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    Post  walle83 Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:03 pm

    Isos wrote:No surprise. It just copies of US stuff after failing to copy soviet stuff.

    They will end up buying one of the designs of Krylov after this thing fails all the tests.

    Eh what, failing to do what?

    This will be way more advanced then anything the Soviet ever managed to produce or anything that Russia will deploy in the next 15-20 years.
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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:07 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:No surprise. It just copies of US stuff after failing to copy soviet stuff.

    They will end up buying one of the designs of Krylov after this thing fails all the tests.

    Eh what, failing to do what?

    This will be way more advanced then anything the Soviet ever managed to produce or anything that Russia will deploy in the next 15-20 years.

    They tried to copy kuznetsov/Su-33 combo and failed.

    Now they copy f-35 and what seems to be a Nimitz class carrier.

    If they failed with old simple soviet stuff I don't see how they will succeed with much more advanced carriers.

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:28 pm

    Chinese EMALS on carriers will work. U.K handed that tech to China, under the guise of selling a semi conductor company, plausible deniability of course.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/by-snatching-up-british-company-china-closes-gap-on-us-naval-supremacy_2389025.html

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    Post  walle83 Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:58 am

    Isos wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:No surprise. It just copies of US stuff after failing to copy soviet stuff.

    They will end up buying one of the designs of Krylov after this thing fails all the tests.

    Eh what, failing to do what?

    This will be way more advanced then anything the Soviet ever managed to produce or anything that Russia will deploy in the next 15-20 years.

    They tried to copy kuznetsov/Su-33 combo and failed.

    Now they copy f-35 and what seems to be a Nimitz class carrier.

    If they failed with old simple soviet stuff I don't see how they will succeed with much more advanced carriers.

    The first type 001 and 002 carriers are working fine and are deployed all the time. The J-15 is back in production and with several modified version, the J-15A, J-15S, J-15T and the J-15D with modifications to enable CATOBAR launch.

    China didnt start the production of the Type 003 carrier because the "failed" with the earlier ones, they moved on because they felt that the Kuznetsov design was outdated and had reached its limits. The CATOBAR will give them far more capabilities.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:07 am

    Chinese EMALS on carriers will work. U.K handed that tech to China, under the guise of selling a semi conductor company, plausible deniability of course

    This sort of shit is something that pisses me off.

    Lets think logically for a few seconds... if the UK had working EMALS technology why aren't they using it themselves?

    Why have they not shared it with the US?

    Why are they selling it to the Chinese?

    Perhaps the UK sold Russia their hypersonic missile technology and that is why Russia is preparing to put Zircon into service while the UK and US have subsonic anti ship missiles in service...

    The Chinese are very good problem solvers and have had a lot of technology built on their territory by western countries wanting to save money on cheap labour etc etc.

    I have good confidence that Russia will solve the problems of EMALS cats, but I also think the Chinese will solve such problems too.

    Everyone working on the problem will take advice and assistance anywhere they can get it, but I think the Russians and Chinese will succeed where Americans and Brits have failed.

    Based on what?

    Well Chinese 5g technology seems to be ready before the western equivalent, and the west is talking about 6g technology... which sounds like an admission of defeat regarding 5g...

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    This sort of shit is something that pisses me off.

    Lets think logically for a few seconds... if the UK had working EMALS technology why aren't they using it themselves?
    Because they can't afford it. China's defence budget is 3 times that of the U.K and labour cost is 1/3 of what it is in the U.K.

    GarryB wrote:Why have they not shared it with the US?
    U.S has already developed that tech, they don't need it.




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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:16 am

    Because they can't afford it. China's defence budget is 3 times that of the U.K and labour cost is 1/3 of what it is in the U.K.

    That is no excuse. Aircraft carriers are expensive so claiming they can't afford to make their ships be able to carry aircraft was too expensive is just bullshit.

    In their current state the UK carriers rely on the vertical take off version of the F-35, which appears to be a total failure.

    When the F-35 programme collapses and they can't get any parts for their F-35s or the parts get so expensive they can't afford them then they are going to either convert the carriers to helicopter carriers.... like a Ford Class CVN, or they are going to have to convert the carrier to have cats, or they are going to have to develop their own VSTOL fighter. Of those three options only the first two are possible... and unless they are prepared to admit defeat their only choice will be the second.

