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    Post  jhelb Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:00 pm

    Pinto wrote:this has become very racist abusive forum gone are the days when mature discussions took place here
    Nothing racist. Just that there are too many third world posters in this forum who post third rate stuff.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:59 pm

    Nah bro you guys have a rich and noble history. I think most here just feel that India tilting west is a bad idea. I understand why, tho. The fear of China and desire for better economic development. Problem is the western world is in a strange, dark way.

    But I understand why many Indians feel they 2ant to unite with the west. They also still want to be allies with Russia, but it is very complex. I think india building it's own MIC is great. I hope you guys pave your own way and stay true to your alliances.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:35 pm

    I may hate the corruption from India that has gotten India into the pad predicament that exists now as ISOS pointed out. But Indians as a whole can be pretty based. Most of the heavy concervative, anti SJW and anti LGBTQFLQMNOP!!?1 groups are from the Indian community.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:18 pm

    Pinto wrote:this has become very racist abusive forum gone are the days when mature discussions took place here

    When was that?

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Pinto wrote:this has become very racist abusive forum gone are the days when mature discussions took place here

    When was that?

    Bro, anything is better than f-16.net tier forums. The ass kissing is beyond belief. Should be called f-35-apologeticsforfags.net
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    Post  TMA1 Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:42 pm

    Also want to say something about Indians claiming racism. It is obviously real, but no worse than what I have seen on Pakistani and Indian defense forums, particularly with those of a nationalist (based) bent.

    This shit happens, but a lot of what is claimed as racism is simply irritation about geopolitics by average joes here on defense sites. Some invective is used and it can be harsh but much of it is certainly not racist. I guess it could be defined as such if you have progressivist ideological beliefs, but their views are as nutty as any old wignat.

    There are legit criticisms made about "whites" and "indians" and much of it is legit because the issues are complex but is necessarily framed within simpler interpersonal contexts.

    But if I say this I'm a literal nazi and I am definitely a white nationalist that has dangerous antisocial tendencies. ffs.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:05 am

    Everyone is racist to a degree. It's human nature. I married a woman from India. Love brown skin on woman, I find it sexy. I enjoy her as well as she is nice, very smart and loving. Also conservative like myself. I also love her family as they are very open and accepting of me. Hell, they call me on my birthday. My own family besides my parents don't do that.

    I prefer them over most whites here as the whites here can be pretentious assholes.

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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:11 am

    I'm not racist I have an indian friend lol1 .

    Joke apart, in my first statement when I said indians and arabs are stupid I was refering to the army decision makers. Not the people.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 am

    The only way to not be racist is to treat everyone the same, which most people hate too, because it is their differences that make them the race or group they are.

    For goodness sake, people get called racist for saying black people like fried chicken, but of course when you say something like that it is of course a generalisation... you can't be talking about all black people, and more importantly I am not black and I like fried chicken.

    It is like saying all police officers are donut addicts that can't control themselves... a stereotype but also sometimes right.

    Personally I think someone that judges a group of people based on the colour of their skin are idiots, but then there are some groups of people I don't have much respect for either... nazis, zionists, rabid anti commies... did you know that on RT there was a report about that guy brevik that shot all those children on that island.... he killed 71 people dressed up as a police officer and the limit on his sentence was 21 years... so he will not have a huge amount of time left to serve, but even on the RT site there were people in the comment section that supported what he did because those kids were at a socialist camp.

    Society is full of some very sick people, so why would a forum on the internet be any different.

    At least here you know where you stand, because people are not required to hide their true thoughts.

    I don't think banning people solves the problem, racism is real and everyone has to deal with it.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:17 pm

    The way not to be racist is to treat everyone as an individual and not voice any obviously inflammatory shit (which more often than not is a crude generalization or opinion born of ignorance of the issue)

    Someone above said that everyone is racist
    True, everyone has biases and prejudides. But don't treat someone like crap online or insult their people just because you had some bad experiences with their nationality or religion or whatever. You wouldn't want it done to you, just because someone once met some schmucks from your country.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:40 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Pinto wrote:this has become very racist abusive forum gone are the days when mature discussions took place here
    Nothing racist. Just that there are too many third world posters in this forum who post third rate stuff.

