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    U.S Military encirclement of China

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    Post  RTN Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:32 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I don't think so... such an attack would fully justify nuclear weapon use and I rather suspect the Indias could easily wipe out Pakistan quickly enough to make China realise its enormous population makes it very vulnerable to nuclear warfare... a quick scan of the list of production centres and the most prosperous cities in China could be used as a target list and China has not gotten its ballistic missile early warning system from Russia installed yet so they would essentially be largely blind
    I hold no candle for China, but if you start value judgements basis bean counting then India's chance of winning against the combined force of China and Pakistan is a black swan affair.

    PLA strategy is based on blitzkrieg of non-contact warfare followed by insertion of ground troops once everything is turned to dust. How will India counter such a strategy?

    Indians hardly have the requisite firepower.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:09 pm

    The issue is about Japan rising once more and taking on China, Birth rates tell us a country's future, and Japan's birth rates tells us that such an event isn't gonna happen.

    If Japan ever stood up and became an independent country again then its chances of rising up and increasing its birth rate would massively increase.... but they need to get that American chip off their shoulder... even though that is going to require them showing some balls.

    Perhaps birth rate is an indication that currently they are someones bitch, and that if they ever decide to grow a pair and start showing them that the culture might change and the population might start expanding again.

    Certainly the EU countries are unable to stand up, so why should Japan... but that doesn't make it impossible.

    I hold no candle for China, but if you start value judgements basis bean counting then India's chance of winning against the combined force of China and Pakistan is a black swan affair.

    Yeah, because Chinese military performance has been outstanding to date... except they have never coordinated a fully successful attack before.... In Korea they just sent wave after wave, and nothing since has been much more sophisticated... except kicking Trumps ass to the footpath of course.

    PLA strategy is based on blitzkrieg of non-contact warfare followed by insertion of ground troops once everything is turned to dust. How will India counter such a strategy?

    India has almost as many people to expend in combat, and many very similar weapons and systems.... a mass invasion in the age of nuclear weapons simply makes no sense... to invade you need to form up forces strong enough to break enemy lines... such formed up forces are easy targets for tactical nuclear strikes.

    Pakistan on its own invading India would not justify such an action but India should have the conventional power to stop such an invasion and make it pay.

    A combined attack from Pakistan and China means using nuclear weapons becomes the only option and certainly much more easily justifiable too.

    Being nuked while showing such aggression then Paki and China need to decide if they want to ramp things up or back off... I would suspect the latter because both are horribly vulnerable to being nuked to oblivion much like India very easily... which is not in any of their interests... though of course the US would find it very entertaining.

    Indians hardly have the requisite firepower.

    I would say the requisite fire power is there but could only be used in the case of both Pakistan and China attacking together.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The issue is about Japan rising once more and taking on China, Birth rates tell us a country's future, and Japan's birth rates tells us that such an event isn't gonna happen.

    If Japan ever stood up and became an independent country again then its chances of rising up and increasing its birth rate would massively increase.... but they need to get that American chip off their shoulder... even though that is going to require them showing some balls.

    Perhaps birth rate is an indication that currently they are someones bitch, and that if they ever decide to grow a pair and start showing them that the culture might change and the population might start expanding again.

    Certainly the EU countries are unable to stand up, so why should Japan... but that doesn't make it impossible.

    That chip on their shoulder is called Women's rights, after the U.S forced them to give their Women equality, Japan's birth rates crashed and burned.

    And the country has become very gynocentric in recent years, just like the West.
    Tokyo Olympics Chief Mori Resigns After Telling Press Briefing "Women Talk Too Much"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tokyo-olympics-chief-mori-resigns-after-telling-press-briefing-women-talk-too-much

    So unless the West falls tomorrow, and they put Women back in the kitchen the next day, they wont be a threat to anyone.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:30 pm

    France wades into South China Sea against China
    In an unmistakable sign of the growing internationalization of the South China Sea disputes, France has just confirmed the deployment of a nuclear attack submarine and naval vessel to the hotly contested waters.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:36 pm

    Hopefully with the production of all these carriers and large ships China can start to return the favour and start sailing in places the west think is their back yard and exclusive territory....
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:46 pm

    Biden building a 'democratic diamond' around China

    I would be surprised if he didn't try to do that.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:47 am

    America doesn't know what democracy is.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:00 pm

    We have fake democracy inspired by ancient Rome, 17 century England, & Native American traditions but it's being run by plutocracy. Even in ancient Greece & in independent Novgorod only free citizens could exercise it.
    Stalin, Mao & Gorbachev had democratization drives under 1 party rule. Constitutional monarchies & Iranian theocracy also have parliaments.
    Is political system in NZ a true democracy? In any case, is it ideal for NZ, with QE2 as the formal head of state?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:40 pm

    We have proportional representation which normally means no one party fully gets its own way all the time... means they have to negotiate more and horse trade more which means some of the more radical ideas get stopped that would otherwise sneak through.

    Essentially we suffer from the same problem most western countries suffer from... two main parties and lots of little fringe groups with the two main parties essentially being central middle of the road parties that only really differ in a couple of key areas... none of which are very important.

    National equates to republicans and Labour to democrats, but all are full of shit... on paper the Labour party set up the social welfare state but they also broke it too.

    The farmers and business owners vote for national and the less extremist lefties and less extremist greenies vote for Labour.

    It is even less interesting than US politics really... but it is not democracy either.

    Last time National was in power it held a referendum on selling state assets to earn some short term cash... ie reward the rich by selling state developed businesses with infrastructure at bargain basement prices so they can become much richer.

    Something like 70-80% of the voting population said no, but they did it anyway... they said the referendum was non biding and they had been elected into office by people wanting privatisation.... it was going to streamline the sectors and make them more competitive to save the customers money. Prices went up of course.

