For a free trade zone with the EAEC willing to join 40 countries
Some 40 countries are interested in creating a free trade zone with the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEC). The chairman of the State Duma Sergei Naryshkin, reports Tass .
Some 40 countries are interested in creating a free trade zone with the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEC). The chairman of the State Duma Sergei Naryshkin, reports Tass .
They're ruled by Islamists, with backward laws, and they're obssessed with Zionists. Can't be good for business.
GarryB wrote:They're ruled by Islamists, with backward laws, and they're obssessed with Zionists. Can't be good for business.
Actually their laws can be considered rather conservative, but are rather less backward than those of the kingdom of Saud. At least they have universal suffrage, with both women and men getting the vote and women are allowed to get higher education and all sorts of respectable jobs.
Russia is not burdened with the responsibility of spreading Communism any more... I hope you are not going to expect it to spread peace and democracy now... business is just business... in its best form both partners should benefit from the result... Ironically Russia has a huge business advantage that it can pretty much trade with anyone... its disadvantage is that its traditional markets in eastern europe and the baltics have turned against it, but there is a huge world with lots of countries that just want good trade relations without the strings and BS like links to human rights and trade that the west likes to impose on its trading partners.
The west could learn a lot from this Russian model of trade... ie sanctions are in retaliation to sanctions only, and no linking politics to economics.... and no morality speeches...
GarryB wrote:They're ruled by Islamists, with backward laws, and they're obssessed with Zionists. Can't be good for business.
Actually their laws can be considered rather conservative, but are rather less backward than those of the kingdom of Saud. At least they have universal suffrage, with both women and men getting the vote and women are allowed to get higher education and all sorts of respectable jobs.
Russia is not burdened with the responsibility of spreading Communism any more... I hope you are not going to expect it to spread peace and democracy now... business is just business... in its best form both partners should benefit from the result... Ironically Russia has a huge business advantage that it can pretty much trade with anyone... its disadvantage is that its traditional markets in eastern europe and the baltics have turned against it, but there is a huge world with lots of countries that just want good trade relations without the strings and BS like links to human rights and trade that the west likes to impose on its trading partners.
The west could learn a lot from this Russian model of trade... ie sanctions are in retaliation to sanctions only, and no linking politics to economics.... and no morality speeches...
The Middle East is an unstable, dangerous place where the situation changes quickly, with Iran being one of the main changers.
They're playing a reckless dangerous game with everyone in the entire region; that goes beyond simply wanting security.
Many countries do that I know, and I won't want Russia to get too cosy with those either.
Werewolf wrote:The Middle East is an unstable, dangerous place where the situation changes quickly, with Iran being one of the main changers.
They're playing a reckless dangerous game with everyone in the entire region; that goes beyond simply wanting security.
Many countries do that I know, and I won't want Russia to get too cosy with those either.
Really the last time i checked Iran was offensive the last time over 200 years ago, while maintaing peaceful and defensive relationship with rest of ME unlike your little Israel that constantly attacks neighbouring countries, invades them and annexes territory not only of palestinians but also holds Golan heights of Syria, arms terrorists, using ISIS (Israel Security Intelligence Service which is the actual counterpart of CIA) using them to kidnap and assassinate people all over the world and have been repeatley used to kill iranian scientists and politicians, while Iran has done nothing even remotley like that.... but sure Iran is playing a reckless dangerous game... your jew loving nonsense gets ridiculous.
flamming_python wrote:Werewolf wrote:The Middle East is an unstable, dangerous place where the situation changes quickly, with Iran being one of the main changers.
They're playing a reckless dangerous game with everyone in the entire region; that goes beyond simply wanting security.
Many countries do that I know, and I won't want Russia to get too cosy with those either.
Really the last time i checked Iran was offensive the last time over 200 years ago, while maintaing peaceful and defensive relationship with rest of ME unlike your little Israel that constantly attacks neighbouring countries, invades them and annexes territory not only of palestinians but also holds Golan heights of Syria, arms terrorists, using ISIS (Israel Security Intelligence Service which is the actual counterpart of CIA) using them to kidnap and assassinate people all over the world and have been repeatley used to kill iranian scientists and politicians, while Iran has done nothing even remotley like that.... but sure Iran is playing a reckless dangerous game... your jew loving nonsense gets ridiculous.
LOL I knew I was gonna get called a Jew-lover by the Nazi-lovers in the this forum sooner or later.