    U.S has already developed that tech, they don't need it.

    It does not work. Their Ford class CVNs don't operate fixed wing fighter aircraft because the EMALS don't work and they were not designed to operate the VSTOL model of the F-35 because the US Navy does not want a US Marine aircraft.

    This is just bullshit trying to suggest an achievement like developing EMALS cats could not be done by the chinese, they could only do it by stealing western technology.... they pull that crap all the time and most of the time such shit sticks, but in this case when the UK can't build EMALS cats... they can't make them... not a question of affording them or not... they can't make them, so they built their carriers for the VSTOL version of the F-35 instead, so the chance of them handing EMALS technology to China is ZERO.

    If China has working EMALS technology on their newest ships it is because they developed that... which is something that the US has struggled to do despite throwing enormous amounts of money at it.

    I am surprised at you defending that Sujoy... it is the same argument that India just copied the Brahmos from the Yakhont and just provided the money... I suspect they did rather more than just buy the bits... but even then that is different because Russia already had Onyx and Yakhont in operational service... the British do not have any EMALS cat system working.

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    Post  walle83 Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    This is just bullshit trying to suggest an achievement like developing EMALS cats could not be done by the chinese, they could only do it by stealing western technology.... they pull that crap all the time and most of the time such shit sticks, but in this case when the UK can't build EMALS cats... they can't make them... not a question of affording them or not... they can't make them, so they built their carriers for the VSTOL version of the F-35 instead, so the chance of them handing EMALS technology to China is ZERO.

    To be fair, the UK had the option to buy it from the US but choose not to because of budget constraint. So the reason they have VSTOL on the QE class is relly a money thing Wink
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:I am surprised at you defending that Sujoy... it is the same argument that India just copied the Brahmos from the Yakhont and just provided the money... I suspect they did rather more than just buy the bits... but even then that is different because Russia already had Onyx and Yakhont in operational service... the British do not have any EMALS cat system working.
    Apples and oranges. India never developed BRAHMOS. After the First Gulf War, the Indian armed forces realized that they need cruise missiles immediately. In 1998, India & Russia decided to set up a company called BrahMos Aerospace Limited that will be jointly owned by the governments of India & Russia.

    Russia used the P-800 Oniks to develop BRAHMOS-1. The ramjet and seekers were all provided by Russia.

    After India signed the MTCR treaty, India & Russia decided to develop a new generation of BRAHMOS with a range of 600 kms.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/mtcr-benefit-india-russia-to-develop-600-km-range-cruise-missiles-that-can-cover-entire-pakistan/articleshow/54926916.cms

    Neither India, nor Russia did anything that is illegal. Whereas the entire deal between UK and China for the sale of EMALS was illegal because there is currently an arms embargo that has been imposed on China by NATO member states that includes U.K.

    When U.K's lie was exposed they said that they had no idea that the company they sold to China had the ability to develop EMALS.

    China, has a long history of stealing military tech and that includes their latest effort of stealing military tech from the head of Russia’s Arctic Academy of Sciences.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3089175/russia-accuses-top-arctic-scientist-valery-mitko

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:55 am

    To be fair, the UK had the option to buy it from the US but choose not to because of budget constraint. So the reason they have VSTOL on the QE class is relly a money thing

    Not really... the Americans have not got it working yet so there was nothing to buy and no honest prospect of it being ready in time for their two QE class ships to use it.

    The Brits didn't limit their new carriers to VSTOL versions of the F-35 for fun... the most expensive to buy and expensive to operate and most fragile version of the F-35 is going to have problems... well we know it has lots of problems already which are not even being fixed... it seems they just lower the bar... can't operate the after burner for more than 90 seconds? Well that is a new feature... not a problem... but that means it can't go supersonic.... that is another feature... we don't want it to go supersonic any more...

    Modern 4++gen fighters generally have good thrust to weight ratios and should be able to get airborne with a ramp and a decent headwind.

    Apples and oranges. India never developed BRAHMOS. After the First Gulf War, the Indian armed forces realized that they need cruise missiles immediately. In 1998, India & Russia decided to set up a company called BrahMos Aerospace Limited that will be jointly owned by the governments of India & Russia.

