of workforce, to larger corporations whose ethical compliance measures require them to decouple from Israel. The impact extends to companies that cannot tolerate the disruption to energy infrastructure and logistics lines.
19. New, persistent threats that cannot be remedied by the West have been created.The Houthi and the Iraqi Hashds being one case in point.
There's just no end in sight here. These actors are going to be around for years, threatening the viability of Israel as a "peaceful place for the Jews" and turning it into merely another American garrison in the Levant.
20. Degraded Israeli gas and Oil infrastructure in the Mediterranean. Recent strikes have not only destroyed some of Israel's gas platforms in the Med but demonstrated that Iran has the ability to wipe out Israel's energy infrastructure. Israel will now have to recalculate the security of its energy supply. Any customers of Israel's gas and oil production will have to recalculate their energy security equations.
21. Ensured continuity of the Resistance. The further radicalisation of Hezbollah by removal of the conservative elder leadership has resulted in the younger, more aggressive, less restrained commanders to take the lead. Moreover, the remaining elder leadership in the Shura council have been painfully reminded that there is no negotiating with the Israelis and the Americans and that the only way out is to fight.
The murder of national heroes like Hassan Nasrallah has very likely galvanised the youth of Lebanon.
In a similar vein, the next generation of Hamas and Al Qassam fighters, now still children, have been created in the camps of Gaza, the West Bank, Ein Al Hilwe and other Lebanese Palestinian camps and the Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan and Syria.
This is the primary reason for the American and Israeli murder campaign against Palestinian children and babies.
22. A distraction for the USA and the Western Imperium: Ultimately the debacle in Occupied Palestine, engineered and sustained by Benjamin Netanyahu has posed a major drain on American resources.
It is a distraction from confronting bigger, more threating adversaries like China and Russia.
The more cognitive energy, financial resources and political capital the USA has tied up in the Middle east conflict, the less it has left to confront serious developments on the Russia and China fronts.
The BRI, for example continues apace. Chinese and Russian space and marine developments proceed by leaps and bounds. Chinese chip manufacture has reached the 7 nm scale and 4nm is in testing. Hypersonic missile development in Russia and China has outpaced American developments by leaps and bounds. China has achieved a 6g Transmission network implementation. China operates the biggest space station human kind has ever deployed.
23. The UN has been exposed as an impotent and in fact detrimental organisation: Israel, through it's own behaviour at the UN has exposed the entire organisation, from the ICC, ICJ, UNSC, UNGA and even organisations like UNRWA as completely impotent for all tasks that do not support the interests of the Western Powers. While this has been obvious since the comprise of the OPCW some years ago, the rot has been exposed at all levels of the UN and repeatedly hammered home by the Israeli representatives at the UN.
Nobody can ignore it anymore, nobody other than those benefitting from the grift.
24. It Bleeds: The vulnerability of Israel, it's economy, it's military and it's allies has been exposed by non-state actors who have now demonstrated that they are able to keep this so called regional 'superpower' bleeding for a straight year while being severely under-supplied, outgunned, outnumbered.
Should other Arab countries decide at any point that Israel no longer serves their purposes in the middle east, they've seen the evidence that Israel is not invincible and on the contrary, remarkably vulnerable.
25. Weakening of the Lebanese, Iraqi, Syrian and Yemeni State is a Strengthening of Hezbollah and the Houthi Movement: Israel, in taking the wrecking ball to Lebanese and Yemeni civilian government and sovereignty has created an environment in which the state will never be able to hold a monopoly on violence.
The entire extent of Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Yemen will therefore remain free and open for Hezbollah and Ansarallah to operate without government restraint. Even if this "freedom" is the freedom of chaos.
How will all these "sensitive initial conditions" - these "achievements" - combine over the next 6 - 12 months to form greater unintended effects?
It's anyone's guess but the picture doesn't look good for Israel regardless of how it looks for the rest of the Levant.
Winning!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
What has Israel achieved in the last year?
Let's take a stone cold sober recap, I've compiled a list of the top 25 accomplishments of Israel in 2024:
1. Israel has essentially lost territory in the North of Occupied Palestine. Hezbollah's rocket barrages over the last eleven months has driven the settler population out of the North. This is likely permanent. Israel's settler population in the Gaza envelope has also been thinned out since the 7 October attacks.
