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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:57 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Well, better late than never. Oh well.

    When deadline is in the middle of December any delay will send it into next year, this is barely news

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    Post  Arrow Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:53 pm

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:06 pm

    More details about RS-28 launch...

    TASS; New equipment of the RF Armed Forces
    20 Apr, 16:35 (Updated 16:58)

    The Sarmat missile was successfully launched from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome

    As noted in the Ministry of Defense, the launch tasks were completed in full

    MOSCOW, 20 April. /TASS/. The first launch of the intercontinental ballistic missile "Sarmat" was carried out from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region. This was reported on Wednesday in the Russian Defense Ministry.
    "Today at 15:12 Moscow time at the Plesetsk state test cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region, a Sarmat fixed-based intercontinental ballistic missile was successfully launched from a silo launcher," the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    "The launch tasks have been completed in full. Design characteristics have been confirmed at all stages of its flight. Training warheads have arrived in a given area at the Kura training ground on the Kamchatka Peninsula," they added.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated the military on the successful test of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile.
    During the first flight tests of a promising heavy-class missile with a multiple reentry vehicle, the correctness of the circuit design and technical solutions was assessed. The Sarmat missile system will go into service with the Strategic Missile Forces after the completion of the test program. He should replace the "Voevoda". "In the Uzhur missile formation in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, work is underway to prepare the head missile regiment for re-equipment with a new missile system," the department added.
    The energy-mass characteristics of the missile, the Ministry of Defense emphasized, made it possible to fundamentally expand the range of its combat equipment, including the number of warheads and types, including planning hypersonic units. "Sarmat" is also the most powerful missile with the longest target range. “The new missile is capable of hitting targets at long ranges using various flight paths. The Sarmat missile has unique characteristics that allow it to reliably overcome any existing and future anti-missile defense systems.

    Development of ICBM "Sarmat"

    The Sarmat ICBM was developed at the State Rocket Center named after V.P. Makeev (part of Roscosmos), the manufacturer is the Krasmash plant. According to experts, the RS-28 Sarmat ICBM is capable of delivering a multiple reentry vehicle weighing up to 10 tons to anywhere in the world, both through the North and South Poles.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14427471





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    Post  Arrow Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:14 pm

    Amazing shot with good quality.

    https://twitter.com/KomissarWhipla/status/1516839334112018437?s=20&t=Y0b4lcho6kl-7NMJpI-6JQ

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    Post  dino00 Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:36 pm

    The missile has a lower infrared signature that Voevoda

    Apart these two missilees what is the missile with more payload and what is the payload ?
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    Post  Arrow Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:39 pm

    The Sarmat also has a shorter engine phase and an even greater range than the R-36M2.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:10 am

    dino00 wrote:The missile has a lower infrared signature that Voevoda

    Apart these two missilees what is  the missile with more payload and what is the payload ?

    About 10 tons or at least one ton more than R-36M2 ("Mod.5"), which have about 8.8 tons of payload.

    Р-36М2 (Мод.5) "Воевода"...

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwikr6CW76P3AhXls4sKHYysAM4QFnoECDwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2F20101217%2F310009801.html&usg=AOvVaw3tMSM3n6zsImBI2LABBVS9

    РС-28 "Сармат"...

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019627207-kukdK.html

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    Post  mnrck Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:18 am

    "The Russian Defense Ministry reveals high-quality footage of the Sarmat missile launch."


    https://t.me/sputniknewsint/20095
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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:41 pm

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:42 pm

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:24 pm

    mnrck wrote:"The Russian Defense Ministry reveals high-quality footage of the Sarmat missile launch."


    https://t.me/sputniknewsint/20095

    That is quite some acceleration, does this thing have the new detonation engines?

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    Post  dino00 Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:04 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:The missile has a lower infrared signature that Voevoda

    Apart these two missilees what is  the missile with more payload and what is the payload ?

    About 10 tons or at least one ton more than R-36M2 ("Mod.5"), which have about 8.8 tons of payload.

    Р-36М2 (Мод.5) "Воевода"...

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwikr6CW76P3AhXls4sKHYysAM4QFnoECDwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2F20101217%2F310009801.html&usg=AOvVaw3tMSM3n6zsImBI2LABBVS9

    РС-28 "Сармат"...

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019627207-kukdK.html

    Besides Russian missiles, what is the western missile with more payload in Mtonnes?

