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    Post  Kiko Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:20 am

    US shares with India its concern about the S-400 contract, 29.07.2021.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik)-U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken expressed Washington's concern over the supply of Russian S-400 anti-missile systems to India.

    "We have our laws, we will apply our laws, we share our concerns with India about it ... We will see how things evolve in the coming months, " Blinken said in an interview he gave to The Times of India during his recent visit to New Delhi.
    The text of the interview was published on the State Department's website.

    In October 2018, New Delhi concluded a contract with Moscow for the supply of five S-400 system batteries worth more than $ 5 billion. The amount of the transaction, the largest in Rosoboronexport's history, will be paid in rubles. The first delivery of the S-400 is scheduled for the end of 2021, according to the Indian ambassador to Moscow, D. B. Venkatesh Varma.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:50 am

    "We have our laws, and the other countries need to obey them"... freaking buffoon clown clown clown

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:16 am

    A hint of sanctions: can the United States force India to abandon purchases of the S-400, by Irina Taran and Ekaterina Komarova for RT in Russian. 30.07.2021.

    US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken allowed the use of sanctions against New Delhi over the acquisition of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. At the same time, he clarified that the American side does not intend to introduce restrictions right now. According to him, Washington "does not want to run ahead." Earlier, the head of the Pentagon Lloyd Austin said that the United States urges all its allies and partners not to use "Russian equipment." According to experts, the United States will continue to put pressure on India in the hope that it will abandon the S-400. However, this will not affect the republic, analysts believe, - it will complete the implementation of the deal with Russia and will not abandon "a favorable agreement for the sake of the whims of the United States."

    Washington did not rule out the imposition of sanctions against India for the purchase of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. This was stated by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken in an interview with the Times of India, who asked how the Republic's receipt of the S-400 would affect American-Indian relations, taking into account the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).

    “Well, we have our own laws, and we will apply them. We shared with India our concerns on this issue, ”said Blinken.

    At the same time, the US Secretary of State clarified that the American side does not intend to introduce restrictions right now. According to him, Washington "does not want to run ahead."

    “We'll see how things unfold in the coming months,” Blinken said.

    The day before, the head of the US State Department met in New Delhi with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. As stated in the statement on the website of the State Department, during the meeting, the parties discussed "efforts to strengthen the American-Indian global comprehensive strategic partnership."

    Earlier in March, the head of the Pentagon, Lloyd Austin, spoke about the purchase by India of the Russian S-400 air defense systems. Answering a journalist's question whether the minister was trying to convince New Delhi "not to buy the S-400," Austin said that the United States urges all its allies and partners not to use "Russian equipment."

    "(We urge them. - RT ) to abandon it, as well as avoid any purchases that could entail sanctions on our part," Austin emphasized.

    Recall that in the fall of 2018, Moscow and New Delhi signed a contract for the supply of five S-400 SAM regiments worth more than $ 5 billion. The delivery of the first regimental set is scheduled for the end of 2021. According to Alexander Mikheev, General Director of Rosoboroexport, the completion of deliveries of the S-400 to India is planned in the first half of 2025.

    In February last year, Russia began production of the S-400 for India. This was stated by the head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov in an interview with RIA Novosti. According to him, the Russian Federation will deliver the air defense missile system "within the terms stipulated by the contract."

    As the general director of Rosoboronexport specified in May of this year in an interview with Interfax, the first deliveries of S-400 to the Indian side will start in October-December.

    A series of threats

    It is worth noting that the previous administration of the White House has repeatedly threatened India with sanctions for the purchase of the S-400 Triumph air defense system.

    So, at the end of June 2019, the US State Department announced that Mike Pompeo, who was then the US Secretary of State, intends to recommend New Delhi to think about alternatives to buying Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. As the official spokesman for the foreign ministry clarified at the special briefing, Washington called on India to "abandon deals with Russia, which may entail the imposition of sanctions in accordance with the CAATSA law."