Moreover, current ongoing attacks from Yemen, Iraq, Iran and Lebanon is depopulating Israel .
2. The Houthi have put an unbreakable chokehold on the Red Sea and all red sea shipping. There is no way to break this chokehold. The USN and all other Western navies have tried for almost 12 months and failed utterly.
Attempts to conduct strikes on the Houthi, including massive strikes on core infrastructure in Hodeida have yielded ZERO results over a period of almost a year.
The Israelis are to thank for this achievement.
3. The cementing of Hezbollah as the primary military force in Lebanon: Hezbollah's Radwan forces have proven capable of protecting Lebanon's Southern borders with Palestine. All attempts by the IDF and their supporting American Special Forces to take control of this area and drive the Radwan forces back have failed.
4. The ensured survival of Hamas: Hamas in the Gaza strip persists after almost a year. For months they've demonstrated ability to strike IDF forces daily, destroying IDF ground equipment and troops. This is true, even if incremental in nature. Hamas is still able to launch rockets on the Gaza envelope.
This means their rocket manufacturing facilities are still functional. Hamas has demonstrated staying power and resilience. Compared to Fatah in the West Bank, Hamas has demonstrated an ability and willingness to actualise the Palestinian desire for self determination.
Due to Israel's excessive response to 7 October, Fatah has been permanently sidelined. Hamas will forever be known as the true face of Palestinian resistance.
5. The validation of Hezbollahs resilience: Despite eliminating one (1) component of the Hezbollah leadership, Hezbollah has reconstituted its leadership structure. It's most senior leadership council, the Shura is still intact.
Despite a technically brilliant infiltration of the communications infrastructure supply chain by Israel and after a massive air strike involving rarely used bunker buster missiles, Israel has failed to dent the combat capability or even morale of Hezbollah.
6. Buffer zone in northern Israel: Hezbollah has established, for the first time in history, a buffer zone cleared of Israelis within the held territory of 'Israel' (Occupied Palestine).
7. Israel's vulnerable AD systems: Recent and previous strikes carried out by the IRGC on Tel Aviv showed the failure of the Iron Dome and the failure of ALL Israel's air defence systems. David's Sling. Arrow. Patriot. Moreover, the air defence systems of Israel's satraps (Jordan) were also proven to fail. Further, the interception systems of the USN were proven to be inadequate.
This has massive implications for war-gaming a conflict between the US and Iran. It means that the US will have to consider the fact that regardless of what it may inflict on Iran, it will not be able to shield anyone and itself against a concurrent Iranian retaliation.
Moreover, the US must now acknowledge that Iran has the ability to destroy it's carrier groups.
Marine power projection is therefore no longer of any use in the Persian Gulf, Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Gulf of Oman ... It must now recalculate all it's previous attack plans.
8. The hardening of Hezbollah positions in the South of Lebanon: Despite the spectacular and tragic strikes Israel has carried out on Beirut the essential damage is limited to civilian blocks and civilian villages in the south. It appears that very little of Israel's considerable air firepower has harmed Hezbollah.
The net effect of these strikes has been to galvanise Hezbollah's fighters, drive Hezbollah recruitment, set world opinion firmly against Israel. The global environment for Israelis, Zionists and sadly, even non-Zionist Jews has been polluted on account of Netanyahu's actions in Beirut.
On the other side of the equation, the IDF has wasted substantial amounts of materiel on killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure. Infrastructure which has nothing to do with the threat posed by Hezbollah.
While the US has put its entire arsenal at Israel's disposal these materials are far from infinite and will run out soon - or become so expensive that it begins place further pressures on the U.S economy and logistics chains.
9. The US' ongoing Iraq Occupation is coming apart at the seams: Despite the US presence in Iraq, it is demonstrably unable to exert any influence on the Iraqi resistance movements there, who launch increasingly sophisticated missile and drone attacks from Iraqi territory under the noses of US garrisons.
In addition, the behaviour of Israel has stimulated anti-US activity in Iraq and will shortly result in a violent ejection of U.S forces from that country regardless of the current puppet government's attempts to retain the U.S presence.
It may take years to complete but the ejection of American forces from Iraq is all but assured now that the Hashds have demonstrated the ability to use substantial lethal force.
