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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:03 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:Morocco is also acquiring Pantsir-S1 in a big deal that maybe will be announced during the September meeting between putin and Mohamed VI.

    Never trust Marocco, they bought already T-80U and 2S19 MSTA-S and immidiatley shipped it to US. That shit country should be sanctioned!

    Morocco has been for decades a puppet state of the Pentagon, but if they turn around and sell the Pantsir to the U.S. then it wouldn't make much of a difference for 2 reasons:

    1.) Domestic and Export models are completely different from each other.

    2.) Pantsir uses a laser-beam riding guidance for it's missiles, which are impossible to jam!


    ...All in all NATO forces will still be getting their asses kicked by it, in which Israeli and Turkish F-16's have already been shot down.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:11 pm

    That still does not justify selling of highest quality technology unparalleled to a crapy government that has a record of stealing technology.

    Russia should not sell anyone anything better than Shilkas and S-300.
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    Post  Hachimoto Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:09 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:Morocco is also acquiring Pantsir-S1 in a big deal that maybe will be announced during the September meeting between putin and Mohamed VI.

    Never trust Marocco, they bought already T-80U

    This was enough to stop reading this BS !!
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:30 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:Morocco is also acquiring Pantsir-S1 in a big deal that maybe will be announced during the September meeting between putin and Mohamed VI.

    Never trust Marocco, they bought already T-80U

    This was enough to stop reading this BS !!

    1992 UK bought some exemplars of T-80U, but they would not be sold directly to UK from Russia so they bought it over Morocco and for a very high price ca. 5 mln USD per tank, so Russians would not ask a lot for the very low amount of tanks they were gonna purchase. They were shipped to Britian and some or at least one ended in the US and was tested on Aberdeen Proving Ground. Same was made with MSTA-S and also ended up in USA for obvious reasons, but till this day they could not bring a modern howitzer in active service equal to PZH-2000 or MSTA-S.
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    Post  medo Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:05 pm

    I agree, Pantsir is too vital for Russian air defense, that it should not be sold to Marocco, when there is a good chance they will end in US hands, even if export version use different radars and electronics.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:06 am

    The export versions would most likely be severely downgraded anyway. The radar/electronics are what (primarily) makes the Pantsir.... the Pantsir. Its missiles aren't really anything new, so they should sell downgraded versions like they do with everything else.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:07 am

    medo wrote:I agree, Pantsir is too vital for Russian air defense, that it should not be sold to Marocco, when there is a good chance they will end in US hands, even if export version use different radars and electronics.

    They could use a third party hardware like missiles and radar, optics, etc. Just so that it prevents anything considered sensitive in tech, is safe.
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:36 am

    You think the ones that went to the UAE were not at least examined by the US?
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:56 am

    TheArmenian wrote:You think the ones that went to the UAE were not at least examined by the US?

    I critize it always as soon russia sells anything top notch to any country it is for me personally like a betraying and comprimising of own defensive capabilities.
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    Post  medo Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:08 pm

    http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/35441

    На учениях в Приморье новый комплекс противовоздушной обороны "Панцирь-С" впервые поразил мишени рекордно малой величины. Они имитировали иностранные беспилотники. Система "Панцирь" в несколько раз превосходит свои зарубежные аналоги. На вооружении российской армии она уже два года. Но для этих расчётов стрельбы были дебютными.

    Russian army in trainings fire on very small targets imitating UAVs. 50mm mortar rounds were fired to altitude of 2,5 km and than they fall down with parashutes. The size of target is practically less than 0.01 m2, what show, that Pantsir have C-RAM capabilities and could detect very small stealth targets.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:30 pm

    pantsir with JANUS on KAMAZ chassis delivered to Iraq and entered service today.
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    Post  medo Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:29 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:pantsir with JANUS on KAMAZ chassis delivered to Iraq and entered service today.

    Excellent. They will be good replacement for Roland 2.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:28 am

    More than that... if they want to risk them near the front lines they offer long range IR optics and a powerful anti light anti armour rocket effective out to 10-15km... along with 30mm cannon effective to about 4km range.

    Not exactly an ideal BMPT but fairly well armed.