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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:48 am



    Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile. Cosmodrome Plesetsk

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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:50 am

    Roscosmos plans to start shipping Sarmat missiles to armed forces in fall - company CEO

    https://tass.com/science/1440741

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:52 am

    During launch an ICBM is at its most vulnerable because normally it is a long slow climb with an enormous fireball behind it making spotting it from space or aircraft from several thousands of kms away quite easy with most IR devices.

    Sarmat has improved engines that burn faster and get the missile through this vulnerable launch phase as quickly as possible making attacks during this phase rather more difficult, or less likely to be effective.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:19 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:The missile has a lower infrared signature that Voevoda

    Apart these two missilees what is  the missile with more payload and what is the payload ?

    About 10 tons or at least one ton more than R-36M2 ("Mod.5"), which have about 8.8 tons of payload.

    Р-36М2 (Мод.5) "Воевода"...

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwikr6CW76P3AhXls4sKHYysAM4QFnoECDwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2F20101217%2F310009801.html&usg=AOvVaw3tMSM3n6zsImBI2LABBVS9

    РС-28 "Сармат"...

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019627207-kukdK.html

    Besides Russian missiles, what is the western missile with more payload in Mtonnes?

    Such heavy ICB missiles do not exist in the arsenal of the United States. The Trident D5 has a payload of 2.8 tons

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjpi_3Z06f3AhVNg_0HHZ9gDBgQFnoECDQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmissilethreat.csis.org%2Fmissile%2Ftrident%2F&usg=AOvVaw2GkcW-_sjoFSobJHrgr2mM

    The LGM-30 Minuteman payload ranges from one ton to 1.2 tonnes for the LGM-30F and 1.15 tonnes for the LGM-30G.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj0l6Pu06f3AhWGgf0HHeDNCl8QFnoECDEQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.astronautix.com%2Fm%2Fminuteman3.html&usg=AOvVaw3PgO3Evh0SkU8SGad1FgrH

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    Post  dino00 Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:10 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:The missile has a lower infrared signature that Voevoda

    Apart these two missilees what is  the missile with more payload and what is the payload ?

    About 10 tons or at least one ton more than R-36M2 ("Mod.5"), which have about 8.8 tons of payload.

    Р-36М2 (Мод.5) "Воевода"...

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwikr6CW76P3AhXls4sKHYysAM4QFnoECDwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2F20101217%2F310009801.html&usg=AOvVaw3tMSM3n6zsImBI2LABBVS9

    РС-28 "Сармат"...

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019627207-kukdK.html

    Besides Russian missiles, what is the western missile with more payload in Mtonnes?

    Such heavy ICB missiles do not exist in the arsenal of the United States. The Trident D5 has a payload of 2.8 tons

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjpi_3Z06f3AhVNg_0HHZ9gDBgQFnoECDQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmissilethreat.csis.org%2Fmissile%2Ftrident%2F&usg=AOvVaw2GkcW-_sjoFSobJHrgr2mM

    The LGM-30 Minuteman payload ranges from one ton to 1.2 tonnes for the LGM-30F and 1.15 tonnes for the LGM-30G.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj0l6Pu06f3AhWGgf0HHeDNCl8QFnoECDEQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.astronautix.com%2Fm%2Fminuteman3.html&usg=AOvVaw3PgO3Evh0SkU8SGad1FgrH


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    Post  lancelot Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:16 pm

    Largest would be decommissioned Peacekeeper ICBMs. i.e. Minotaur space launch vehicle.
    They are theoretically decommissioned, but as we well know, the US keeps treating treaties like they are pieces of paper.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:58 am

    High resolution video of the Sarmat test launch.
    https://rutube.ru/video/47531e10ae128fc908c0f6fdece72f2a/

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:56 pm

    TASS; Apr 23, 10:29 am (Updated 10:39 am)

    Rogozin: the first regiment with Sarmat missiles will be formed in the Krasnoyarsk Territory no later than autumn


    "Sarmat" will use the same silos as "Voevoda", said the head of Roscosmos

    MOSCOW, 23 April. /TASS/. The first regiment armed with intercontinental ballistic missiles "Sarmat" is planned to be formed in the Krasnoyarsk Territory no later than autumn. This was stated by the Director General of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin.

    "We plan to do this no later than this autumn - to form the first regiment from serial missiles delivered by our enterprises, which will be put into service in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, in Uzhur," Rogozin said in an interview with the Rossiya-24 TV channel.

    According to the head of Roskosmos, "Sarmat" will use the same mines as "Voevoda". "The ground silos are the same as those of the Voyevoda, they do not need to be redone. Only the electronics are being upgraded," he said, stressing that this would save enormous funds and time in order to put the system into service.