10. The Syrian occupation is coming apart at the seams: Strikes against U.S bases in Syria have become a weekly occurrence now. The resistance movements in Syria have shown that they have the capabiloity to put American bases under constant pressure. The U.S will shortly lose it's comfortable perch on the Conoco oil fields in Syria and with it, control of the spigot to the various Anti-Government militant movements in the region ... and with that, control of Syria.
In short, Israel's needless bloodlust has imperilled the US' ongoing occupation of the entire Middle East.
11. Israel has destabilised Jordan. Iran has pushed Jordan (and others) into showing their cards at the middle eastern poker table. The government of Jordan has been exposed as a completely controlled satrap of Israel. Its national interests are completely subordinate to Israel and the USA above and beyond the interests of Jordanian people.
This begins the countdown to the end of the regime of King Abdullah of Jordan and his administration.
12. Israel has sown the seeds of destabilisation in Egypt. Iran has pushed Jordan and Egypt into showing their cards at the middle eastern poker table. Egypt has been exposed as a complete satrap of the US and Israel, completely subordinate to the needs of the Zionist entity. Every Egyptian, with warm memories of Gamal Abdel Nasser would probably be weeping at this point.
The only thing that keeps the Egyptian population from toppling their government at this time is the Egyptian military. It will unfortunately remain so until the right catalyst arrives to light the spark of revolution ...
However, the net result of all these increasing strains within Egypt is to increase sympathies for the Palestinian people, opening up smuggling lines into Gaza.
13. The perception of Western Moral and Civilisational Superiority has been utterly destroyed.The fact that Western Colonialism is alive and well and that Western Civilization is morally bankrupt has been been exposed to the Global South.
This moral bankcruptcy has been manifested firstly at the level of it's governments and secondly at the level of it's apathetic populations who support the actions of their governments.
The result of this is that the Global South is now able to weaponise diplomacy in every forum with Western powers.
In the past, every diplomatic discourse between Western powers and non-Western countries used to begin with brow-beating and embarrassment of those countries around their human rights records.
Today, every diplomatic discourse between the West and a global south nation begins with a refutation of Western moral high ground.
14. The neutralisation of weaponised Western sanctions: Israel's actions, triggering Iran's, Yemen's and Hezbollah's actions have revealed that western sanctions against The Middle Eastern Resistance have been useless in stopping the technological and military advance of these powers.
Moreover, these sanctions have served to push the middle east into the BRICS trade sphere and away from the G7 trading sphere. It is a self-strangulation of the Western economies carried out by the USA on behalf of it's garrison in Occupied Palestine.
Ultimately, these sanctions backfired spectacularly, resulting effectively in the global sanction and blockade of Western shipping through the Red Sea and "tit-for tat" oil tanker confiscations in the Persian Gulf.
15. Failing Western Supply Chains. The compromise of Western mobile device supply chains, which could only have happened through the collaboration of multiple Western states, including the collusion of parties in Taiwan (outside of the control of Beijing) and Hong Kong (controlled loosely by Beijing) has resulted in complete loss of trust in Western telecommunications equipment and alerted Beijing and Moscow to potential compromise in their own supply chains.
While the implications of this are still unfolding the future success of western exports and Israel's inclusion in the supply chains are now in question.
China is now, even more than before, not only the "supplier of volume" but also the "supplier of trust".
16. Exposed Zionist domination in US politics: Due to the actions of Israel, the US has been exposed to its people, the UN community (UNSC, UNGA) as completely under control of the Zionist Lobby. It is no longer a government of the people by the people (if ever it was!). In the past, it was suspected that Israel had some influence over American foreign and home policy, but now it is certain that Israel controls American foreign policy in totality. The question of which part of the dog is the tail and which the dog has become meaningless - it's all "dog". Moreover, this compromise of the State, the subversion of Western governments to the purposes of the Zionist lobby, has been repeated on other Western governments like Germany, France, Britain.
We have just witnessed the destruction of 'Pax' Americana and its replacement by 'Pax' Judaica. Thus, the prediction of Sheikh Imran Hossein has been fulfilled.
17. Well done on the genocide front! Israel has progressed quite far in it's genocide of the Gazan Palestinian population within the last 12 months. The depopulation of the Gaza strip is well on it's way by means of sickness, starvation more than missiles and bombs.