    Russia used the P-800 Oniks to develop BRAHMOS-1. The ramjet and seekers were all provided by Russia.

    After India signed the MTCR treaty, India & Russia decided to develop a new generation of BRAHMOS with a range of 600 kms.

    The Brahmos is like an Su-30MKI... it is a Russian product modified to Indian requirements and needs.... the Brahmos is based on Yakhont.... the export model of the Onyx, and Su-30MKI is based on the Su-30MK export version of the Su-30M... the main difference is that Brahmos is basically a software and electronics upgrade of Onyx allowing land attack roles... a change the Russians applied to all their anti ship missiles by the way, while the Su-30MK was just a two seat Su-27UB trainer, but with massive upgrades of pretty much everything with a lot of foreign components. I don't think foreign components would be used in the Brahmos.

    The point is that this Chinese copy of this British EMALS system is bullshit... the British don't have any EMALS system to sell... claiming the Chinese bought EMALS from the UK would be like claiming the US bought the SR-71 and most of their current fighter aircraft that use titanium components from the Soviet Union and Russia because that is where most of it comes from... and is BS too.


    Neither India, nor Russia did anything that is illegal. Whereas the entire deal between UK and China for the sale of EMALS was illegal because there is currently an arms embargo that has been imposed on China by NATO member states that includes U.K.

    The UK doesn't have any EMALS system to sell... if they did they would be putting it on their own carriers to make them rather more effective and cheaper because the cats version of the F-35 is cheaper than the VSTOL model... to buy and to operate.


    When U.K's lie was exposed they said that they had no idea that the company they sold to China had the ability to develop EMALS.

    It didn't, or it would be selling that technology to the Americans and would not need to sell anything to the Chinese.


    China, has a long history of stealing military tech and that includes their latest effort of stealing military tech from the head of Russia’s Arctic Academy of Sciences.

    The west got powerful by stealing everything from everyone. In general the Chinese are like the Russians... normally they would prefer to buy the technology, but when they are under sanction or refused... why not steal it.... it is not like the west does not steal ideas and designs... that is why they lead in so many areas... if you come up with a good idea then the best way to make big money is to take that new idea or technology to the US and sell it and make lots of money.
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    Post  walle83 Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:03 am

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    The large holes on the flightdeck has been closed, engines installed. A mast has been added on the tower. Work on catapults is ongoing.

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    Post  Finty Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:01 pm

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china%E2%80%99s-j-31-stealth-fighter-just-became-carrier-capable-195696

    China’s J-31 Stealth Fighter Just Became Carrier-Capable

    Cina’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) might just have a new stealth fighter—and it’s carrier-capable.

    A slew of photos posted to social media shed light on the PLAN’s newest and likely carrier-capable jet. The airplane, tentatively a Shenyang J-31 derivative (also known as the FC-31), appears broadly similar to its parent, though with several carrier-specific characteristics.

    Anticipation prior to the new airplane’s debut ran high, with reports about the airplane circulating and the original J-31 circulating online.

    The Chinese stealth fighter differs substantially from its larger and perhaps better-known counterpart, China’s Chengdu J-20. For starters, the J-31 is a considerably smaller aircraft, with a more conventional airframe, lacking the forward canards that the J-20 has.

    It is suspected that the J-31 was initially intended for export, with the advantage of offering customers some lower-end fifth-generation fighter qualities without costing as much as premier fifth-generation platforms like the United States’ Joint Strike Fighter.

    The J-31 bears more than a passing resemblance to the American Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter. Indeed, some reports have pointed to the Chinese plane’s similarities as evidence for Chinese F-35 program technology theft. Both aircraft feature a similar forward fuselage section, including a stealthily-contoured nose chine and engine intakes.

    Since the original J-31 debuted at the 2012 China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition, at least one other plane variant has been produced. This second variant featured smoother lines, redesigned wing-tail configuration.

    This latest J-31 variant, known from photographs, differs substantially from the previous two J-31 variants. However, two crucial points indicate that it is carrier-capable. First, it has a larger, more robust pair of wheels to support the stresses of carrier operations. In addition, its catapult launch bar is also evidence of carrier landing capabilities. And last but not least, the newest J-31 appears to have folding wingtips and tail tips, giving the airplane a smaller footprint for carrier operations.