This my 2nd exception to my ignore list and I already regret it; so let's get something straight - it's not 'my Israel', as 'my country' is in fact Russia and don't forget it.
I don't really care about Israel any more or any less than I do about any other country; which is to say that I have nothing against it or its people and I hope they do well. I don't approve of everything they do, but honestly speaking far worse things go on in the world that Russia closes its eyes on - and prancing around the world, lecturing Israel or other countries is not what I envisage Russia's role in the world to be - we already learned to stop doing that at the end of the 20th century.
And I wouldn't be comortable with either Israel or Iran in an economic union with Russia. Happy? Russia should be neutral.
Although, I have to admit that I'll be more comfortable with Israel - they at least are only interested in maintaing their military superiority and sole nuclear-power status in the Middle East; not building some empire and constantly standing on the brink of military confrontation with a superpower.
If it appears that I say something in Israel's defense - then that's the same I would say for any country in the same position.
Although, I have to admit that I'll be more comfortable with Israel - they at least are only interested in maintaing their military superiority and sole nuclear-power status in the Middle East; not building some empire and constantly standing on the brink of military confrontation with a superpower.
Werewolf wrote:Ridiculous as you are calling Iranians lunatics that play a dangerous game while they are most defensive and peaceful in the entire middle east, not funding terrorists and not attack their neighbours or trying to overthrow them.
Russia does not close its eyes what things happen around the world, because russia is not in position to police around the world nor should anyone else, they do what they have to do, keep own interests a priority and not playing someones elses bitch like entire NATO and EU countries do.
No, you called Russia hypocritical for selling S-300 weapons to Iran while russia was critizing Israel selling weapons to nazis in ukraine. There is no hypocrisy, since the S-300 are defensive weapons that were only banned from russian side to be sold to Iran, because little pussy Israel was bitching around over this S-300 Iran deal, no ban of those weapons from anything else but from Israeli pussy lobbyism, while Israelis provide lethal aid to nazis along with israelis aid of coup de etat when their IDF soldiers were on Maidan.
Sure... that is why they are using USA as their hammer and portraying every single country in the ME that is not bowing down and kissing Israels ass to be the nail.
It is called Great Israel, they are Zionists and they constantly expand, new settlements, constant invasions of Syria,Lebanon and Jordan with tanks and direct involvement of their agents killing citizens of other countries, but it is somehow Iran that is trying to build up a military super power and empire? Tell me wtf does Iran do that some could even come to this ridiculous conclusion of an Iranian empire or military superpower? Do they have nukes? No AIEI has reported they do not have the enrichment for weaponized uranium, Israel is the lunatic and fanatic theocratic country that since over 30 years tells the world Iran will finish its nuke in just few weeks and we need to invade Iran now otherwise they will nuke Israel... since 30 years this ridiculous bullshit from jews are spread and parroted.
Iran is the safest and most peaceful country in the entire ME and even beyond that from Finland i fear more aggression than from Iran.
flamming_python wrote:
Newsflash - what have the Iranians been doing in Iraq for the last 10 years? If not funding their own militias and various allied warlords and their pet armies?
The current Shi'ite dominated Iraqi government, banking on support from Iran, made the mistake of pressing on its Sunni population a little too repressively, throwing Sunni officers out of power, ignoring the Sunni clans and power-broakers - and as a result ISIS when they came, were greeted with open arms.
Yes before you say it, I know that the US invaded Iraq in the first place and created all this mess; Iran was quite right to feel threatened and want to set up buffers; but that doesn't excuse them for accountability for their actions too.
Or lets take Hezbollah. I don't want to make a judgement here on Hezbollah and its role overall; good, bad, whatever - but I will say that Iran has clearly spread its influence there too; and have been waging a proxy war with Israel via Lebanon.
Maybe it's neccessary, maybe it's inevitable, I dunno - but it's not exactly defensive and peaceful; this was very much Iran going on the offensive.
flamming_python wrote:
The constant use of Zionists and Israel as a bogeyman in Iran in general - once again this is neither defensive nor peaceful; it amounts to the encouragement of phobias and paranoia of enemies within Iranian society.
Now I can understand if this was applied to a country that Iran was actually threatened by.. Saddam Hussein's Iraq let's say. Or the Taliban. Or the Americans - once they invaded Iraq.
But when were the Iranians threatened by Israel? Correct me if I'm wrong but Israel didn't have much of an interest at all in Iran; until Iran purposely made an enemy out of them with their threats and proclamations.
flamming_python wrote:
Right, exactly - it's not our place to take sides in the Middle East, it's not our place to take sides between North and South Korea, it's not our place to take sides between China and Japan and Taiwan and the Phillippines and all the other random shit that really doesn't concern us but could end up costing us lives and money if we're not careful.