    The following month of the same year, during a security conference organized by the Aspen Institute Research Center, the head of the US Indo-Pacific Command, Admiral Philip Davidson, announced that the Indian acquisition of the S-400 was a kind of problem for the United States. He also expressed the opinion that before reaching a consensus with New Delhi on the supply of Russian air defense systems, the American side will have to "go the path of ten thousand steps."

    In turn, Indian Foreign Minister Subramaniam Jaishankar told reporters that Washington cannot dictate to New Delhi how to proceed with the acquisition of Russian S-400s. According to him, India would not want "any state to tell us what to buy or not to buy from Russia, as well as any state to tell us what to buy or not to buy from America." Jaishankar stressed that India's actions in the sphere of purchasing weapons or choosing their suppliers is the country's “sovereign right”.

    Later, in January 2020, the United States again started talking about the possibility of imposing sanctions against India for purchasing the S-400 from Russia. The State Department did not rule out such a scenario, stressing that the republic does not have "full immunity" to the CAATSA law, and Indian officials are aware of the risk of using restrictions due to the purchase of Russian air defense systems.

    "Internal Affairs of the Country"

    As noted by Konstantin Blokhin, a leading researcher at the Center for Security Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, despite Blinken's hints about imposing sanctions against India and statements by the previous administration with similar threats, Washington is unlikely to decide on such steps.

    “The United States, despite its rhetoric, understands that the situation around the S-400 for India is different from the story associated with these Russian air defense systems for Turkey: they do not speak directly about the imposition of sanctions, since they regard India as an important ally, which, according in their opinion, it can act as some kind of counterbalance to China, "the expert explained in an interview with RT.

    At the same time, Blokhin believes that Washington, with its statements, "will not be able in any way to influence the decision of New Delhi" on the issue of the supply of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems.

    “The United States can at least every day declare its concern and even threaten India with sanctions, but the S-400 deal between New Delhi and Moscow is an internal affair of the country, which has the right to buy the weapons it wants. India considers Russia its ally, the two states have good relations, which will only get stronger over time. The United States will not be able to drive a wedge into the Russian-Indian partnership, ”the expert emphasized.

    Nevertheless, Blokhin believes that the United States will continue to put pressure on India in the near future in the hope that it will abandon the Russian air defense systems. According to him, Washington will continue to refer to the law "On Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions", under which "everything that the United States does not like is adjusted."

    “But New Delhi will not refuse such a lucrative deal with Russia, because in this case India will never get a first-class and high-quality weapon. In addition, irreparable damage will be caused to the image of the republic. India does not want to look like a country without sovereignty, which abandons a lucrative deal for the whims of the United States, ”the analyst added.

    In turn, political analyst Alexander Asafov noted in an interview with RT that it is not worthwhile to completely rule out the introduction of sanctions by the United States against India. According to him, the US attempts to influence the decision of New Delhi may not be limited to rhetoric alone.

    “Now Washington has just expressed its concerns and reminded about the CAATSA law. But where is the guarantee that the US position will remain stable and that after the completion of the first batch of S-400 supplies to India, the Americans will not impose restrictions? It's just that the United States still has many other problems, in particular in Afghanistan, Iraq, and in relations with Iran. So far, it is unprofitable for them to open a new political front against India, which is viewed by the American side as a strategic counterbalance to China. However, later, Washington may well introduce restrictions, which, however, are not so terrible for New Delhi, which has great economic potential, ”he concluded.

    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/890329-s-400-ssha-indiya-sankcii
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:26 pm

    Hahahaha.... we don't want you to buy stuff from that other kid (Russia) because you are in our gang now and have to follow our orders... we are supposed to be working against China don't you know so there will be no punishment for you if you don't do as we tell you, but we will keep telling you that you are breaking our laws by buying stuff from Russia.

    I suppose India should be thankful they don't have US troops on their territory yet.....

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    Post  Kiko Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:21 pm

    India urgently buys new arms from Russia, by Vera Basilaya for VZGLYAD, 20.08.2021.

