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    Uzbekistan return to Russian sphere of influence

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:39 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    You didn't get the reference

    Well for the best probably, that guy is a twat

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:48 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    You can't compare Uzbekistan to Kazakhstan

    Uzbekistan despite being a poorer and less developed country, has a magnitude more inherent stability to it than Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan was nearly blitzkrieg'd in 4 days, and the elites had to invite the CSTO to boost the morale of their own security forces. Uzbekistan like I said, always took care of its own business. It's people aren't split by region, clan or whatever. Samarkand was a centre of civilization and trade for centuries while the Kazakhs only left the nomadic lifestyle last century.

    The main problems Uzbekistan faces are Islamism, and poverty which can erupt into uprisings by the underclasses. The first its own security forces dealt with and put a lid on, while the second has been solved by exporting surplus Uzbek labour to Russia, as well as a quick pace of economic growth in recent years. Apparently Russia and Uzbekistan have even been discussing a deal to bring masses of abandoned Russian agricultural land into circulation by settling these areas with as much as 1-2 million Uzbek labourers.

    If u have ever visited Uzbekistan you would realise that majority of the people are unhappy with the government, and your actually wrong on the part that Uzbekistan isn't split in regions, there are quite a lot of cultural and almost tribal differences, I noticed it more as I travelled further from Tashkent. There was even a small scale fight at a road check point where occupants of two cars (8 people) attacked the police check point over corruption, we were in a car few cars back, the police fled and left check point unmanned. It was the only time our driver never had to pay police at a check point. The police aren't paid well so end up charging cars small money to pass, if not they will find some excuse to give u a fine, normally finding fault with the car. It's quite common practice, it even happens here on a daily basis (currently living in Uganda). And I guess the occupants of these cars had enough of it. Not all riots etc are caused by government actions but sometimes by something smaller that erupts and then gets out of hand and before u know it the nation are up in arms.

    Kazakhstan is a fairly wealthy nation and living conditions in the most populated areas are fairly good. And yet disgruntled people came to the streets over a fuel hike. Yet living conditions and Various other expenses across the board in Uzbekistan are not good for the majority of the population. And people have their limits, and these types of living conditions can push people over the edge when they see they have no other option, and add extremist views into the mix (as u clearly already stated already exists) and this could be easily exacerbated when a large influx of Uzbek terrorists come back from Syria, and let's not forget a USA/CIA backing and stirring of the pot, and it can all explode into chaos.

    To sit back and think it can never happen to me attitude, would be very foolish. I bet Kazakhstan and it well trained forces (better than Uzbek) never thought they were going to see or expect what happened. The more instability in countries on Russia's border the better it is for the USA and that's what the USA want, and let's not forget disruption of the Chinese belt and road initiative.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:51 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    You didn't get the reference

    Well for the best probably, that guy is a twat

    I presume he's talking about the guy on YouTube, yes Ur right he is a twat, I can't stand his BS. And won't watch his crap
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:04 am

    I am struggling to find where i said anything in Ur statement above.

    My post was not related to your post, when I posted I had not read your post.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:21 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    Not at all buddy, you didn't get the joke.Laughing
    There is a YT channel made by a Scottish guy, called "bold&banqrupted".
    Guy traveled functionally all the ex-SU republics.
    With the great social and interpersonal skills, he presents, gets a warm welcome in any place he visits, so there is no joke if he stays a night in a "worst hotel in Kirgistan", or walks through the most crime notorious neighborhood of Kishinev. Plus, he talks quite fluent Russian.
    AZ5 was addressing that channel&a great guy who makes it respekt
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:30 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I am struggling to find where i said anything in Ur statement above.

    My post was not related to your post, when I posted I had not read your post.