We have our allies. We should defend them. Then we have our friends and strategic partners. We should support them, unless its to the detriment to another one of our friends and strategic partners - in which case we should mediate and try to build bridges.
flamming_python wrote:
The thing about defensive weapons, is that they might leave one party feeling defended enough to risk carrying out an attack without fear of retaliation.
Or take another example - if two parties are at war - than the defensive weapons are used to counter the offensive weapons of the other party, while your own offensive weapons can continue firing uninterrupted and safely defended.
The end effect is the same as with offensive weapons.
The S-400 is really not much more of a defensive weapon than the US's ABM shield is a defensive weapon - and we all know how Russia feels about that and with good reason.
flamming_python wrote:
They do do that; they argue that they're the ones who deserve security, even at the expense of the security of their neighbours.
And yes they have supported settlements in Palestinian land.
And yes they have killed Iranian scientists in cold blood.
And yes they have invaded and bombed Gaza time and time again albeit I think the real crime here is that they haven't accomplished anything. Either achieve your objectives in full and set up a friendly regime or keep the fk out in the first place.
I don't ignore their mistakes but at the same time Russia is not in a position to preach about civilian casualties and so on. Nor should it be our business.
flamming_python wrote:
Israel is a paranoid nation obssessed with trying to maintain its military primacy in the region and which doesn't recognize their neighbour's rights to defend themselves, or rather, doesn't see anything wrong and counterproductive with reminding other countries there and their citizens that Israeli jets can enter their airspace unopposed and do anything at any time.
They have little compulsion too with some of the more unscropulous methods, such as assasinations, destabilizing governments, etc.. if they feel that such things are neccessary to achieve their goals.
What they aren't though - is trying to build an empire. Pretty much everything they do can be understood in terms of paranoia and insecurity, often justified to be fair, and their attempts at trying to stay 2 steps ahead of the Muslims that they're convinced would come to genocide them the minute they got organized and developed enough to attempt to do so.
The Israel of Theodore Herzl (1904) and of Rabbi Fischmann (1947)
In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”
Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”
The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation.
flamming_python wrote:
If you put them into a corner - they can act unpredictably; but otherwise they are not going to go out and do anything too crazy.
flamming_python wrote:
Iran is a slightly different story - they are ambitious, they want to make their mark in the Middle East, they want to stand up to the Great Satan, they want to slap the Zionists back in their place.
No, not because they feel threatened. But because they can.
"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
flamming_python wrote:
They've been expanding very successfully over the past 10 years, they've reached every corner of the Middle East; and even though I am impressed, and am genuinely glad that they are facing off the West successfully and helping restore the balance of power in the world - at the same time, I don't want to risk being around when/if it all blows up.
Werewolf wrote:I am not concerned with the struggle of ME between sunnis and shi'ites, to me it has little to do with both but more with the fact that sunnis and shi'ites in the past 100 years have been played against each other with the main goal to ceize control over their resources. It was not sunnis and shi'ites that have drawn lines on maps to define which country belongs to whom, it was our british empire that did most part of that job and using minorities declaring them nobel and blue blooded and gave them money for controll of their resources. Those poor bastards have been used and abused against each other for our own personal gain of our empires.
flamming_python wrote:Iran is not spreading baseless paranoia in its country and trying to portray Israel as an aggressive country, it just is the case. You claimed Israel did not threaten Iran.
Let us see the recent past history of how Israel has behaved towards countres in the ME especially when it comes to nuclear reactors without military purpose.
The AIEI after observing Iranians enrichment facilities has made a report that Iran does not possess the capability or the enrichment to create nuclear bombs.
After the pressure of Israel and USA the AIEI broke its boundaries and gave information to Israel and USA about Iranians facility configurations and secrets, this enabled Israel the possibility with our german company Siemens to create a virus, since Iran uses computers and modules created by Siemens for its nuclear facilities the virus is called Stuxnet which caused trouble and almost a disaster by melt down of Iranian reactor which it is allowed to have legally, unlike Israel.
Stuxnet has infected russian, american, german and few other nuclear reactor computers.
How about the fact that all european capitals are currently targeted by Israels nukes.
Israel has threatend europe that when Israel gets down it will take Europe along with it by nuking their cities.