For this there will be a price to pay in the eyes of history, for the Zionists if Israel have provided the excuse (not justification) for some enterprising tyrant to commit future persecutions and genocides against the Jews - and others.
18. Israeli economy is destroyed along multiple vectors for the foreseeable future. MNCs with offices in Israel have been negatively impacted. Affected business range from individual companies that cannot operate in Israel anymore due to instability and loss of workforce, to larger corporations whose ethical compliance measures require them to decouple from Israel. The impact extends to companies that cannot tolerate the disruption to energy infrastructure and logistics lines.
19. New, persistent threats that cannot be remedied by the West have been created.The Houthi and the Iraqi Hashds being one case in point.
There's just no end in sight here. These actors are going to be around for years, threatening the viability of Israel as a "peaceful place for the Jews" and turning it into merely another American garrison in the Levant.
20. Degraded Israeli gas and Oil infrastructure in the Mediterranean. Recent strikes have not only destroyed some of Israel's gas platforms in the Med but demonstrated that Iran has the ability to wipe out Israel's energy infrastructure. Israel will now have to recalculate the security of its energy supply. Any customers of Israel's gas and oil production will have to recalculate their energy security equations.
21. Ensured continuity of the Resistance. The further radicalisation of Hezbollah by removal of the conservative elder leadership has resulted in the younger, more aggressive, less restrained commanders to take the lead. Moreover, the remaining elder leadership in the Shura council have been painfully reminded that there is no negotiating with the Israelis and the Americans and that the only way out is to fight.
The murder of national heroes like Hassan Nasrallah has very likely galvanised the youth of Lebanon.
In a similar vein, the next generation of Hamas and Al Qassam fighters, now still children, have been created in the camps of Gaza, the West Bank, Ein Al Hilwe and other Lebanese Palestinian camps and the Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan and Syria.
This is the primary reason for the American and Israeli murder campaign against Palestinian children and babies.
22. A distraction for the USA and the Western Imperium: Ultimately the debacle in Occupied Palestine, engineered and sustained by Benjamin Netanyahu has posed a major drain on American resources.
It is a distraction from confronting bigger, more threating adversaries like China and Russia.
The more cognitive energy, financial resources and political capital the USA has tied up in the Middle east conflict, the less it has left to confront serious developments on the Russia and China fronts.
The BRI, for example continues apace. Chinese and Russian space and marine developments proceed by leaps and bounds. Chinese chip manufacture has reached the 7 nm scale and 4nm is in testing. Hypersonic missile development in Russia and China has outpaced American developments by leaps and bounds. China has achieved a 6g Transmission network implementation. China operates the biggest space station human kind has ever deployed.
23. The UN has been exposed as an impotent and in fact detrimental organisation: Israel, through it's own behaviour at the UN has exposed the entire organisation, from the ICC, ICJ, UNSC, UNGA and even organisations like UNRWA as completely impotent for all tasks that do not support the interests of the Western Powers. While this has been obvious since the comprise of the OPCW some years ago, the rot has been exposed at all levels of the UN and repeatedly hammered home by the Israeli representatives at the UN.
Nobody can ignore it anymore, nobody other than those benefitting from the grift.
24. It Bleeds: The vulnerability of Israel, it's economy, it's military and it's allies has been exposed by non-state actors who have now demonstrated that they are able to keep this so called regional 'superpower' bleeding for a straight year while being severely under-supplied, outgunned, outnumbered.
Should other Arab countries decide at any point that Israel no longer serves their purposes in the middle east, they've seen the evidence that Israel is not invincible and on the contrary, remarkably vulnerable.
25. Weakening of the Lebanese, Iraqi, Syrian and Yemeni State is a Strengthening of Hezbollah and the Houthi Movement: Israel, in taking the wrecking ball to Lebanese and Yemeni civilian government and sovereignty has created an environment in which the state will never be able to hold a monopoly on violence.
The entire extent of Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Yemen will therefore remain free and open for Hezbollah and Ansarallah to operate without government restraint. Even if this "freedom" is the freedom of chaos.
How will all these "sensitive initial conditions" - these "achievements" - combine over the next 6 - 12 months to form greater unintended effects?
It's anyone's guess but the picture doesn't look good for Israel regardless of how it looks for the rest of the Levant.
Winning!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193