    Russia and India have signed an agreement on the immediate purchase of 70,000 assault rifles of the latest AK-200 series, the delivery of weapons will begin in November this year.

    The contract was signed between the Indian Ministry of Defense and Russian representatives in the presence of officials from Indo-Russia Rifles Pvt Ltd, the rifle firm that will lead the local production of AK assault rifles in India. These rifles are expected to begin arriving in the country from November this year, writes ThePrint .

    They are supposed to replace the 5.56x45mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) rifles currently used in the army, navy and air force, among other security forces, and will become the mainstay of the armed forces for years to come. The Indian armed forces also use American SIG716 rifles chambered for 7.62 × 51 mm, which were purchased by the army on an expedited basis.

    The leading infantry will be equipped with ZIG, and the rest - with AK-203.

    Both countries are working on a larger project to jointly produce 6 million AK-203 rifles in India.

    Earlier it became known that they decided to make the AK-203 the main assault weapon of the Indian army.

    Recall that in August, the Ambassador of the South Asian republic to Russia Bala Venkatesh Varma said that India will soon expect "very positive shifts" in the issue of launching production on its territory of Russian AK-203 assault rifles, which will be supplied, among other things, for the needs of the Indian army.

    https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/8/20/1114788.html

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:44 pm

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 23. /TASS/. Air defense systems S-400 will begin to be provided to India by the end of his year. At the moment personnel training is underway, the deputy CEO of the air and space defense concern Almaz-Antey, Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, told the media on the sidelines of the International Military-Technical Forum Army-2021 on Monday.

    "I can confirm that by the end of this year we will begin supplies in accordance with the timetable and contractual obligations of the Russian side," Dzirkaln said.

    Currently, Indian military personnel is being trained in using the S-400.

    "As far as instruction is concerned, we are through with training the first group of specialists. Another one is being instructed. I would prefer not to mention the number of trainees. The results shown by the Indian specialists trained in the first group were rather high," Dzirkaln stressed.

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:17 pm

    This is interesting. India has signed a deal for Ak-203, however Kalashnikov corp. said today that they have shipped an unspecified number of AK-15 to India

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:38 pm

    Sujoy wrote:This is interesting. India has signed a deal for Ak-203, however Kalashnikov corp. said today that they have shipped an unspecified number of AK-15 to India


    Maybe the Indian army or gendarme requested a trial batch. Maybe it's for some police counter-terror units who are given freedom to choose their stocks of firearms
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:This is interesting. India has signed a deal for Ak-203, however Kalashnikov corp. said today that they have shipped an unspecified number of AK-15 to India


    Maybe the Indian army or gendarme requested a trial batch. Maybe it's for some police counter-terror units who are given freedom to choose their stocks of firearms

    Or certain unit simply decided it wants AK-15

    It's routinely done everywhere

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:28 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Maybe the Indian army or gendarme requested a trial batch. Maybe it's for some police counter-terror units who are given freedom to choose their stocks of firearms
    I gather Local homeland security forces of one or two states need the AK-15. What's interesting is orders for AK-203 has already been placed. India will receive it shortly. So why the AK-15?

    Is the AK-15 radically different from the AK-203?
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    Post  zepia Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:25 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Maybe the Indian army or gendarme requested a trial batch. Maybe it's for some police counter-terror units who are given freedom to choose their stocks of firearms
    I gather Local homeland security forces of one or two states need the AK-15. What's interesting is orders for AK-203 has already been placed. India will receive it shortly. So why the AK-15?

    Is the AK-15 radically different from the AK-203?

    I would say considerably different.

    AK-15 is based on AK-12 while AK-203 is on AK-103.
    The AK-15 has adjustable gas valve, floating handguard (not touching barrel) and different muzzle brake.
    Both featured top cover rail but use different locking mechanism.

    The updated (2020) version of AK-12 has different stock tho.



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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:26 am

    Post 805 above says they plan to produce 6 million AK-203s in India and that they have ordered 70K rifles already made to be delivered immediately, as production starts in India...