    Look who's talking Razz

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:42 am

    Part of the problem is that some times racism is acceptable... it actually comes down to offence.

    I remember an old joke by a British comedian who was talking about racism and about there is acceptable racist jokes and unacceptable racist jokes even back then. He said he had heard jokes that were negative and he mentioned them... personally I didn't find them funny at all, but then he started talking about racist jokes that were acceptable like: the one about a black man riding on a train in the UK who pulls the emergency stop cord. So the conductor goes to see him and asked him what the emergency was and the black man said he was sitting on the toilet doing a jobbie and he accidentally flushed the toilet while he was still sitting down. The conductor said that isn't an emergency... you can't pull the emergency cord for that it is only for emergencies, to which the black man replied you would think it was an emergency if it was your dick wrapped around the axle... ha ha ha...

    Suggesting black people are good at sport is often accepted... different ethnic groups do develop physically at different rates, though as we can see at professional athlete level they seem to still need the illegal drugs that other ethnic groups use to win so the difference can't be that big... I would suggest that perhaps people of colour in the west found it easier to progress at sport than in commerce and education which results in them dominating some sports but is that racism or is that the racism of the system where some kid from a poor neighbourhood has more chance of playing football than being the CEO of a successful company... considering he spends most of his time running away from trouble I suspect sports is a natural option that does not require a lot of education or help.

    We certainly are not going to solve it here.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    Pinto wrote:this has become very racist abusive forum gone are the days when mature discussions took place here
    Nothing racist. Just that there are too many third world posters in this forum who post third rate stuff.

    Look who's talking Razz


    The guy who literally never posts anything unless there's an opportunity to diss Indians

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    Post  jhelb Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:39 am

    flamming_python wrote:The guy who literally never posts anything unless there's an opportunity to diss Indians
    That prize went to miketheterrible. But then most of what he says about India and other such third world shitholes in true.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:51 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The guy who literally never posts anything unless there's an opportunity to diss Indians
    That prize went to miketheterrible. But then most of what he says about India and other such third world shitholes in true.

    What you fucking talk about retard? I post way more than you ever did, and I provide news, videos and economic details. What did you contribute? Nothing.

    You never contribute to a single thing in this site. I'm gonna request you be banned for not only not actually providing any benefit to this site, but being a massive faggot lying cock sucker racist for no reason at all

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:12 am

    The difference is that Mike is identifying problems for India that Indians have to deal with... he probably knows hoping for such problems to be fixed any time soon is hopeless, but longer term I think he actually wants it to happen... he wants India to develop and grow and become a better place.

    Sadly Jhelb, you are likely to blame their skin colour or religion for their problems meaning there is no chance of prospects for change for the better.

    The irony is the that dick head Clapper... at the time head of the CIA said Russians are genetically disposed to be bad people, which is very racist too, and no body present... he was at a senate hearing I seem to recall... no one present objected or called him out for such bullshit.

    So even in the centre of the woke universe there is acceptable racism and unacceptable racism, or in this case bigotry because Russian is not really a race.

    But then you have to ask is Indian a race?

    India once included Pakistan and Bangledesh, does that mean Pakistanis and people from Bangledesh are Indian?

    If they used to be Indian and now are not then it is not a race because you can't change races, race does not mean lines and borders on a map... American is not a race either.
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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:39 pm

    Russia, India sign agreement on military-technical cooperation till 2030
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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:00 pm

    Russia, India ink deal on delivery of 600,000 Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles

    https://tass.com/defense/1371561

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:08 am

    Have seen a few websites describing these rifles as being 308 calibre and offering better penetration than small calibre assault rifles, but I think such people are confusing the AK-203 with the AK-308 which is in 7.62 x 51mm calibre.

    The AK-203 is essentially an AK-47 but modernised and improved so sights and equipment are easily fitted to the weapon and it has better ergonomics and features.

    It is chambered for 7.62 x 39mm which is not a bad cartridge and can be rather effective.

    It is important to note the difference between Russia and the US... in the US they fixate with MOA and how small the groups are on target.

    The Soviets and Russians are a bit more practical and they zero their rifles and train their soldiers for body hits at combat ranges.

    Very simply put a rifle is zeroed at a specific range so the bullets will hit the point of aim at that specific range... if the target is at a different range to what you zeroed your rifle you need to adjust the iron sights before you fire, or you need to aim off to compensate... aim a little lower if the target is closer or a little higher if it is further away.