    The People’s Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN’s) newest stealth fighter variant roughly coincides with the PLAN’s Type 003 aircraft carrier, which is expected to launch by 2022 and enter service around 2024. The carrier will be China’s third and most advanced, roughly the same size as the U.S. Navy’s enormous Gerald R. Ford-class carriers.


    Though much remains unknown about the newest J-31 variant, the airplane is notable as just the second carrier-capable stealth aircraft and the first in Asia. The new aircraft may end up flying alongside the J-15, a Chinese-made copy of Russia’s Sukhoi Flanker, thought to be an unreliable and accident-prone flyer.

    Coupled with a new and domestically built aircraft carrier, China’s power projection capabilities are expanding.
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    Post  Kiko Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:27 pm

    Strange how few comments are made in this thread over the next Chinese Type 003 aircraft carrier:

    Satellite images show that China would be close to completing the construction of its third aircraft carrier

    Analysts of a' think thank ' estimate that the ship will be launched in a period of 3 to 6 months, although it will not reach its initial operational capacity for a few years.

    Satellite images obtained by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Washington-based think tank, show that China would be close to completing construction work on its third Chinese aircraft carrier, named Type 003.

    According to the images of a commercial satellite captured on October 23, two large openings in the deck of the ship, which is in the Jiangnan shipyard in Shanghai, were sealed between September 18 and that date. This suggests that the installation of the ship's main internal components, such as the engine and power plants, has already been completed.

    Analysts also noted that the construction of other large elements, including the catapult take-off system, is nearing completion. They explained that the addition of a catapult launch system will allow the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy to launch planes with heavier cargoes and more fuel compared to the first two aircraft carriers in its fleet, Liaoning and Shandong.

    Experts indicate that throughout 2021 there was "steady progress in the construction" of the new vessel. "Based on the available information and progress observed in Jiangnan, the authors estimate that Type 003 will be launched within 3 to 6 months," reads the CSIS report.

    However, the report underlines that the "technical challenges of building a modern aircraft carrier could lengthen this schedule" and estimates that the Type 003 will take several years to reach its initial operational capacity.

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    Post  Mir Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:41 pm

    Well in all fairness this thread is about "Future Russian Aircraft Carriers and Deck Aviation" Wink Laughing

    But yes all credit to the Chinese for their impressive carrier program!

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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:51 pm

    There is nothing to say. It's a copy of US carrier with copies of US f-35 and E2 awacs.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:32 pm

    But yes all credit to the Chinese for their impressive carrier program!

    Further details:

    Is China about to complete its third aircraft carrier?

    Satellite images of the Chinese shipyard of Jiangnan captured on October 23 of this year reveal that the installation of the main external components of the third aircraft carrier of the Asian country is about to be completed. The ship, commonly known as Type 003, could set sail in the coming months.

    Photographs published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) show that in recent weeks the visual appearance of the Type 003 has undergone significant changes. For example, between 18 September and 23 October, the two large openings on the ship's deck were sealed. These spaces allowed large internal components, such as engines and power plants, to enter the hull. Its closure suggests that the initial installation of the main internal components has been completed. However, the rear opening is not yet completely flush with the rest of the platform.

    According to the American Think Tank, other important components of the aircraft carrier are about to be completed, including the ship's catapults, which will help launch the aircraft. One of the bow catapults remains covered by environmental protectors, indicating that workers are still installing and testing the system. The second bow catapult is not yet covered by environmental shields, but will be once installation and testing begin. In addition, work is under way (under the environmental protectors) on a third catapult on the port side of the ship, which will be behind the two forward catapults.

    The inclusion of catapults in the Type 003 is a major step forward for the Chinese Navy. The Asian country's two aircraft carriers, Liaoning and Shandong, use less advanced take-off systems similar to ski jump platforms. The new Type 003 catapult assisted take-off launch system (CATOBAR) will allow fixed-wing aircraft with heavier payloads and more fuel to be launched, as well as larger aircraft with a lower weight-to-thrust ratio. Most CATOBAR systems run on steam, but it is widely rumored that China has developed an electromagnetic launch system similar to that developed for the new class of Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier from the US.