Please don't whitewash Israels open aggression and actions against anyone that does not bow down or is weaker than Israel.
flamming_python wrote:Russia is not on Iran's side out of compession or to play a some good cop game with them, Iran is russias ally, as soon Iran goes, Russias and China's position economically and military are comprimised. The fact is not only that who controlls the oil controlls the oil market, but also that the constant threat from US is growing, with each country that gets overthrown new military bases are build there for long term operation which also are used as a logistical route for long term and rapid military projection in the region. Russia gets surrounded its allies grow smaller each time the US and Israel decide to overthrow or destabilize its allies, economical, political and military assets like the Tartus naval base in Syria is under jeopardy. It only does what it needs to do and actually russia does almost less than the minimum to assure MAD and the survival of this planet.
Some facts, the distance between Iran and Israel is over 1600 km, S-300 are very capable SAM's but they are not ABM's and how exactly would export version of S-300 create an imbalance while it is Israel that currently posses ICBM's which can reach Europe and the number is unkown above 80 the estimation is around 150? Like Israel does not has has Patriot SAM's from US and constantly developing SAM's which they call "100% accurate" like Iron Dome, so if they are so certain with their own capabilities to create capable SAM's why are they are pussying out and bitching to russia and to USA about S-300 systems to Iran?
Why are nuclear missiles in lunatic theocratic regime of Israel that is currently committing genocide against palestinians safer for the region but for Iran that has not warmongered against a single country in over 200 years which is not genociding its jewish population which are freely living in Iran, how is Iran a threat to Israel?
Iran is Russias buisness, as soon Iran goes, Russia is next on the list and you are not that stupid to believe that all those coup de' etats around the globe of every single country that is not Pro-USA or Pro-Israel is just coincidence. You know the US is pushing for war along Israel which you ignore.
Israel is trying to create an empire. It is called Greater Israel, the destruction of any ME country that possess military power is what Israel has been doing since its existence, of course not isreal itself it is a weak little country that could not survive without US giving them weapons, money and playing the hammer for Israel.
The Israel of Theodore Herzl (1904) and of Rabbi Fischmann (1947)
In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”
Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”
No one is putting Israel into a corner or threatening it, Israel's dispicable actions against all arabic world are putting Israel into a corner, if you behave like a barbarian people will have full legitimacy to act against you to defend themselfs and assure survival.
flamming_python wrote:"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
flamming_python wrote:What nonsense are you talking about? You are talking about territorial expansion?
flamming_python wrote:
Sure thing, and Iran is launching right into it, playing up sectarian divisions just as well as the next guy, supporting Shi'ites right across the Middle East.
Naturally this will in the end benefit outside players more than anyone, but you can't make out Iran to be the victim here - this situation suits them and they've been using it to gain influence across the region.
flamming_python wrote:
Israel is a belligerant country, albeit the situation in the Middle East has always been very complicated and don't be a fool to pretend otherwise. The country, before launching into its paranoid spree of pre-emptive airstrikes and assasinations - had been invaded some 3-4 times without warning.
I'm not excusing them; but they're not Nazi Germany, set to try and conquer the Middle East. They're more like the Soviet Union and the actions it took in the Baltics, Finland and Poland to try and secure buffers.
flamming_python wrote:
And in your grand list did you notice that the Iranians only got targetted for the first time in 2010? Well after they've started promising to wipe Israel off the map, supported Hezbollah, etc..
I stand by my claim that Israel wasn't threatening Iran. Israel never even went near them.
flamming_python wrote:
And this discussion after all is not about how evil and aggressive Israel is, but about how peaceful and defensive Iran is.
The Iranians made an enemy just because they felt like it, for whichever reason.
flamming_python wrote:
Iran is not going to create nuclear bombs but it does want the capability to get within 6 months of that goal.
Which is a reasonable enough aim really. I just hope they don't gain the confidence to start acting even more boldly.
"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000.
" (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
Menahim Begin is a terrorist that blew up palestinians, french, german, british and jews in a hotel, he later recieved Peace Nobel Prize.
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
flamming_python wrote:
I remember reading about how Russia has created a virus too that has infected a number of computers. Stuxnet was a bitch though, but it's just part of the game that anyone who has the means - plays.
flamming_python wrote:
You think they aren't by Russia's nukes?
flamming_python wrote:
You mean the Samson doctrine; as theorirized on by some authors and journalists.
Wouldn't surprise me if Israel does something like that.