    So someone else in India also wants AK-15s... which is just an AK-12 in 7.62 x 39mm calibre really.

    The AK-203 is an AK-100 series rifle with some of the early AK-12 improvements.

    Perhaps some want to test the full AK-12 in 7.62 x 39mm before production of the AK-203 starts... but you would think they would have ordered batches of both rifles for testing before talking about producing AK-203s.

    Of course the AK-15s might be for special forces and the AK-203s for the general troops... the AK-203 is a good rifle with most of the AKM bugs sorted and made to a good quality.

    If you look at Russian troops the normal riflemen had AK-74s, but recon units had the AS suppressed 9 x 39mm rifles, and also those operating crew served weapons used AKS-74U weapons.

    Currently they will likely be AK-12s for riflemen and ASMs for recon forces and that new short barrel weapon for the crews.
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    Post  RTN Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:07 am

    GarryB wrote:So someone else in India also wants AK-15s...  which is just an AK-12 in 7.62 x 39mm calibre really.
    But Post 813 says that AK 15 is "considerably different" from AK-203?

    So either you are correct or that other guy.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:47 am

    Russia begins delivery of advanced S-400 missile systems to India – Moscow, 14/11/2021.

    Russia has begun supplying India with state-of-the-art S-400 mobile air defense missile systems under the terms of a contract signed in 2018. Moscow has already delivered the top-of-the-range weaponry to China and Turkey.

    “The deliveries of the S-400 equipment for India have started, and are proceeding according to schedule,” the head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC), Dmitry Shugayev, told RIA Novosti.

    The value of the exports amounts to $5.4 billion.

    The deal could potentially make India liable for penalties owing to the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) law. The 2017 legislation imposed sanctions on Russia in response to alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Iran and North Korea were also targeted, for different stated reasons.

    In October, a group of US senators introduced a bill that would exempt India, which Washington has drawn closer to amid the rise of China, from sanctions for buying the S-400s.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/540233-russia-delivers-s400-india/

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:57 am

    I said:

    AK-15s... which is just an AK-12 in 7.62 x 39mm calibre really


    But Post 813 says that AK 15 is "considerably different" from AK-203?

    So either you are correct or that other guy.

    That other guy, I assume you mean Zepia?

    Who said:

    I would say considerably different.

    AK-15 is based on AK-12 while AK-203 is on AK-103.

    The AK-12 and AK-15 are essentially the same rifle... the AK12 is for Russian use and is in 5.45 x 39mm calibre, while the AK-15 is the same rifle but in 7.62 x 39mm for soldiers in the Russian military who want to use that calibre like special forces, and for export.

    The AK-203 the Indians are making for themselves are not based on the AK-12 and are actually based on the AK-74M design, which was in 5.45 x 39mm calibre. The full rifle length barrel version was the AK-103 in 7.62 x 39mm which is what the AK-203 is based on, but with new stocks and updated design... not AK-12 updated, but still improved from the original.

    In other words we are both saying the same thing... if it makes it any clearer in tank terms, the AK-103 is a T-72, an AK-203 is a T-90 and the AK-12 is a T-14.... so the AK-15 would be a T-14 with a different calibre gun that suited the Indians better.

    The deal could potentially make India liable for penalties owing to the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) law. The 2017 legislation imposed sanctions on Russia in response to alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Iran and North Korea were also targeted, for different stated reasons.

    With the key source of information in the Steele report proven to be faked and paid for by the Clinton foundation, shouldn't CAATSA be struck from the books?

    It should certainly be ignored by India because US laws don't apply to India... or any other country for that matter...
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    Post  Kiko Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:12 pm

    Russia Could Ink $2Bln in Military Deals With India Amid Modi-Putin Talks, Media Claims, by Rishikesh Kumar for Sputniknews. 29/11/2021.

    Russia's President Vladimir Putin is scheduled to visit New Delhi for the 21st India-Russia Annual Summit on 6 December. Experts reckon that New Delhi will not bow to America's CAATSA whereby countries are sanctioned for dealing with 'adversaries' of the US and it will proceed with defence deals and pacts to reassert its partnership with Russia.

