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    U.S Military encirclement of China

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:49 am

    The problem is that the Republicans are not very smart.

    The democraps were able to force Trump to reverse his stated policy of good relations with Russia by goading him into proving he was not putins tool... putins puppet...

    Essentially they got him to do the opposite of what he wanted to do, what he stated he wanted to do and to do exactly what they were going to try to do if they got into power.

    The result was Trump was an orange hillary but more willing to build walls and tear up agreements with everyone.

    The real question will be can the republicans goad Biden into going hardline against China...

    The irony is that Russia has a growing stable economy but it is no threat to the west in terms of economics.

    In terms of military power Russia is and remains the biggest threat to the west and if Russia acted like the west does then the west would certainly be in trouble... but Russia acts with respect and integrity and mainly in self defence so really only a threat to a country wanting to invade Russia or break her up... so obviously the west is afraid because that is exactly what they want.

    China on the other hand is more of a production superpower and a real economic threat to the west, though still rather weak in military terms... but threats of interference from the west is making them look to become more independent and resilient and part of that is boosting military spending in various areas.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:31 pm

    As I expected, USN will forward deploy in the IO:
    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/12/12/a-us-numbered-fleet-in-the-indian-ocean-and-new-delhis-interests-in-the-region/
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    Post  Backman Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:49 am


    The potential bifurcation between the US and China is good for Russia. This isn't huge but Comac is officially in the crosshairs which is good to see. The 919 is a western aircraft with a fuselage made in China. Let sanctions be upon it. Smile

    Trump administration adds China's Comac, Xiaomi to Chinese military blacklist

    Jan 14, 2021 •


    WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Thursday added nine Chinese firms to a blacklist of alleged Chinese military companies, including planemaker Comac and mobile phone maker Xiaomi, according to a document seen by Reuters.

    The companies will be subject to a new U.S. investment ban which forces American investors to divest their holdings of the blacklisted firms by Nov. 11, 2021.

    The Chinese Embassy in Washington, Xiaomi and Comac did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    The expanding blacklist is part of a bid by President Donald Trump to cement his tough-on-China legacy in the waning days of his presidency.

    It was mandated by a 1999 law requiring the Defense Department to compile a catalog of companies owned or controlled by the Chinese military. The Pentagon, which only began complying this year, has so far added 35 companies, including oil giant CNOOC and China’s top chipmaker SMIC.

    In November, Trump sought to give the law teeth by signing an executive order banning U.S. investment of the blacklisted firms. (Writing and additional reporting by Alexandra Alper Editing by Chizu Nomiyama and Alistair Bell)
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:06 am

    Trump has spent his term forcing Europe and the US to push Russia away and to an extent China too... Russia got the message... but China is too invested in the west to just give up that easily... which is not to say they wont turn their back on the west completely... certainly they have invested enormous energy and money and time to new trade routes to get their goods to Europe and vice versa...

    If they keep printing money the way they are... who is going to keep accepting it as a real currency?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:04 am

    Straight from the horse's mouth: Declassified Report Shows How US Wants To Co-Opt India Into Its Anti-China Strategy ‘For Next 50 Years’

    My comments would be the same as before & thus redundant here.


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    Post  Aristide Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:09 am

    China is a tyranny and a big threat in the pacific region. Australia learned this quite recently and it is good to see Australia acting against China now. France is a nuclear power and we have enormous areas in the pacific, Polynesia, New Caledonia are our spearhead in the region and provide Australia with a direct nuclear umbrella.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:26 am

    Australia isn't even worth to be nuked, unless her allies bring their nukes there.
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    Post  par far Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:30 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Straight from the horse's mouth: Declassified Report Shows How US Wants To Co-Opt India Into Its Anti-China Strategy ‘For Next 50 Years’

    My comments would be the same as before & thus redundant here.


    Modi and the Hindu fascists are destroying India.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:43 pm

    How England and Japan are going to contain China

    Both r US allies, but I wonder if the JMSDF will ever send its ships, incl. carriers, to the N. Atlantic.


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    Post  andalusia Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:22 am

    This is an interesting piece on Youtube about the Russia China partnership. What do you guys think?


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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:13 pm

    andalusia wrote:This is an interesting piece on Youtube about the Russia China partnership. What do you guys think?



    Caspian Reports mostly go into the Western Propaganda Thread.
    As for opinions, things look ok until the 7:10 mark, then it all go's down hill, typical of Western "experts" they put far too much importance on sheer military spending, as if money was the Holy Grail.

    Then there the nonsense about reverse engineering to military Subordination?, which is total garbage.

    The demographic situation is the only thing that holds some weight of concern, if it's as bad as they say, we need more info on this.

    And the China seizing the Russian east, that scenario would end so badly for China that it would be beyond ridiculous.

    Everything go's off a cliff after 11:00 mark, which reveals Caspian's true intent.
    And go's full retard after the Arctic is brought up.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:42 pm

    These shmexperts do not understand that PPP is required for any fair comparison. Bloated MIC prices are not universal physical
    constants. America's huge military budget reflects internal rot and basically nothing else. Russia is clearly fielding a military and
    military tech that can neutralize any US attack on Russia.

    All the chest thumping drivel from these morons and somehow the total absence of hypersonic weapons in the US arsenal is a
    non issue. They don't even have supersonic anti-ship missiles and are still riding 1970s ICBMs with zero innovation in anti-ABM
    aspects.