    The first launch of the intercontinental ballistic missile "Sarmat" was carried out from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region on Wednesday. The launch tasks were completed in full, and the design characteristics were also confirmed at all stages of the rocket's flight. Training warheads arrived in a given area at the Kura training ground in Kamchatka. At the moment, the Uzhur missile formation in the Krasnoyarsk Territory is preparing the head missile regiment for re-equipment with a new missile system.

    The range of combat equipment of the Sarmat has been expanded, including in terms of the number of warheads and types, including hypersonic gliders. This was done thanks to the energy-mass characteristics of the rocket.

    The Sarmat ICBM was developed at the State Rocket Center named after V.P. Makeev (part of Roscosmos), the manufacturer is the Krasmash plant (part of Roscosmos). According to experts, the RS-28 Sarmat ICBM is capable of delivering a multiple reentry vehicle weighing up to 10 tons to anywhere in the world, both through the North and South Poles.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14455217

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    Post  Arrow Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:18 am

    Comparison of the speed of climb of Sarmat and R36 mod 4 Very Happy

    https://t.me/rogozin_do/2445

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:32 am

    Arrow wrote:Comparison of the speed of climb of Sarmat and R36 mod 4 Very Happy

    https://t.me/rogozin_do/2445

    This proves that the Wikicrappia claims about the smaller range of the Sarmat are BS.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:07 am

    So these engines are supposed to have higher thrust-weight? And perhaps the whole rocket is lighter? Only way to increase ascent speed like that.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:37 am

    HIgher energy faster burning fuels and more powerful first stage engine.

    These missiles are multi stage with each stage requiring less power because it is lifting less.

    Less power is not a bad thing because it often effectively means longer burn time and can lead to much longer range.

    Think of it like a road trip in a car... ideally you are on an open flat plain with a nice firm dry surface where you can accelerate rapidly.

    Say your car operates most efficiently at 140km/h, that would suggest that starting your car and rapidly accelerating through the gears to get to 140km/h as quickly as possible and then effectively idling along at 140km/h in your top gear is the most efficient way to burn your fuel... driving straight and not slowing down for anything.

    Previously I have suggested that flying slow would be a good method of extending range like the version of Club that has a turbojet cruise missile with a rocket supersonic terminal stage... each stage compliments the other... the subsonic turbojet stage gives subsonic efficient fuel use so you can get perhaps 1,500km worth of flight range with the turbojet flying at medium altitude at maybe 600km/h... it could fly 850km/h easily but at 600km/h it might fly an extra 500km further than at full throttle all the way. Then near the target the missile drops down low where it is hard to spot and fires its rocket which accelerates it to mach 3.

    I had previously suggested replacing the rocket section with a scramjet section, where the missile travels at subsonic (ramjets work at most forward speeds even if they are most efficient at their rated speeds)... but now I realise getting to high speed fast is actually more sensible unless the weapon is horribly under powered and is all fuel.

    Accelerating to high speed and high altitude early in the trip means higher average speed and less fuel burn to maintain that speed.

    With a rocket you can change the power levels of each stage but that effects its performance, so you need to have good reasons to do so.

    In the case of the car, to get an efficient cruise speed of 140km/h you might have a 250hp engine and perhaps a 6 speed gearbox, and those gears oriented to speed rather than cross country use.

    If you wanted to travel at 300km per hour then you need a much more powerful engine, which will the gear and transmission requirements and also the size of the vehicle and how much fuel needs to be carried.

    To lift off faster it does not need to be lighter.... even if it is... more powerful rocket motor with more energetic rocket fuel and a more efficient way of burning that fuel might be enough to get the required speed improvements.

    The claim it can be launched via the north or south pole is a little odd... if you look at a globe, a sphere and you draw a line between any two points on that sphere you can continue that line around the sphere to return to the point you started at. If the two points are 10 metres apart then obviously the direct route is going to be 10 metres long, but you can also approach the target by going in the opposite direction and travel the entire surface of the earth minus 10m and hit the target.

    That is what they mean by north and south pole directions... if the target is 5,000km away you can launch this rocket directly at the target... to hit it, or you can launch it in the opposite direction and it will still hit it but coming from the opposite direction... an unexpected direction where no defences are currently set up to spot an incoming attack except SSBNs...

    Obviously this is massively complicated by the fact that the earth is spinning so your flight to 5,000km wont be a straight line but will appear to be a curve when drawn in real time on the surface of the planet... and the same for the launch in the other direction.

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