    Russia could clinch defence deals worth more than $2 billion and sign pacts for the armed forces which have been pending a long time while President Vladimir Putin visits New Delhi at the beginning of December, the Times of India reported.

    This will be the first face-to-face meeting between Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi since the talks they held on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Brasilia in November 2019.

    In the run-up to the Modi-Putin summit, talks have already begun to put the finishing touches on a wide-ranging strategic-defence plan, The Times of India daily reported on Monday.
    India has already passed a $702 million deal to make more than 671,000 AK-203 Kalashnikov rifles at an eastern Indian facility in Uttar Pradesh state's Amethi city.

    The paper reported that India's $1.5 billion deal to buy the Very Short-Range Air Defence System (VSHORADS) from Russia is also now in its "final stages". The $2.9 billion of deals for 21 MiG-29 and 12 additional Sukhoi-30 MKIs are expected to be signed next year.

    Contracts are likely to be signed despite the threat of pressure being brought against New Delhi under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), a US act designed to deter other nations from entering into military deals with Russia, Iran, and North Korea - countries considered by America to be "adversaries".

    Section 231 of the act says that any "significant transactions" with Russian defence entities could trigger sanctions. The US administration applied sanctions to China and Turkey for buying S-400 missiles from Russia in 2018 and 2020, respectively. It also threatened India with sanctions even though New Delhi negotiated the acquisition of S-400 missiles before 2017 - the year CAATSA was passed.

    A military expert cited by the Times of India said that the US may try applying pressure to India over the forthcoming Russian hardware sales which represent a "significant transaction" but New Delhi will put its national interest first.

    "India does not in principle accept unilateral sanctions, thus is not obligated to shape relations with strategic partners as Russia based on the threat or fear of CAATSA [sanctions] by the United States," Rahul Bhonsle, former brigadier of the Indian army and strategic analyst, told Sputnik.

    When asked about sanctions by reporters, Arindam Bagchi, official spokesman of India's Ministry of External Affairs, said that India is pursuing an "independent foreign policy".

    "This also applies to our defence acquisition and supplies, which are guided by our national security interests," he noted on Friday, 26 November.

    Bagchi added that India has a special and privileged strategic partnership with Russia.

    India's envoy to Russia, Bala Venkatesh Varma, said in November that annual defence contracts between India and Russia rose to $9 to $10 billion compared with $2 to $3 billion since 2017, the year the Trump administration passed CAATSA. "Russia has moved back again as the top defence partner of India," Varma said.

    The ambassador listed a range of agreements, such as the Joint Commission on Technology and Science, Military-Technical cooperation for the next decade 2021-2031, and agreement on reciprocal logistic support for each other's armed forces, which are expected to be signed when Putin and Modi meet on 6 December.

    Reversing the Trends

    Deals expected to be signed during India-Russia Annual Summit on 6 December

    1. AK-203 Assault Rifles ($702 Million)
    2. VSHORAD ($1.5 Billion)
    3. Agreement on Joint Commission on Technology and Science
    4. Military-Technical cooperation for 2021-2031
    5. Reciprocal Exchange of Logistic Support.

    As far as signing military-technical agreements and procurement from Russia is concerned, strategic analyst Bhonsle also emphasised that India's decision will be based on operational defence requirements and not on the risk of CAATSA.

    "If there is some negative fallout in our relations with the US, these will be in the short term, and India will be able to weather the shock," Bhonsle emphasised.

    India will start by getting its first columns of the Russian S-400 "Triumf" air missile defence system as part of a $5.43 billion deal between New Delhi and Moscow for the supply of five such columns. The US has yet to decide whether it will impose sanctions under CAATSA on New Delhi over the Russia-India defence transaction for the S-400.

    https://sputniknews.com/20211129/russia-could-ink-2bln-in-military-deals-with-india-amid-modi-putin-talks-media-claims-1091105369.html

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:31 am

    Maybe India should sign into law that it will no longer buy weapons from countries that try to use their own laws to influence what India can or cannot buy to meet its own defence needs.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:21 am

    GarryB wrote:Maybe India should sign into law that it will no longer buy weapons from countries that try to use their own laws to influence what India can or cannot buy to meet its own defence needs.