    CSIS further explains that while significant progress has been made on the Type 003, there are a number of signs to watch out for before the carrier slips into the waters of the Yangtze River. In particular, the ship's two starboard elevators, which will move the aircraft between the inner bay of the hangar and the flight deck, have not yet been installed.

    In the coming weeks, radars may also be installed on the ship's island and weapons systems may be moved to its platforms. These steps could be completed after launch, but it is generally easier to install larger platforms while a ship is on the dry dock, where workers can take advantage of large gantry cranes. Before launch, the large hull blocks of a container ship behind the carrier must be removed.

    Based on the information available and the progress observed in Jiangnan, CSIS estimates that Type 003 will be launched in about three to six months. However, the technical challenges of building a modern aircraft carrier could extend this schedule. Even after launch, it will be years before the Type 003 enters service and reaches initial operational capacity.
    The US Department of Defense had predicted that the third Chinese aircraft carrier would enter service in 2023, but the agency's latest assessment estimates that it will enter service in 2024.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:19 am

    Copying the AWACS is a good idea, but not sure about the F-35... to be fair maybe the Chinese have fixed its main problems and have a lower standard of stealth requirements which makes it an affordable light fighter... in which case it might actually be a useful aircraft.

    The flat open nature of sea warfare means a fighter wiht a modern radar that can shoot down missiles and aircraft from sea level up to say 20km altitude is all you really need... anything operating at more than 20km altitude should be a ship based SAM problem and the vast majority of threats to ships come in that zero to 20km altitude band each fighter with a decent radar and a few cheap AAMs just increases the defence and flexibility and reach of a naval group.

    Having a suspicious target 500km away... the surface group commander with no carrier has no way of investigating it other than just keeping an eye and monitoring what it does... what manouvers it performance, is it changing direction, is it scanning with radar, is it changing speed or altitude a lot etc etc.

    With a carrier he can launch a couple of fighter aircraft that can use radar information from the ships or AWACS to fly around and approach from behind... it might be a civilian aircraft, or it might be a military aircraft, but knowing what it is and what it is armed with makes making decisions easier for the commander of that group of ships... situational awareness is critical and that means knowing where your pieces are and where their pieces are so you can recognise things going bad early on when you can do something about it.

    In the Persian gulf if the dickhead invading Iranian waters to open fire on Iranian boats because one of them fired a warning shot at his helicopter to make it go away, had asked a nearby US carrier to send a flight of four Tomcats to investigate that dot on the radar screen then the people killed that day would not have died.

    It was just one dot on the radar so four Tomcats would have been more than safe no matter what the target was so the risk to the planes was tiny, but unfortunately the commander of the AEGIS cruiser was an arrogant censored , and problems with the electronics led to him making a very bad decision because he lacked good information.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:40 pm

    @George1

    Am persuaded that Russia is transferring behind the scenes CATOBAR & EMALS aircraft carrier technology to China for its Type 003 CVN in a joint deal.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:17 am

    It would certainly make sense for them to work together on that.... Russia has a lot of knowledge and expertise, but China has ships going into the water, the money to spend, and modern electronics that might be needed to make it work.

    It would certainly make sense for them to work together on such a thing as they would both benefit from that technology getting as mature as possible as quickly as possible.

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    Post  walle83 Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:26 pm

    Type-003 next to the Chinese Shandong and USS Gerald R.Ford.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:29 am

    You guys are underestimating Chinese R&D capabilities quite a lot. The Chinese have a highly advanced electronics industry. They have world leading companies in areas like electric cars, batteries, and power electronics. Pointing to an article on The Epoch Times (Falun Gong cult propaganda) claiming they got the tech from the UK proves nothing.
    The article itself claims that the big breakthrough was buying some old UK IGBT manufacturer. That is a transistor design. It takes a lot more than having a working transistor to making an EMALS system. The Chinese EMALS system is totally different from the US one based on the specs we know about it.
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1115685.shtml

    For example they use a DC power grid on the 003, while the Ford carrier uses an AC power grid. The Chinese military also have their own railgun program.

