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    Chinese aircraft carrier program - Page 10 Empty China’s 85,000 Ton Type 002 Carrier Will Be a High Tech EMALS Equipped Peer to America’s Gerald Ford Class

    Post  Finty Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:34 pm

    Found this article a while ago but only got round to reading it now. Dates from March 2019.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-s-85-000-ton-type-002-carrier-will-be-a-high-tech-emals-equipped-peer-to-america-s-gerald-ford-class


    China’s 85,000 Ton Type 002 Carrier Will Be a High Tech EMALS Equipped Peer to America’s Gerald Ford Class


    Analysts have long speculated the nature of the third aircraft carrier to be commissioned by the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy, one of four platforms the service is expected to deploy by the mid 2020s alongside three Type 075 heavy helicopter carriers which are speculated to be intended to carry specialised vertical landing capable fixed wing fighter aircraft. The Type 002 carrier will follow on from the Liaoning - a Type 001 Class ship which entered service in 2012, and the yet unnamed Type 001A Class ship currently undergoing sea trials. Unlike its two predecessors, both of which are derived from the Soviet Kuznetsov Class design and integrate ski jump launch systems, the new warship is expected to be a flattop vessel with a catapult launch system. The PLA’s announcement of the successful development of an electromagnetic launch system (EMALS), and its repeated testing of such systems on land observed for half a decade using what appear to be J-15 Flying Shark fighters modified for compatibility with the system, has made its integration onto the Type 002 Class highly likely. Integration of an electromagnetic launch system was confirmed by Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo in 2017, though his claims were seriously questioned by many Western analysts which alleged that such a launch system would be beyond the capabilities of the PLA due to its sophistication. While most carrier designs today lack catapult launch systems due to their considerable costs, of the three serving classes which do deploy catapults only one integrates EMALS - the American Gerald Ford Class - with the remaining two using far cheaper and less complex steam systems. The system provides considerable advantages to carrier air wings, which alongside taking less space on the warships allow aircraft to take off with a heavier payload and more fuel. This provides carrier based fighters with a considerable advantage over those deployed from carriers with either steam catapults or lacking catapults entirely.

    An assessment of satellite images carried in May 2019 out by the prominent Washington D.C. based think tank, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, has confirmed that the Type 002 Class will be a flattop warship integrating a catapult launch system - the first of its kind to enter service in outside the Western Bloc. Images showed the warship’s construction in the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai, where many of the country’s largest warships including the Type 052D and Type 055 Class destroyers have been built. The Type 002’s induction will go a long way towards providing the PLA Navy with qualitative parity with the U.S., and will provide capabilities considerably ahead of those of all other carrier powers. The warship is also estimated to have a significantly higher displacement than its predecessors of approximately 85,000 tons - with the Type 001 displacing just 55,000 tons without its weapons and aircraft load and 70,000 tons when fully loaded. Given that China previously looked to the prematurely terminated Kuznetsov Class carrier program for inspiration for its Type 001 Class design, there remains a considerable chance that the Type 002 Class is also derived from a Soviet platform - the Ulyanovsk Class. The first of these Soviet flattops was laid down but never completed due to the state’s collapse, and also integrated a catapult launch system and had an 80,000-85,000 ton displacement.

    Alongside its integration of EMALS, the Type 002 is expected to retain a number of advantages over its predecessors including a larger fighter complement, a higher endurance, a heavier armament, more powerful sensors and superior electronics. It has been widely speculated that a second fighter class could deploy from the carrier alongside the J-15 Flying Shark air superiority fighter, a lighter platform integrating stealth capabilities and primarily assigned a strike role. This has yet to be confirmed, but a variant of the Shenyang J-31 adapted for deployment from aircraft carriers was reportedly under consideration. The J-15 design itself will integrate a number of upgrades for deployment from the Type 002 Class, bringing its performance up to a '4++ generation' standard. Alongside modification to deploy from an EMALS system, the fighters are expected to integrate an AESA radar and three dimensional thrust vectoring engines, a modified airframe making greater use of composites and compatibility with newer missiles such as the PL-15 and YJ-12 for air to air and anti ship missions respectively among other enhancements. A variant of the J-15 specialised in electronic warfare, known as J-15D, is also expected to be deployed to provide Chinese strike groups with an analogue to the American E/A-18G Growler - albeit a far faster, longer ranged one capable of higher altitudes. The carrier is also expected to deploy KJ-600 airborne early warning and control aircraft, which will provide a direct analogue to the U.S. Navy’s Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. The Type 002 is likely to be the first of many supercarriers deployed by the PLA, though it may be the only one of its class to be built as the Navy indicates plans for Type 003 Class ships - heavier platforms with an expected displacement well over 100,000 tons and possibly nuclear propulsion systems. The carriers will be escorted by a new generation of Chinese destroyers, namely the Type 052D and Type 055, which provide multi layered air defence and extreme range anti ship capabilities to ensure the security of the flagships.