    America is really the poster child for "if your only tool is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail". It is so used to its
    colonial enforcement racket that it thinks every country is a 3rd world pushover.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:56 pm

    On the topic of American ICBMs status, i am reminded this video.
    Its not just the Missiles, but the surrounding equipment to launch and support the missile also date back to the 70s.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:08 am

    Meanwhile billions of dollars are spent on these missiles as if the equipment and the missiles are all being routinely
    improved and renewed.   This is pure corruption and the riding of the "Soviet legacy" (i.e. using ancient equipment
    built in a better time) American style.  

    The thing is that if you don't spend any money on such things in the span of 50 years, then all the professionals
    that built them are long gone.   You can't just put out an ad in the paper and get replacements.   A lot of these
    high tech, specialized jobs need unique on the job training to pass the skills and knowledge which is never documented.
    But the rotten deciders in high office pretend that every job is a burger flipping job and the "market will provide".
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:23 am

    The next five years they have to negotiate a replacement for New START and they might end up realising China wont join and the UK and France wont join because China doesn't want to and Russia can't and wont make them, and UK and France wont join either and all their new hypersonic ABM evading weapons means Russia will feel just fine about the US leaving the treaty eventually because they will feel no matter what the US does they will have MAD without having to spend enormous money.

    In fact with Breeder reactors they can rapidly build up a nuclear warhead arsenal anyway... most like IRBM and IRCM weapons to deal with UK and France.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:42 pm

    Japan holds the key to Biden’s China containment strategy
    Biden administration already seeks to strengthen military alliance with Japan that was allowed to wither under Trump
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:25 am

    The US Japan relationship is not going to remain the same.

    As the US gets weaker and more desperate Japan is going to become more assertive... and Australia and South Korea are not going to like that much.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:51 am

    GarryB wrote:The US Japan relationship is not going to remain the same.

    As the US gets weaker and more desperate Japan is going to become more assertive... and Australia and South Korea are not going to like that much.

    Sorry, but Japan's Birth rate is such a joke that by the time America's truly gone, Japanese assertiveness would amount to nothing.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:18 am

    andalusia wrote:This is an interesting piece on Youtube about the Russia China partnership. What do you guys think?



    Caspian Report regurgitates Uncle Sham Think Tank propaganda, it's absolute bullshit to say the least.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:30 am

    China offered Russia a military alliance? Sinologist Nikolay Vavilov

    Makes sense! Taiwan will face its moment of truth soon.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:06 pm

    I rather suspect the US thinks they can trick Taiwan into starting a war with China which they can sit back and allow Japan and South Korea and Australia to fight against China... trying to pretend not to get involved.... it is just more of the same from the US... Ukraine and Georgia and Belarus for Russia and Pakistan and China for India and Taiwan and India for China...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:19 pm

    Two US CSGs conducted joint operations in the S China Sea again. They train for the coming war, & there's Taiwan Relations Act the Biden admin can't ignore.
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    Post  RTN Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:I rather suspect the US thinks they can trick Taiwan into starting a war with China which they can sit back and allow Japan and South Korea and Australia to fight against China... trying to pretend not to get involved.... it is just more of the same from the US... Ukraine and Georgia and Belarus for Russia and Pakistan and China for India and Taiwan and India for China...
    Wow, heroic levels of philistine somersaults. Just about as much nuance needed to get the rationale of a US paper giving centre spread space to Chinese ambasaador while PLA mounts assaults on US borders.

    Taiwan will not start a war with China no matter how much we encourage them. Ditto for Georgia, Armenia and Belarus who never had the capability to invade Russia even with U.S support.

    OTOH a joint China-Pak invasion will confine India to the thrash cans of history.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:08 am

    Sorry, but Japan's Birth rate is such a joke that by the time America's truly gone, Japanese assertiveness would amount to nothing.

    Dude... what is your focus on birth rates... I really don't think it is healthy...

    Just about as much nuance needed to get the rationale of a US paper giving centre spread space to Chinese ambasaador while PLA mounts assaults on US borders.

    China got Biden elected and America does not care... very selective in deciding what is interference and what is not...

    The rule of thumb seems to be if we do it or we approve of the outcome it is democracy and if Russia does it it is bad and sanctions must be imposed.

    Taiwan will not start a war with China no matter how much we encourage them

    They don't need to start a war... just convince them the only way they will be safe is if they declare independence like Kosovo did and you have the might of the US military protecting you...

    You know... like Georgia and the Ukraine did.

    Ditto for Georgia, Armenia and Belarus who never had the capability to invade Russia even with U.S support.

    It was Georgia and the Ukraine that murdered people they claimed were their own citizens that got Russia involved in those conflicts.

    Armenia has no interests in attacking Russia... Russia is their best friend, though their current government seems to think otherwise, though mainly through their own actions.

    And Belarus has not be colour revolutioned yet so it is a bit premature talking about them being traitors...

    OTOH a joint China-Pak invasion will confine India to the thrash cans of history.

    I don't think so... such an attack would fully justify nuclear weapon use and I rather suspect the Indias could easily wipe out Pakistan quickly enough to make China realise its enormous population makes it very vulnerable to nuclear warfare... a quick scan of the list of production centres and the most prosperous cities in China could be used as a target list and China has not gotten its ballistic missile early warning system from Russia installed yet so they would essentially be largely blind.

    But China supplies weapons to Pakistan but does not go to war with them... there were no Chinese nationals involved in 11/9...

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:49 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Sorry, but Japan's Birth rate is such a joke that by the time America's truly gone, Japanese assertiveness would amount to nothing.

    Dude... what is your focus on birth rates... I really don't think it is healthy...

    The issue is about Japan rising once more and taking on China, Birth rates tell us a country's future, and Japan's birth rates tells us that such an event isn't gonna happen. Neutral


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