    Of course I don't think they would risk such a valuable system on the front line, but in rear areas where there is a chance of surprise attack 5,000 30mm shells per minute is a real powerful argument to duck and stay down...
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:11 am

    GarryB wrote:More than that... if they want to risk them near the front lines they offer long range IR optics and a powerful anti light anti armour rocket effective out to 10-15km... along with 30mm cannon effective to about 4km range.

    Not exactly an ideal BMPT but fairly well armed.

    Of course I don't think they would risk such a valuable system on the front line, but in rear areas where there is a chance of surprise attack 5,000 30mm shells per minute is a real powerful argument to duck and stay down...

    i also think this thread's name must change Smile
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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:26 am

    Russia has deployed anti-aircraft complexes Pantsir in the Arctic
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    Post  Viktor Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:12 am

    Nice number and counting ... thumbsup

    More than 200 anti-aircraft missile and gun systems "Carapace" issued since the start of production
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    Post  TR1 Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:56 am

    That includes export deliveries though.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:23 pm

    Here's an interesting rendering of the prospective Pantsir-SM shorad mounted on a Typhoon truck:

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    ...compared to the old Pantsir-S1 mounted on the same version of the Typhoon truck:

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    ...BTW this is not just some baseless fan art from the interwebz, I've reported and cited a Rostec article in the past that specifically states that they were actively talking about fitting the Pantsir Shorad module to the Kamaz trucks:




    In particular, the defense Ministry is very interested in a marine complex. Already decided that, under the sea "armor" will modernize a number of destroyers and other large ships. In addition, in the interests of Russian Ground Forces and Airborne developed a modification of the anti-aircraft missile and gun complex "armor" crawler-based KAMAZ "Typhoon-K" .

    http://rostec.ru/news/4191


    The VDV are actually interested in seeing this come to fruition, so in the future (if they manage to make it work) we might end up seeing a 'portion' of future Pantsir complexes procured with the additional capability to be air-dropped.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:55 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Here's an interesting rendering of the prospective Pantsir-SM shorad mounted on a Typhoon truck:

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    The VDV are actually interested in seeing this come to fruition, so in the future (if they manage to make it work) we might end up seeing a 'portion' of future Pantsir complexes procured with the additional capability to be air-dropped.

    This sure is interesting, would be nice to counter saturation strike by PGM's.
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    Post  mack8 Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:04 pm

    Actually, it seems the second image above is not showing the "old" version, the Pantsir-SM apparently it will have a different configuration with a minimum of 2 vehicle teams, one vehicle with one tracking and one illumination radar and 12 RTF missiles *edit: and 2 guns?!* (second image) and one with just the illumination radar and 24 RTF missiles (first image), for 36 RTF missiles in all on 2 vehicles.

    PS: Just noticed the guns, i'm not getting things wrong here, am i?
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    Post  TR1 Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:30 pm

    Mack you are correct.

    This is very much in line with the official renders we saw earlier:

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f55/18/28/77/60/pantsi11.jpg
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    Post  Viktor Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:13 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    "The shells" in the Crimea over the last month shot down several Ukrainian drones
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    Post  Viktor Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:29 pm

    Pancir-S1 is quickly proving itself to be a quite a fellow to deal with Very Happy

    It seems that it dealt with success against Israel AGM-142

    Work Syrian air defenses during the Israeli air strike December
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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:27 pm

    Very clever configuration with those truck mounted systems... you don't need guns on every vehicle, and you don't need search radar on every vehicle... a battery of 6-8 vehicles could have 2-3 vehicles with search radar and guns, while the remaining 4-5 vehicles can have extra missiles.

    that would give the chance to have a search radar searching but another one or two search radar just listening, with these vehicles switching roles and then moving to keep a good view of the local air space while remaining safe from SEAD aircraft.

    the other vehicles will be handed targets which they can engage on their own in fairly large numbers due to the extra missiles they carry.

    Assuming 8 vehicles to a battery with three having search radars being command vehicles and 5 being missile turrets that means 6 x 30mm twin barrel cannon, plus (24 x 5) + (12 x 3) missiles = 156 ready to fire missiles... which is plenty.
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    Post  medo Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:14 pm

    Pantsir-SM is no more SHORAD, but medium range SAM with similar range as Buk-M1. It doesn't need search radar on every vehicle like SHORAD need, because of shorter range. I think Pantsir-SM will cover a niche between S-350 and Pantsir-S1 in VKO and in PVO VVS.

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