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    Post  ChineseTiger Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:50 am

    walle83 wrote:Lightspeed construction right now.
    I think this lady will be launched well before the year ends. Maybe even by the late summer.

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    Still a long way to go. Need at least 2 more 003 before switching to 004 sometime in the mid to late 2020s time frame. By early 2030s China must have at least 6 carriers operational to increase soft power.
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    Post  walle83 Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:52 am

    Finty wrote:Found this article a while ago but only got round to reading it now. Dates from March 2019.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-s-85-000-ton-type-002-carrier-will-be-a-high-tech-emals-equipped-peer-to-america-s-gerald-ford-class


    China’s 85,000 Ton Type 002 Carrier Will Be a High Tech EMALS Equipped Peer to America’s Gerald Ford Class


    Analysts have long speculated the nature of the third aircraft carrier to be commissioned by the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy, one of four platforms the service is expected to deploy by the mid 2020s alongside three Type 075 heavy helicopter carriers which are speculated to be intended to carry specialised vertical landing capable fixed wing fighter aircraft. The Type 002 carrier will follow on from the Liaoning - a Type 001 Class ship which entered service in 2012, and the yet unnamed Type 001A Class ship currently undergoing sea trials. Unlike its two predecessors, both of which are derived from the Soviet Kuznetsov Class design and integrate ski jump launch systems, the new warship is expected to be a flattop vessel with a catapult launch system. The PLA’s announcement of the successful development of an electromagnetic launch system (EMALS), and its repeated testing of such systems on land observed for half a decade using what appear to be J-15 Flying Shark fighters modified for compatibility with the system, has made its integration onto the Type 002 Class highly likely. Integration of an electromagnetic launch system was confirmed by Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo in 2017, though his claims were seriously questioned by many Western analysts which alleged that such a launch system would be beyond the capabilities of the PLA due to its sophistication. While most carrier designs today lack catapult launch systems due to their considerable costs, of the three serving classes which do deploy catapults only one integrates EMALS - the American Gerald Ford Class - with the remaining two using far cheaper and less complex steam systems. The system provides considerable advantages to carrier air wings, which alongside taking less space on the warships allow aircraft to take off with a heavier payload and more fuel. This provides carrier based fighters with a considerable advantage over those deployed from carriers with either steam catapults or lacking catapults entirely.

    An assessment of satellite images carried in May 2019 out by the prominent Washington D.C. based think tank, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, has confirmed that the Type 002 Class will be a flattop warship integrating a catapult launch system - the first of its kind to enter service in outside the Western Bloc. Images showed the warship’s construction in the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai, where many of the country’s largest warships including the Type 052D and Type 055 Class destroyers have been built. The Type 002’s induction will go a long way towards providing the PLA Navy with qualitative parity with the U.S., and will provide capabilities considerably ahead of those of all other carrier powers. The warship is also estimated to have a significantly higher displacement than its predecessors of approximately 85,000 tons - with the Type 001 displacing just 55,000 tons without its weapons and aircraft load and 70,000 tons when fully loaded. Given that China previously looked to the prematurely terminated Kuznetsov Class carrier program for inspiration for its Type 001 Class design, there remains a considerable chance that the Type 002 Class is also derived from a Soviet platform - the Ulyanovsk Class. The first of these Soviet flattops was laid down but never completed due to the state’s collapse, and also integrated a catapult launch system and had an 80,000-85,000 ton displacement.