    The difference is that a US soldier with an M16 will be adjusting their sights all the time to ensure they get hits on target, but in practical terms when under fire you don't adjust your sights, you just aim off and accept that your shots wont be very precise any more.

    For the Soviet soldier the battle sight range is 300m. With the 7.62 x 39mm calibre round with a 300m zero if you aim at the targets centre chest, you will get a hit whether the target appears at 20m or 400m because the height of the trajectory of the 7.62 x 39mm round does not exceed the top of your head if zeroed at 300m.

    So at 300m your bullet will hit to point of aim... centre chest... using the same point of aim a target at 400m you will probably get a hit in the groin belt buckle area, which is going to drop them anyway. As the target moves closer from 300m the point of impact will get higher and higher till it reaches its peak, which will not be above the average soldiers head and then it will drop down again to the chest area at the muzzle.

    This means with one iron sight setting and one point of aim you don't need to estimate or guess or aim off... just point and shoot.

    Much simpler.

    Keep in mind that a target standing 300m away is tiny and looking through Iron sights will be a blur anyway, so aiming at the upper third of the blur is what you will be doing.

    (note you can't focus on the target and have the target in focus because it is the front sight that tells you where your bullets are headed as long as you are looking through the rear sights at the front sights and you can't have the front sight and the target in focus at the same time.)

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    Post  jhelb Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:Sadly Jhelb, you are likely to blame their skin colour or religion for their problems meaning there is no chance of prospects for change for the better.
    Yes! The history of the world since the end of WW-II shows exactly that. With the exception of China and Japan, not a single country in Asia or Africa has become developed. Most developed countries like Russia, EU, US are predominantly White. So race is certainly a factor.

    Look at this forum. Show me one colored/dark skinned member who can provide the analysis and insight that a Russian like Mindstorm provides? I'll wager there are more African, Asian members in this forum than Russian or even Anglo Saxon.

    GarryB wrote:The difference is that Mike is identifying problems for India that Indians have to deal with... he probably knows hoping for such problems to be fixed any time soon is hopeless, but longer term I think he actually wants it to happen... he wants India to develop and grow and become a better place.
    Mike says he is of Russian decent who somehow landed in the West.

    Fortunately, the average Russian has zero connection with India. He/She is totally focused towards Europe - perfectly understandable because our culture and history are linked to Europe. Russians see India for exactly what it is - a third world failed state. Just that unlike the Anglo-Saxons Russians do not say it on their face.

    India only has nuisance value for Russia. It's economy is 1/5 that of China and so unlike E.U and China they are not even among the top 5 trading partners of Russia.  

    They are an ally/partner of the U.S and will definitely backstab Russia whenever they get a chance.

    They are unnecessarily picking up fights with Russian allies like China.

    They enter Russia illegally. And from Russia they illegally migrate into Finland and Baltic states. Once apprehended they are forced back into Russia and billion of rubles of Russian taxpayers money is spent sending them back.

    Shitholes like India and African countries should be avoided by the Kremlin like plague else, they will drag you down to their own level.


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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:27 pm

    Your not even Russian. Russias history with India goes very far back.

    But you are too dumb to realize this. You are also aware Russians exist in the west too, no? Like KVS?

    **** are you retarded.

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:17 pm

    Western "whites" have more serious problems than minorities. It is their own rotten elites that are weaponizing
    minorities and creating new fake ones (e.g. LGBTXYZ) to divide and conquer. To stop any coherent action from
    the proles to limit their never ending thirst for more power. The biggest threat to western "whites" is their own
    brainwashed idiocy. Consuming excrement from their fake stream media day in and day out is lethal in the long run.

    BTW, western "whites" are racist against other "whites".



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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:59 am

    Yes! The history of the world since the end of WW-II shows exactly that. With the exception of China and Japan, not a single country in Asia or Africa has become developed. Most developed countries like Russia, EU, US are predominantly White. So race is certainly a factor.

    Are you not paying attention.... the US and all of Europe has been fighting the last 10-15 years tooth and nail to retard and stop Russian and Chinese development and growth... both have developed and grown despite extreme measures by the rich white west.