    Apologies
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:40 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:When I visited Uzbekistan there was loads of police check points but only a handful of police at each check point, but as we have seen in Kazakhstan the security forces had a hard time, I feel if this scenario erupted across the major cities in Uzbekistan it could be a huge problem, and the last thing Russia or other central Asian countries want is an unstable Uzbekistan and USA would not only relish in an unstable Uzbekistan but also support it. Uzbekistan has in the past been the one central Asian country that's had close relations with USA more so than the others. And an unstable Uzbekistan would encourage Isis etc into the country. If I was Uzbekistan I would be joining CSTO again, u can never be too careful with the USA and it's dirty tricks.

    Off topic, I really enjoyed my time in Uzbekistan (Inc Aral sea), Tajikistan (Inc Pamir highway),and  Kyrgyzstan even swam in the Russian torpedo testing lake, it was crystal clear. I highly recommend central Asia.

    Are you bald by any chance? Ever been bankrupt? Laughing

    Insults is your best contribution?

    Not at all buddy, you didn't get the joke.Laughing
    There is a YT channel made by a Scottish guy, called "bold&banqrupted".
    Guy traveled functionally all the ex-SU republics.
    With the great social and interpersonal skills, he presents, gets a warm welcome in any place he visits, so there is no joke if he stays a night in a "worst hotel in Kirgistan", or walks through the most crime notorious neighborhood of Kishinev. Plus, he talks quite fluent Russian.
    AZ5 was addressing that channel&a great guy who makes it respekt

    I've seen this guy's stuff, he isn't that great, and mocks locals, and once received backlash for a bad taste video he made.

    Where ever I travel to I eat local, drink local, live local, and I respect and embrace the culture.

    I started a small YouTube for a way for me to store videos online and for friends and family to view. And suddenly I had over 500 subscribers. It wasn't my intention as I never promoted it. I have over 7,000 pics from my travels, I have posted a few on this forum under various threads. But since 2017 I haven't been travelling as much, and have been mainly doing unpaid charity work in Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda, but mainly the latter two. I live in the slums, I did so for two years. I currently float between Uganda and Scotland.

    I initially thought it was an insult, before realising talking about the guy on YouTube. In fact I am almost bald and not quite bankrupt, but definitely have a small bank balance and drive around in a 31yrs old mercedes when in Scotland lol!

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri May 13, 2022 8:15 pm

    https://aviation21.ru/kooperaciya-rossii-i-uzbekistana-v-aviastroenii-perspektivy-i-vozmozhnosti/

    Cooperation between Russia and Uzbekistan in the aircraft industry. Prospects and opportunities
    05/13/2022, 13:55 188
    TAPOiCH, 1987. Assembly of IL-76. Photo from the Museum of S.V. Ilyushin / © PJSC "IL"
    At the international industrial exhibition "Innoprom. Central Asia 2022”, which was held in April in Tashkent, the Governor of the Ulyanovsk region Alexei Russkikh expressed the opinion that the Republic of Uzbekistan retained competencies in the field of aircraft manufacturing, and in the future we can talk about the resumption of production of heavy transport aircraft Il-76.

    Earlier in March, the possibilities of cooperation were discussed in Kazan at a round table on investment and economic cooperation between Uzbekistan and Tatarstan. Assistant to the President of Tatarstan Ravil Zaripov noted that the republic is counting on mutual cooperation in the joint production of some components for the Tu-214 passenger aircraft, the increase in production of which is planned at the Kazan Aviation Plant.

    Deputy Minister of Investments and Foreign Trade of Uzbekistan Khurram Teshabaev then said during the round table that there were already agreements to expand the list of component base produced at the Tashkent Mechanical Plant.

    The issues of cooperation between Moscow and Tashkent in the aircraft industry have been raised at different levels more than once. Russia is interested in joint work. Uzbekistan is the most industrially developed state among other republics of Central Asia and Kazakhstan. But today it is impossible to resume the production of IL-76 in Uzbekistan. There are several reasons.