    Alongside its integration of EMALS, the Type 002 is expected to retain a number of advantages over its predecessors including a larger fighter complement, a higher endurance, a heavier armament, more powerful sensors and superior electronics. It has been widely speculated that a second fighter class could deploy from the carrier alongside the J-15 Flying Shark air superiority fighter, a lighter platform integrating stealth capabilities and primarily assigned a strike role. This has yet to be confirmed, but a variant of the Shenyang J-31 adapted for deployment from aircraft carriers was reportedly under consideration. The J-15 design itself will integrate a number of upgrades for deployment from the Type 002 Class, bringing its performance up to a '4++ generation' standard. Alongside modification to deploy from an EMALS system, the fighters are expected to integrate an AESA radar and three dimensional thrust vectoring engines, a modified airframe making greater use of composites and compatibility with newer missiles such as the PL-15 and YJ-12 for air to air and anti ship missions respectively among other enhancements. A variant of the J-15 specialised in electronic warfare, known as J-15D, is also expected to be deployed to provide Chinese strike groups with an analogue to the American E/A-18G Growler - albeit a far faster, longer ranged one capable of higher altitudes. The carrier is also expected to deploy KJ-600 airborne early warning and control aircraft, which will provide a direct analogue to the U.S. Navy’s Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. The Type 002 is likely to be the first of many supercarriers deployed by the PLA, though it may be the only one of its class to be built as the Navy indicates plans for Type 003 Class ships - heavier platforms with an expected displacement well over 100,000 tons and possibly nuclear propulsion systems. The carriers will be escorted by a new generation of Chinese destroyers, namely the Type 052D and Type 055, which provide multi layered air defence and extreme range anti ship capabilities to ensure the security of the flagships.


    When the author dont even know the difference between the Type 002 and Type 003 you know its written by a hack. Also the 003 has not much in common with the Soviet Ulyanovsk. The Ulyanovsk had ski-jump and steam catapults, the 003 has EMALS cat. The Uly would have had heavy anti-ship and air defence systems like the Kuznetsovs, the 003 has more of a western design relaying more on its company at sea, the type-055 destroyer.
    I would think they copied some parts of the hull from the type-001 and 002 (Kuznetsov) but otherwise I would say this is a completly new class of carrier.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:15 am

    China’s 85,000 Ton Type 002 Carrier Will Be a High Tech EMALS Equipped Peer to America’s Gerald Ford Class

    I hope it is not peer to Fords EMALS... I don't think the Chinese would build an aircraft carrier with EMALS that does not work...

    The only aircraft on that carrier that would actually need EMALS for takeoff would be the new AWACS platform, so if it doesn't work well to start with it is not as much of a problem for them as it is for the US whose F-35C model that requires cat takeoff can't take off without it and cannot land vertically.
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    Post  lancelot Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:59 am

    Their EMALS uses a completely different system. It was rushed into the carrier though. Their Navy originally wanted to use steam catapults but the Navy researchers of the EMALS program (led by Rear Admiral Ma Weiming) managed to convince the leadership to use EMALS so the ship design got changed real late in the game.
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    Post  walle83 Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:40 am

    lancelot wrote:Their EMALS uses a completely different system. It was rushed into the carrier though. Their Navy originally wanted to use steam catapults but the Navy researchers of the EMALS program (led by Rear Admiral Ma Weiming) managed to convince the leadership to use EMALS so the ship design got changed real late in the game.

    For the Admirals sake I hope they work.
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    Post  ChineseTiger Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:31 am

    The rate of construction is frustratingly slow. For the next two 003 they should build them simultaneously at 2 ship yards.
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    Post  Dima Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:41 pm

    ChineseTiger wrote:Still a long way to go. Need at least 2 more 003 before switching to 004 sometime in the mid to late 2020s time frame. By early 2030s China must have at least 6 carriers operational to increase soft power.
    More than the lack of progress on more carriers, what I find concerning is lack of new orders for more Type-054A and its successors.

    Wish to see the Type-054A/successor getting a propulsion change - change over from the 4 x ~7500hp units to 4 x 10,000+hp CODAD Or 2 x M90FR/similar + 2 x 10,000+hp CODAG.

    Also, hope the Type-055 successors change over to N-propulsion.

    If your main adversary is an empire that want to destroy you by any means possible, you need to have more ships to keep the devil at bay by squeezing the balls located in the pacific, IOR and from the devils own backyard. This will force the empire to divert more assets to safe guarding his balls and in the process withdrawn inwards.
    This is what I have been saying w.r.t Russian navy as well. More ships.
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    Post  ChineseTiger Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:54 pm

    magazing rendering of a 003 carrier and a 055 destroyer


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    Post  walle83 Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:55 am

    ChineseTiger wrote:magazing rendering of a 003 carrier and a 055 destroyer


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    With a J-20 launch, yeah that looks real Rolling Eyes
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    Post  walle83 Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:13 am

    Hole wrote:Chinese aircraft carrier program - Page 10 000626

    The lengh is sort of right. Although the beam is probably a few meter wider. Best gess 76-78 meters.
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    Post  ChineseTiger Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:45 am

    walle83 wrote:
    ChineseTiger wrote:magazing rendering of a 003 carrier and a 055 destroyer


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    With a J-20 launch, yeah that looks real Rolling Eyes

    J-31 amigo
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    Post  walle83 Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:35 am

    ChineseTiger wrote:
    J-31 amigo

    Yep. The air intakes and nose tricked me there for a minute.
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    Post  walle83 Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:53 pm

    Latest picture of the 003.