    Race is a factor because the rich white west is normally more successful at destroying countries than their recent record suggests, but even then how successful can Iraq or Iran or Syria or Libya be when the west starts wars there to divide up the mineral and energy wealth in those places for itself to gorge on.

    White countries are successful because they are ruthless bastards who murder and destroy and you don't know that because they also write the history books, or you justify it by saying black skinned people are worse... but how could we know when they never get the chance. Any black person genuinely interested in peoples rights and freedom and democracy who can't be bribed by the west is murdered because democracies wont stand by while white western countries steal their natural resources.

    All this woke BS is hilarious, but nothing like the accountability that needs to be applied and of course it is applied to all the wrong people... former politicians and the 1% never get in the cross hairs of the woke crowd... it is ex sports people and comedians and actors and actresses...

    Look at this forum. Show me one colored/dark skinned member who can provide the analysis and insight that a Russian like Mindstorm provides? I'll wager there are more African, Asian members in this forum than Russian or even Anglo Saxon.

    And what colour is Mindstorm?

    Fortunately, the average Russian has zero connection with India. He/She is totally focused towards Europe - perfectly understandable because our culture and history are linked to Europe. Russians see India for exactly what it is - a third world failed state. Just that unlike the Anglo-Saxons Russians do not say it on their face.

    You are entitled to your opinion, but from the other side of the planet I find it very amusing that Russians think they are European when the current lot of europeans are dirt bags and scum I wouldn't even use as toilet paper because I would be afraid of catching something. No offense meant to our European members but lets openly and fairly look at the way europe treats the world in general and Russia in particular and tell me I am wrong.

    It is OK... lots of young people everywhere used to look to the US that way... not so much now but still quite popular.

    India only has nuisance value for Russia. It's economy is 1/5 that of China and so unlike E.U and China they are not even among the top 5 trading partners of Russia.

    It has not tried to damage Russia with economic sanctions and it doesn't repeatedly... daily attack Russia as some caged demented monster that can't control itself like the EU does.

    They are an ally/partner of the U.S and will definitely backstab Russia whenever they get a chance.

    They have agreements with the US but then Russia has all sorts of agreements with all sorts of countries too... the US is applying diplomatic sanctions against the Olympic games held in China because unspecified crimes against a group in China... no question of sanctions against UAE which is also holding a sports event soon where over 6,000 workers reportedly died getting the venues ready... Russia has ties with UAE... the upgrade of the Pantsir was funded there...

    They are unnecessarily picking up fights with Russian allies like China.

    The situation between India and China is for each to sort out and unlike the US, Russia knows they can give advice but not orders and should not get involved other than to encourage talks and discourage cold war arms races and stupid petty acts of aggression that just escalate things.

    They enter Russia illegally. And from Russia they illegally migrate into Finland and Baltic states. Once apprehended they are forced back into Russia and billion of rubles of Russian taxpayers money is spent sending them back.

    Well then you should make them work their passage if that is all true... send them off to Siberia or some place where they are short of manual labour or whatever skills they might have and make them work their passage to get home.

    Shitholes like India and African countries should be avoided by the Kremlin like plague else, they will drag you down to their own level.

    You are entitled to your opinion, but decades of mismanagement by the British and India should have been heaven on earth, but that was never the plan... it was a resource for an aging empire to funnel money and resources to the old country... it was never meant to develop and grow.

    Based on history I would rephrase what you said and say:

    Shitholes like Europe and the US should be avoided by the Kremlin like plague else, they will drag you down to their own level and chew you up for resources and fun.... it seems they enjoy destroying countries and consuming their resources and right now they are on the look out for materials used in batteries and of course energy... soon it might be food they want to control.

    The west is a bankrupting influence that corrupts and destroys every country they get their claws in to.

    BRICSA was all about creating an alternative and it needs to be kept in focus and worked on further... each country has enormous potential and in the future other countries could and should be added.
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    Post  jhelb Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:29 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Your not even Russian.  Russias history with India goes very far back.

    But you are too dumb to realize this.  You are also aware Russians exist in the west too, no? Like KVS?

    **** are you retarded.
    Regardless of whether I'm retarded or not you certainly are when you make retarded suggestions like "Russias history with India goes very far back".

    India's relations with SSR started only from the 60s.

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