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    Uzbekistan return to Russian sphere of influence

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:39 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    You didn't get the reference

    Well for the best probably, that guy is a twat

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:48 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    You can't compare Uzbekistan to Kazakhstan

    Uzbekistan despite being a poorer and less developed country, has a magnitude more inherent stability to it than Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan was nearly blitzkrieg'd in 4 days, and the elites had to invite the CSTO to boost the morale of their own security forces. Uzbekistan like I said, always took care of its own business. It's people aren't split by region, clan or whatever. Samarkand was a centre of civilization and trade for centuries while the Kazakhs only left the nomadic lifestyle last century.

    The main problems Uzbekistan faces are Islamism, and poverty which can erupt into uprisings by the underclasses. The first its own security forces dealt with and put a lid on, while the second has been solved by exporting surplus Uzbek labour to Russia, as well as a quick pace of economic growth in recent years. Apparently Russia and Uzbekistan have even been discussing a deal to bring masses of abandoned Russian agricultural land into circulation by settling these areas with as much as 1-2 million Uzbek labourers.

    If u have ever visited Uzbekistan you would realise that majority of the people are unhappy with the government, and your actually wrong on the part that Uzbekistan isn't split in regions, there are quite a lot of cultural and almost tribal differences, I noticed it more as I travelled further from Tashkent. There was even a small scale fight at a road check point where occupants of two cars (8 people) attacked the police check point over corruption, we were in a car few cars back, the police fled and left check point unmanned. It was the only time our driver never had to pay police at a check point. The police aren't paid well so end up charging cars small money to pass, if not they will find some excuse to give u a fine, normally finding fault with the car. It's quite common practice, it even happens here on a daily basis (currently living in Uganda). And I guess the occupants of these cars had enough of it. Not all riots etc are caused by government actions but sometimes by something smaller that erupts and then gets out of hand and before u know it the nation are up in arms.

    Kazakhstan is a fairly wealthy nation and living conditions in the most populated areas are fairly good. And yet disgruntled people came to the streets over a fuel hike. Yet living conditions and Various other expenses across the board in Uzbekistan are not good for the majority of the population. And people have their limits, and these types of living conditions can push people over the edge when they see they have no other option, and add extremist views into the mix (as u clearly already stated already exists) and this could be easily exacerbated when a large influx of Uzbek terrorists come back from Syria, and let's not forget a USA/CIA backing and stirring of the pot, and it can all explode into chaos.

    To sit back and think it can never happen to me attitude, would be very foolish. I bet Kazakhstan and it well trained forces (better than Uzbek) never thought they were going to see or expect what happened. The more instability in countries on Russia's border the better it is for the USA and that's what the USA want, and let's not forget disruption of the Chinese belt and road initiative.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:51 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    You didn't get the reference

    Well for the best probably, that guy is a twat

    I presume he's talking about the guy on YouTube, yes Ur right he is a twat, I can't stand his BS. And won't watch his crap
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:04 am

    I am struggling to find where i said anything in Ur statement above.

    My post was not related to your post, when I posted I had not read your post.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:21 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    Not at all buddy, you didn't get the joke.Laughing
    There is a YT channel made by a Scottish guy, called "bold&banqrupted".
    Guy traveled functionally all the ex-SU republics.
    With the great social and interpersonal skills, he presents, gets a warm welcome in any place he visits, so there is no joke if he stays a night in a "worst hotel in Kirgistan", or walks through the most crime notorious neighborhood of Kishinev. Plus, he talks quite fluent Russian.
    AZ5 was addressing that channel&a great guy who makes it respekt
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:30 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I am struggling to find where i said anything in Ur statement above.

    My post was not related to your post, when I posted I had not read your post.

    Apologies
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:40 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    Not at all buddy, you didn't get the joke.Laughing
    There is a YT channel made by a Scottish guy, called "bold&banqrupted".
    Guy traveled functionally all the ex-SU republics.
    With the great social and interpersonal skills, he presents, gets a warm welcome in any place he visits, so there is no joke if he stays a night in a "worst hotel in Kirgistan", or walks through the most crime notorious neighborhood of Kishinev. Plus, he talks quite fluent Russian.
    AZ5 was addressing that channel&a great guy who makes it respekt

    I've seen this guy's stuff, he isn't that great, and mocks locals, and once received backlash for a bad taste video he made.

    Where ever I travel to I eat local, drink local, live local, and I respect and embrace the culture.

    I started a small YouTube for a way for me to store videos online and for friends and family to view. And suddenly I had over 500 subscribers. It wasn't my intention as I never promoted it. I have over 7,000 pics from my travels, I have posted a few on this forum under various threads. But since 2017 I haven't been travelling as much, and have been mainly doing unpaid charity work in Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda, but mainly the latter two. I live in the slums, I did so for two years. I currently float between Uganda and Scotland.

    I initially thought it was an insult, before realising talking about the guy on YouTube. In fact I am almost bald and not quite bankrupt, but definitely have a small bank balance and drive around in a 31yrs old mercedes when in Scotland lol!

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