Then again it also wouldn't surprise me if various other nuclear powers would decide to do the same when faced with annihilation.
flamming_python wrote:
I'm not, I'm simply moderating some of your more unreasonable hate-filled rhetoric; everyone should be judged by the same standards.
And again, we're not even talking about evul Israel - what we're supposed to be talking about is how peaceful Iran is.
flamming_python wrote:
Iran is not our ally, and that's a good thing because an alliance with an unpredictable country that plays brinksmanship all the time is something that won't further either Russia's, nor China's interests.
flamming_python wrote:
Yes, it is certainly convenient that Iran is a stable and strong country, and can be counted on to resist Western hegemony in the Middle East.
And Russia and China should support them, as their failure or collapse would certainly expose Russia's and China's flanks.
About Iran's private vendettas meanwhile with Israel or the Arabs, I doubt Russia or China could give a damn.
flamming_python wrote:
What's preventing, and what's always prevented - further integration of Iran together with Russia and China; is Iran itself.
I repeat again - forming an alliance, or an economic union - with a country that's constantly testing where everyone's boundaries are - is not in Russia's interests; neither security, nor economic, nor political. Is this how Russia or China act? Why would they want their allies to act like that then?
flamming_python wrote:
Iran could make a good member of the SCO, and even Eurasian Union - but only if it agrees to tame itself a little, drop all dreams of having nukes, work on a diplomatic approach towards conflicts in the Middle East rather than just supporting 'it's guys' with weapons and volunteers at every opppurtunity, etc...
Perhaps the recent nuclear deal will serve as the first step towards a calmer and more predictable Iran.
flamming_python wrote:
Defensive weapons can raise a party's confidence enough to go to war, and it could protect their own offensive weapons - thus effectively raising their offensive capabilities and survivability.
flamming_python wrote:
You see, everything's connected in warfare - 'defensive' weapons and 'offensive' weapons are intertwined and both combine to form the overal military capability of a country.
flamming_python wrote:
Like I said, Russia should not allow Iran to fall, and should certainly support it, especially now that the US has raised tensions against Russia.
But that's not the same thing as actually entering a military alliance with it.
flamming_python wrote:
It's actually Israel acting as the hammer, and the tool - for the US.
flamming_python wrote:
Israel however does not have any problems with Russia, nor am I convinced that they honestly want to continue to live in strife with all their neighbours forever; I think like every other people in the world - ultimately they want peace.
flamming_python wrote:
Russia's making a good move in extending a hand out to Israel, and if it convinces them of a diplomatic alternative to the US, and an alternative to securing their own security than simply bombing anyone around them who starts to build-up advanced military-industrial potentials - than all the better.
flamming_python wrote:
What is that supposed to prove? Two men's words are now suddenly Israeli political goals, just because they happen to share a common ideology of a Jewish homeland?
flamming_python wrote:Like I said, they've made mistakes, and they've also had reason to be genuinely paranoid.
flamming_python wrote:
It takes two to tango, what's needed is for the region to move on; but simply fingering one party and blaming them for all the wrong is counterproductive - it's what you're doing, it's what the Arabs are doing, and it's what the Israelis are doing - and it doesn't solve anything and never will.
flamming_python wrote:
They're not theocratic, just crazy generals; not the first time that a general has gone out and said something far too extreme.
Patton advocated beating the Soviets back to Moscow after WW2 - but did Washington go ahead with his ideas?
flamming_python wrote:
Influence and networking among newly allied militias, presence of Iranian military officers and volunteers, supply of weapons and supplies, large amounts of political influence, dominance of pro-Iranian political parties and forces to the detriment of other interest groups in those territories.
Viktor wrote:Nice
Documents on Kyrgyzstan’s accession to the EEU Agreement signed
max steel wrote:Viktor wrote:Nice
Documents on Kyrgyzstan’s accession to the EEU Agreement signed
Male Nuland US diplomat is in Kyrgyzstan already . They have their elections coming this year . Be prepared .
Neutrality wrote:max steel wrote:Viktor wrote:Nice
Documents on Kyrgyzstan’s accession to the EEU Agreement signed
Male Nuland US diplomat is in Kyrgyzstan already . They have their elections coming this year . Be prepared .
Do you think protests might break out again?
sepheronx wrote:
Most possibly. Since an Antonov aircraft landed carrying 150T worth of stuff to the US embassy in Kyrgystan. Last time that happened, happened in Ukraine, and it turned out to be stuff full of envelopes with money, $60M worth, and handed out to protestors.
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