    Firstly, the TAPOiCh plant in Tashkent ceased to exist in 2012, when it was transformed into the Tashkent Mechanical Plant. For 10 years, a significant part of the equipment for the construction of aircraft has been dismantled, and the enterprise itself has changed its production profile, now it produces consumer goods, as well as components and spare parts for railway transport.

    Secondly, the issue of technology remains open. Even if TMZ retains all the industrial equipment that was used to build the Il-76, it is already outdated both morally and physically, and a complete re-equipment of the plant would be required. In Ulyanovsk, for example, it took more than five years to introduce a modern assembly line for the IL-76MD-90A stackless assembly and to produce the first four machines on this line. Huge financial resources were invested, specialists and engineering staff were trained. Modern technologies that are used in the construction of Il-76MD-90A aircraft are very different from what was previously used in Tashkent.

    But despite this, the republic has the potential and opportunities for cooperation in the aircraft industry - this is the production of components. The Uzbekistan Airways Technics enterprise operates in Uzbekistan, formerly the 243rd aircraft repair plant, where the repair and maintenance of all Soviet Aeroflot equipment was carried out. UAT has competencies in the field of maintenance and repair of modern Boeing and Airbus aircraft, aircraft painting, inspection of aircraft components, manufacturing of cabin equipment, maintenance and repair of aggregates and components made of PCM.

    In addition, Uzbekistan has a wide and well-equipped base for smelting metals, metalworking, manufacturing rubber and polymer-plastic products. The necessary capacities are functioning in Tashkent and other cities of the republic, including at the Tashkent Mechanical Plant. Therefore, the competence for the production of components for the needs of the aircraft industry in the republic is sufficient, and attracting these capacities to participate in cooperation in the construction of Tu-214 aircraft is a very real task.

    The issue of resuming cooperation with Uzbekistan in the aircraft industry did not arise by chance or because of anti-Russian sanctions against domestic civil aviation. Back in 2017, Dmitry Rogozin, who then held the post of branch vice-premier, came to Tashkent. He discussed with the leadership of the republic two promising projects - cooperation in the production of MS-21 and the creation of a center for the maintenance of these aircraft.

    In December 2020, the President of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirziyoyev told the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov about his desire to revive the aircraft plant in Tashkent. However, at present, issues of cooperation in the aircraft industry remain at the stage of preliminary proposals and discussions. It will be possible to return to more detailed negotiations and the development of specific joint actions in a few years, when the production of the MS-21, Il-114-300, Tu-214, Ladoga and Baikal aircraft will be fully established.

    At present, the issue of training and skill level of engineering and technical personnel and blue-collar workers remains open. In 2008, by a decree of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Republic of Uzbekistan, the Tashkent State Aviation Institute was liquidated and included in the Tashkent State Technical University as the “Aviation Faculty”. Since August 2020, it has been the Department of Aviation Engineering as part of the Tashkent State Transport University. As stated on the website of the university, the department is a preparatory part of the Faculty of Aviation and Transport Engineering, which also includes the Department of Air Navigation Systems.

    Now the Department of Aviation Engineering trains in seven specialties:

    "Technical operation of aircraft";
    "Aircraft";
    "Technical and technological operation of unmanned aerial systems";
    "Aviation engineering (aviation)";
    "Aviation engineering (aviation complexes of unmanned aerial vehicles)";
    "Design and operation of drones";
    "Operation of Aircraft and Aircraft Engines".
    A small department, reorganized from a large institute, is completely insufficient for the resumption of a full-fledged modern aircraft industry in a state with a population of 30-35 million people. Therefore, in order to use high-tech equipment and build modern aircraft, it is advisable to organize the process of training specialists from Uzbekistan in Russian universities. After the collapse of the USSR, most of the specialists moved from Tashkent to Voronezh and Ulyanovsk. Now the shortage of personnel in the aircraft industry is the main problem of Uzbekistan, Russia can help in solving it.

    Andrey Velichko
    for the Aviation of Russia website

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