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    Some one did a very realistic comparment of the 003 and the US Ford class using the latest pictures.

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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:57 pm

    The mid mounted tower looks better than the container ship look of the Ford.

    I think China's only concern here should be the jets. It would sure be better if the J-31 was entering production now.
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    Post  lancelot Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:31 am

    Backman wrote:The mid mounted tower looks better than the container ship look of the Ford.
    I think China's only concern here should be the jets. It would sure be better if the J-31 was entering production now.

    There is plenty of time for this. They need to launch the carrier, fit the equipment, and run trials with it.
    By the time the carrier is in service the aircraft will show up sooner or later.
    They have the J-15T design as a backup plus people recently spotted what is likely a prototype of the carrier version of the J-31.

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    Post  Finty Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:56 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/military/202107061083322556-photos-chinas-type-003-super-carrier-takes-final-shape-at-shanghai-shipyard-as-launch-date-nears/

    Photos: China’s Type 003 Super Carrier Takes Final Shape at Shanghai Shipyard as Launch Date Nears

    Already larger than the US Navy, China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy is steadily replacing older warships with advanced vessels, including a powerful new missile cruiser class, amphibious assault ships, and a new super carrier.

    New photos of Jiangnan shipyard in the Chinese port city of Shanghai show that the country’s newest aircraft carrier, the as-yet-unnamed Type 003, is nearing completion after the flight deck and command island were recently installed. The warship is expected to become the world’s largest aircraft carrier outside the US Navy.

    The photos show that in recent weeks the carrier’s angled flight deck has been installed above the hull and the distinctive command island has been lowered onto it, giving a broad impression of what the warship’s final appearance and dimensions will be.

    ​According to Naval News, the Type 003 will be 1,050 feet long, about 43 feet shorter than the US Navy’s newest carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford, and with a slightly narrower flight deck. However, due to some minor design differences, including having two aircraft elevators instead of three, the Chinese carrier will have a slightly larger flight deck surface area of 209,904.9 square feet (19,500.8 square meters).
    However, like the Ford, the Type 003 will launch aircraft using one of three electromagnetic aircraft launch systems (EMALS), giving it the ability to launch larger aircraft with heavier fuel and weapons loads than other Chinese carriers, which use a more reliable, but less flexible method of launching planes off a bow ramp.

    ​One of those aircraft is anticipated to be revealed soon by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation: a carrier-based fighter provisionally called the J-35 by Western observers, which is believed to be based on the FC-31 Shenyang has been testing for years. A fifth-generation stealth aircraft, the FC-31 is considered broadly comparable to the US military’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, two of the three versions of which are capable of operating from aircraft carriers.

    However, no formal announcement has yet been made about the so-called J-35, despite the appearance of aircraft models similar to the FC-31 at a carrier mock-up in Wuhan.

    ​More immediately, Shenyang appears to have produced another batch of J-15 “Flying Shark” fighters, a carrier-based jet with a shared ancestry to the J-11B and Russia’s Su-33 fighter. The large aircraft has not reached its full potential flying from China’s two other carriers, Liaoning and Shandong, which use bow ramps.


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    Post  walle83 Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:14 pm

    Report from CSIS.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/progress-report-chinas-type-003-carrier

    "Several key elements of the Type 003’s design can now be confirmed:

    China’s newest carrier will feature a flat-top flight deck; three channels for operation of the Type 003’s catapult-assisted launch system, each measuring approximately 105 meters, are clearly visible on the vessel’s deck.

    Although partially obscured in the image, the Type 003’s two aircraft elevators appear to be several meters wider than those of its predecessor, the Shandong.

    The island of the Type 003—which houses the command center for flight deck operations along with radar and communication equipment—has been reconfigured to have a smaller footprint compared to China’s other carriers.
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    Post  walle83 Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:17 pm

    China has updated its static training carrier to 003 layout.
    Note that both the KJ-600 and J-31 fighter can be seen on the flight deck. Its cant get more clear that both the aircrafts will join the fixed wings on the 003 and forward carriers.

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