    Real democracy wouldn't work either... imagine the entire workforce at a company voting on everything... first of all you would be reading pages and pages of background information and voting 20-30 times a day... and sometimes the obvious choice is not the best choice...

    I would think something similar to communism where say 30% of the population are politically active and care about politics... they can dedicate the time and thought into what is best for the whole country... not just yourself, and the 70% of the population who don't give a shit and realise their opinion does not matter anyway can just get on with their lives.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:41 pm

    Vietnam, Philippines fortify South China Sea bases
    The Joe Biden administration’s increasingly tough stance against China, including multiple naval deployments to the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait in recent weeks, has emboldened smaller regional powers to stand up to the Asian powerhouse.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:11 am

    Basic colonial practise 101... get the natives to fight your battles as cannon fodder so you don't have to... feed and arm one side and when they have fought to a standstill send in your troops and dictate terms of peace going forward... obviously in your favour.
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    Post  lyle6 Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:39 am

    As if we'd even last a single day against the Chinese. Laughing
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:15 am

    China isn't nearly as strong as they portray themselves to be.
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    Post  par far Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:46 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:China isn't nearly as strong as they portray themselves to be.


    Only one way to find out.
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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:24 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:China isn't nearly as strong as they portray themselves to be.

    Neither is the USA. The USA is a paper tiger that relies on meat puppet manipulation for its global
    power. Both China and Russia are immune to this.

    The US performance in WWII, Korea and Vietnam was subpar. Its success at terrorizing weak
    and basically defenseless targets does not give it any capability for dealing with opponents that
    can and will fight back. The whole air power dominance shtick will not fly against Russia
    and China has developed enough anti-aircraft capability that it will shut down US air dominance
    delusions as well.
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    Post  Hole Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:03 pm

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/24/lab-rats-to-the-front/
    Good read.
    Spending 750+ Bill. a year and still only a third of all armored brigades combat ready. Who gets all the money (rhetorical question)? Embarassed

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:37 pm

    Hole wrote:https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/24/lab-rats-to-the-front/
    Good read.
    Spending 750+ Bill. a year and still only a third of all armored brigades combat ready. Who gets all the money (rhetorical question)? Embarassed

    cyber warfare


    These fuckers should stop munching shit as they speak. It has nothing to do with cyber you twats. It is EW.
    Calling it "cyber" feeds NATzO's new crusade on Russia over Russia's alleged violation of NATzO's sacred virginity
    with "cyber attacks".

    Of course, with zero proof of either actual action and motive for such alleged action.

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:47 pm

    Hole wrote:https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/24/lab-rats-to-the-front/
    Good read.
    Spending 750+ Bill. a year and still only a third of all armored brigades combat ready. Who gets all the money (rhetorical question)? Embarassed

    Russia should help the Taliban drive the yanquis out Afghanistan. The USSR had real business being there, the US is just planting
    a colonial foothold. Recall that it was the effort by the yanquis to install a bootlick regime in Afghanistan in the 1970s that resulted
    in the Soviet "invasion". I put the word in quotes because US invasions are always called policing actions.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:53 pm

    Alliance mulls measures to counter Beijing
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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:16 am

    Tokyo Olympics Chief Mori Resigns After Telling Press Briefing "Women Talk Too Much"

    The definition of Irony... I bet his wife was so proud he got that job... what an honour... I suspect he will never hear the end of it from his wife over losing this job.... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Razz

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:33 pm



    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/usa-missiles-03052021180700.html

    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/can-us-military-beat-china/

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/01/21/commentary/japan-commentary/india-fits-japans-indo-pacific-strategy/

    All of the above steps r not going to be enough to overcome PRC's local superiority in the China Seas.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/indo-pacific-strategy-recipe-disaster


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:38 am

    Tell me, Lloyd, honestly, how much money do you need to destroy China
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:27 pm

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:20 pm

    Unlike the US, China does not benefit from confrontation and chaos and threats of violence... something the US seems to seek out.

    Why follow a ship around with other ships when you can use satellites to plot its path feeding coordinates into certain ballistic missiles that can sink carriers...
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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:46 am

    GarryB wrote:We have proportional representation which normally means no one party fully gets its own way all the time... means they have to negotiate more and horse trade more which means some of the more radical ideas get stopped that would otherwise sneak through.

    Essentially we suffer from the same problem most western countries suffer from... two main parties and lots of little fringe groups with the two main parties essentially being central middle of the road parties that only really differ in a couple of key areas... none of which are very important.

    National equates to republicans and Labour to democrats, but all are full of shit... on paper the Labour party set up the social welfare state but they also broke it too.

    The farmers and business owners vote for national and the less extremist lefties and less extremist greenies vote for Labour.

    It is even less interesting than US politics really... but it is not democracy either.

    Last time National was in power it held a referendum on selling state assets to earn some short term cash... ie reward the rich by selling state developed businesses with infrastructure at bargain basement prices so they can become much richer.

    Something like 70-80% of the voting population said no, but they did it anyway... they said the referendum was non biding and they had been elected into office by people wanting privatisation.... it was going to streamline the sectors and make them more competitive to save the customers money. Prices went up of course.

    Real democracy wouldn't work either... imagine the entire workforce at a company voting on everything... first of all you would be reading pages and pages of background information and voting 20-30 times a day... and sometimes the obvious choice is not the best choice...

    I would think something similar to communism where say 30% of the population are politically active and care about politics... they can dedicate the time and thought into what is best for the whole country... not just yourself, and the 70% of the population who don't give a shit and realise their opinion does not matter anyway can just get on with their lives.

    Off Topic
    Canada is the same. Its truly hopeless. Look around the world. Well governed places like Russia, Singapore, Dubai and China are not democracies. I wish we could get this kind of govt in the Anglosphere one day

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