    You have to have a spine to do that. And India lacks that due to an inferiority complex.

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    Post  RTN Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:58 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:You have to have a spine to do that. And India lacks that due to an inferiority complex.
    What kind of inferiority complex?
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:26 pm

    RTN wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:You have to have a spine to do that. And India lacks that due to an inferiority complex.
    What kind of inferiority complex?

    The one where they worship the ground the British and US walk on. Believe me, it's a joke. Seen it myself.

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:14 pm

    Indians are stupid. They think weapons are so good they don't need to train or improve tactics.

    Their air force is in such a shitty situation for its size that it would take 50 years to catch China.

    They just buy different stuff that can't work togather becuse they were amazed at an arms expo. Just like arabs in general who buy everything they see there.

    Last time their russian made helicopter was destroyed by their israeli made SAM because they were fighting pakistani 200km away with russian made sukhois that couldn't communicate with the nearby french made Mirage-2000 and their indian made coomunications being jammed by Pakistani stuff.


    Their navy isn't better. French made subs that have to work with russian and indian made ships using russian and israeli stuff. It will end up with fracticide kills.

    Their army is also total bullshit. Used to be integrated well with russian/soviet equipement but now they are buying nato stuff like Apache helicopters that can't work with the t-90s on the ground which also use 125mm ammo that their arjun can't use.

    It's a total mess.

    IMO India vs China is a draw. Indians will kill each other while chinese will die of laughing looking at them lol1 .

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    Post  jhelb Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:34 am

    Isos wrote:Indians are stupid. They think weapons are so good they don't need to train or improve tactics.
    Stupid of course, they have one of the lowest IQ in the world.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

    But they buy weapons from the West not because of their stupidity but because they are totally corrupt. In fact they are one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corruption-rank

    In conclusion, it's this deadly cocktail of low IQ and high corruption that has kept them 3rd world forever.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:44 am

    I think you are being a bit harsh... in terms of full scale war India should have sufficient experience to have a better force, but they seem to believe that anything western that is expensive is somehow better than a Russian equivalent that actually works.

    Hence pissing around with Israeli SAMs and upgrading SA-6 Soviet SAMs, when they would actually get rather more bang for their buck licence producing Pantsir missiles and making the missiles themselves in enormous numbers.

    There are two critical things about a SAM... first that it works, and second that it is cheap enough that you have them in enormous numbers.

    They want to make things themselves but they choose things like light fighters that they will never need more than about 500 of... which means it will never become profitable and always remain expensive which is the opposite of what you want for a light fighter.

    They need to pick the things they licence produce based on how many are they going to end up making and what prospects are there of ending up making some of their own and even exporting them.

    Fifth gen fighter aircraft... probably not, but drones would be a fantastic area for them to get in to... the engines, the sensors, the datalinks, the cameras... and it has been shown recently that having lots of cheap drones can make a real difference no matter what weapons the enemy has.

    India is getting wooed by the US and the US can be very charming and they will have plenty of money because they know they are going to make it all back and more... so they can throw a lot more money wining and dining the people who decide...

    And they are getting results, partially because their leader is US leaning, but how long will that last... how long can the US hide the crazy?

    They have already violated Indian waters and demand India stop buying S-400s... there is still time to avoid this train crash, but I suspect most Indians see what US and western investment into China did for their economy and they want those multinational companies to head in their direction... Trump was anti China because he wanted that investment and production to move out of China and back to the US... but these companies are bastards... they will be looking at Bangledesh or Myanmar.... where human rights and workers rights don't exist.
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    Post  Pinto Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:09 pm

    this has become very racist abusive forum gone are the days when mature discussions took place here

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