    To think they would be less advanced than Russia on surface naval technology is a bit of a stretch.

    China is the world's leading naval shipbuilding nation by tonnage. The simple fact is other than the US no other nation has even tried building a carrier of this class and type. The Chinese have a fairly good chance of pulling it off. I think with much less issues than the US since they actually built a land based catapult facility to test both the steam catapults and the EMALS catapults with the J15T airplane which launched real aircraft. Compare that with the Ford which was launching test weights at reduced load for years even after being built. The Chinese test things extensively that is how they manage to make such large strides with their naval program.

    They might be behind in nuclear reactors currently and that is why 003 isn't nuclear. Even Russia only recently has designed the RITM-400 naval nuclear reactor. The Chinese do have an equivalent program and Chinese nuclear engineers today have way more experience in nuclear reactor design and construction than, say, 30 years ago.
    China currently leads the world in civilian nuclear reactor construction. They have also absorbed basically all civilian nuclear reactor technology that was available on the market they could buy at least a decade ago. They have basically nearly every civilian nuclear reactor type in operation. They have the US AP1000 in operation (no other reactors of same type in operation elsewhere), they have the French EPR in operation (no other reactors of the same type in operation elsewhere). So get this. They got the AP1000 and EPR working in China while either project isn't working on its own home turf yet. They have several Russian VVER types. They also have their own indigenous civilian nuclear power reactor designs. They have their own Hualong One reactor. They have their own civilian small nuclear reactor program (several in fact including ACP100, ACP50, HT-PBMR).

    I doubt they will build many more of this 003 type. This is just a stepping stone towards the nuclear carrier program. They decided putting nuclear and catapults at the same time was too much of a gamble given their current technology base and made 003 which just has the catapults. For the same reason, to gain experience, they reverse engineered the 001 carrier (Varyag), and built the 002 just to show they could do one by themselves. Compare this with the US Ford class carrier program which tried putting a new reactor design, power system, catapult design, arrestor design, weapons elevators, etc in the same package and has been a failure.

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    Post  walle83 Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:26 am

    Looking at the 003 and the Ford class the difference in size most notable seems to be in the bow and the forward flight deck. The 003 is about 10-15 meters shorter then the Ford here, menaing the the catapults will start earlier on the flightdeck. Looking at the rest of the ship the 003 and Ford are about exactly the same size in beam and general layout except from the position of the superstructre and the third elevator on Ford.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:41 pm

    And not Russia?  They are building a lot of NPP in the world.They have NPP based on fast reactors. BN 800 and soon BN 1200 reactors. They are developing many modern concepts of a fast neutron reactor. They have perfectly developed VVER standard reactors.
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    Post  lancelot Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:42 am

    Arrow wrote:And not Russia?  They are building a lot of NPP in the world.They have NPP based on fast reactors.  BN 800 and soon BN 1200 reactors. They are developing many modern concepts of a fast neutron reactor.  They have perfectly developed VVER standard reactors.

    Russia is still the world leader in nuclear reactor technology, but they severely lag behind China in new reactor construction.
    Russia had an ambitious reactor construction program a decade ago, supposedly one new reactor was to be activated per year, but it has been severely scaled back.
    Russia is building more export reactors than reactors in Russia if you look at it. Turkey, Egypt, China, India, Bangladesh, etc.
    The major project in Russia right now is Kursk II 1-2.
    China has had way less success in exporting their reactors but they are building a couple of them in Pakistan.
    Where they are building massively is in China proper and the program was recently scaled up with vast budget increase.
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    Post  hoom Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:18 am

    This is shaping up pretty intriguing: The deck details look US style but the hull details are clearly based off the Soviet style & bear remarkable similarity to Ulyanovsk.
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    Seems like rumors that China bought the Ulyanovsk plans back in the 90s are pretty much confirmed.

    But thats just the structure, a lot of the details will be independent Chinese developments: electronics, weapons, internal fitout, a conventional powerplant, conversion to EMALS CATOBAR & Chinese planes.

    While not individually as powerful as the US carriers it'll only take a couple of sister ships or larger cousins (& associated escorts) to make it very difficult for US to achieve even a temporary local superiority anywhere near the Chinese coast.

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