Old photos (just for comparison purposes).


Good question, it is supposed to be launched this year. Have not see any photos recently.George1 wrote:when the first ships will enter service?
Compared to the more advanced Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class, the more conventional Project 11356M Admiral Grigorovich class is a transitional class based on a proven design that is cheaper and can be quickly inducted to make up for depleting numbers in the Russian Navy.etaepsilonk wrote:Good day.
If you ask me, armament of the Grigorovich frigate is a little mystery, for me at least. Some time ago I stumbled upon one internet site:
(sorry, can't post links now).
In the Grigorovich frigate section, I had found several versions of this ship, but one particularly caught my eye. It was Project 11356.8, if I remember correctly. It had it's RBU 6000 launcher removed and had 8-cell UKSK installed in it's place (with a total of 16 launch cells). There was even a profile drawing there one could clearly see 4 VLS rows. Trouble is, I forgot this site for several months, and when I came to check again, all information about this particular ship version was gone, and I was unable to find it neither in English, nor Russian version of the site. Since I'm certainly not an expert here, I'd like to ask, could space provisions for RBU 6000 allow installation of UKSK in Pr. 11356 frigate? Please mind, that the former system hasn't been mounted on any new Russian warships, I'm not sure, if domestic version is still even in production.
Any information would be appreciated
Sorry, but I have to disagree. At least as it appears, replacement of RBU 6000 with UKSK is neither costly, nor time consuming, for example, it looks like it wouldn't require ANY hull design changes at all, and only minimal changes of weapons bay. Wouldn't a two times increase in firepower justify a little cost increaserunaway wrote:Compared to the more advanced Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class, the more conventional Project 11356M Admiral Grigorovich class is a transitional class based on a proven design that is cheaper and can be quickly inducted to make up for depleting numbers in the Russian Navy.etaepsilonk wrote:Good day.
If you ask me, armament of the Grigorovich frigate is a little mystery, for me at least. Some time ago I stumbled upon one internet site:
(sorry, can't post links now).
In the Grigorovich frigate section, I had found several versions of this ship, but one particularly caught my eye. It was Project 11356.8, if I remember correctly. It had it's RBU 6000 launcher removed and had 8-cell UKSK installed in it's place (with a total of 16 launch cells). There was even a profile drawing there one could clearly see 4 VLS rows. Trouble is, I forgot this site for several months, and when I came to check again, all information about this particular ship version was gone, and I was unable to find it neither in English, nor Russian version of the site. Since I'm certainly not an expert here, I'd like to ask, could space provisions for RBU 6000 allow installation of UKSK in Pr. 11356 frigate? Please mind, that the former system hasn't been mounted on any new Russian warships, I'm not sure, if domestic version is still even in production.
Any information would be appreciated
I doubt they can make room for an additional UKSK by removing RBU6000, which is a good and proven system, they are mounted on Gepard and Talwar class as well. Gorshkov class has 324mm torpedo tubes for Paket ASW system instead.
Basically, we don't know. The Grigorovich has had several charts/layout photos, and there is little clarity if it has RBU, two UKSK modules, or even VLS Shtil.etaepsilonk wrote:Good day.
If you ask me, armament of the Grigorovich frigate is a little mystery, for me at least. Some time ago I stumbled upon one internet site:
(sorry, can't post links now).
In the Grigorovich frigate section, I had found several versions of this ship, but one particularly caught my eye. It was Project 11356.8, if I remember correctly. It had it's RBU 6000 launcher removed and had 8-cell UKSK installed in it's place (with a total of 16 launch cells). There was even a profile drawing there one could clearly see 4 VLS rows. Trouble is, I forgot this site for several months, and when I came to check again, all information about this particular ship version was gone, and I was unable to find it neither in English, nor Russian version of the site. Since I'm certainly not an expert here, I'd like to ask, could space provisions for RBU 6000 allow installation of UKSK in Pr. 11356 frigate? Please mind, that the former system hasn't been mounted on any new Russian warships, I'm not sure, if domestic version is still even in production.
Any information would be appreciated
The RBU-6000 has several roles including anti sub, anti torpedo, and anti diver uses, for which it carries large numbers of rockets with extensive under deck ammo handling systems to move and load those rockets from where they are stored to the launcher.Please mind, that the former system hasn't been mounted on any new Russian warships, I'm not sure, if domestic version is still even in production.
Well, Russians already have some experience with Redut VLS SAMs, don't they? And I believe, 9M96 missiles are not that much different from buk ones, size-wise. If anything, Shtil could even be as little as Redut itself, just modified to accept another missile.TR1 wrote:Yes I think if they wanted to they could easily slip in another UKSK module, but the whole point of the class is to rapidly build numbers with minimal modification and cost.
It does take a lot of underdeck space though.
Honestly I am much more worried regarding VLS Shtil than keeping the RBU.
TR1 wrote:http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=366584&download=2&type=.jpg
Good news, apparently it is confirmed 11356 will have the same gun as 20380, with modern shaping.
xeno wrote:
And it is rumoured there will be a second batch 11356 (6) for Pacific fleet.
Tragedy...if both were true.
I understand 22350 is more expensive for building and still has many problems to be settled, however from POV of long term 22350 is much more promising.
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