I already answered this , because the Pancir search radar is like illuminating and f-35 with less then 0,1m2 RCS is undetectable to it even at 20km... it also picks up emissions even earlier at 30-40-50 km and triangulates using its advanced RWR .
Then EODAS can zoom in on the approximate area and pinpoint the pantcir truck.
OK... lets assume one Pantsir vehicle does turn its radar on to scan for targets and is detected by the F-35... what exactly can that F-35 do about it? Any weapon it might launch against the Pantsir-S1 can be shot down. Any weapon launch will confirm its presence and general location. Will all the air defence systems in this country be turned off too? What if none of the Pantsirs in the country turn on their radar and just scan optically for targets, or have mobile radar vehicles scanning and then moving every 2 minutes with a Pantsir regiment protecting them?
Even Russians make mistakes and have a few bastard children and dead end systems !
Early models were far less capable than Pantsir-S1, but were accepted by the Russian Army, which was happy with its performance.
UAE however was not and they spent the extra money for all new electronics and systems and new missiles and boosters and the new system Pantsir-S1 is the result.
But still there is allot of things that need to improve (which would increase already bloated price tag)... why you defend something even you dont belive in is beyond me.
You keep talking about things that need improvement but you never actually mention them.
Perhaps it would be easier to discuss your objections if you actually tell us what they are.
so it cant
The purpose of the optical system is to allow the vehicle to continue to engage targets under heavy jamming or SEAD attack. The search radar is turned off and the topical system is used to track both the missile and the target. The PESA tracking radar acts like a datalink to send guidance commands to the missile which is tracked optically, so the command beam will be pencil thin with almost non existent sidelobes... and they will not be continuous beams... just course corrections when needed. The chance of directional location of the vehicle at extended range is poor because it is in mmw radar frequency which is notoriously short ranged as it is absorbed by moisture in the atmosphere. You might detect faint emissions at 30km but only if the beam was directed directly at your aircraft... a few degrees either side and you would detect nothing.
Much like the F-16 that destroyed that Patriot battery... the narrow beams meant it could only launch a HARM because the battery had his aircraft locked with a continuous beam... very thin though it was his ARM was able to fly down the beam all the way to the antenna.
Wouldn't happen with the pantsir-S1 as that beam is not continuous.
You understand the only weapons that can do that are heat homers, right?
Fire and forget missiles need to lock on to a target as well. If they have an active-seeker, on a missile the size of Pantsir's, their range would be laughable.
To get true fire and forget you would need either IIR seeker, an IR seeker, or an ARH radar seeker... the IR seeker is not that reliable and IIR and ARH seekers are enormously expensive to put into something that will explode when used properly.
-I thnik you are wrong second stage is just explosives actuators proxy fuses and tail beacon. no sustainer !
The second stage weighs 74kgs, of which 20kgs is the warhead... use a bit of common sense. Hint... the R-73 has proximity fuses and actuators and 11kgs of explosives and it weighs 105kgs and has a launch range of 45kms against head on targets. The R-73 also has an IR seeker, which the SA-22 does not.
-garry you make 2 very big mistakes!
The only mistake I have seen is that burnout of the booster section happens after 2.4 seconds of flight and top speed is 1300m/s.
Look at this page:
and click on the link to the right under System Components in the combat assets section there is a link called surface to air missile, which opens up a small window.
In that window it clearly states that a time-2.4 the missiles max velocity is 1,300m/s.
Then it says "short ballistic delay during no-booster flight (40 m/s for 1 km of track);"
In other words when the booster burns out the reduction in flight speed over distance... ie drag, is 40m/s for 1km of flight.
Thats the whole point of SAM.
Unlikely as it might be it is still possible.
People die because of flawed systems.
Really? So Stinger and Igla are pointless?
Different SAMS have different roles. The fact that an Igla will likely never kill an F-35... unless they try to replace the A-10 with some sort of A-35, does not make it a failure.
Pantsir is not supposed to be shooting down F-35s either... its primary role is either to defend larger SAMs like S-400... that will shoot down F-35s, from any guided weapon that might be directed at the S-400. It has the height 15km and range 20km to perform some of the missions previously only medium range SAMs could perform, but it is still a SHORAD.
Judging it negatively because it can't replace all SAMs... well you clearly don't understand its role... it will never work alone in Russia... in some third country against another countries air force that is not NATO it might be a jack of all trades, but that is not what it was designed for.
Really ??? Then give me your sources !
Second stage sustainer rocket engine. plz.
On the above page average speed at 18km is 700m/s, and a speed loss of 40m/s per kms suggests either they have a physics breakthrough, or a sustainer motor to overcome most of the effects of drag.
9m311 is not the missile on pantcir .
No. It is the great grandfather of the current missile. But as not terminal guidance system has been added do you think they took out that sustainer rocket motor and replaced it with ballast?
i belive even its guns are primitive and quite mediocre compared to todays modern a-a gunns. the 30mm pantcir is using is the same as gunns 30 years ago ,they dont even evolve in some mechanical or constructional way
Two twin barrel guns that offer the same rate of fire as the six barrel gatling guns of the AK-630, but with rigid barrels offering superior accuracy and built in liquid evapouration cooling... yeah they were mounted on the ark, but Noah removed them because they were rubbish.
WOW... that was crap. A clip fed gun system presumably whose muzzle blast is so horrendous that the optics and radar has to be mounted on a completely separate platform (added cost of needing extra vehicles and single point of failure where the optics and radar vehicle gets smoked by an ARM then the gun vehicles become useless). Looking at the shells I would say they were the same 35mm rounds they have been using for decades but in a gatling gun that does not look all that impressive in terms of rate of fire... presumably because it seems to be clip fed rather than belt fed.
The targets were pathetically close and all subsonic... Pantsir can engage supersonic targets flying at up to 1000m/s as low as 2 metres off the water and up to 15km up and 18km distant with guns and missiles.
The whole idea of Tunguska and Pantsir is to reduce costs by combining the huge advantages of guns and missiles... they compliment each other, while having all the best optics and radars on one vehicle.
Tunguska is not cheap, but it is cheaper than an SA-13 vehicle AND a Shilka, yet it is much more capable... the 30mm guns reach to 4km compared with 2.5km for 23mm shilka, and the missiles reach 8 and then 10 and then 12 and now 20km compared with 5km for SA-13.
The amusing thing is that this German system has a network where the sensors are separate from the weapon platform... Pantsir can do that too and can remain radar and radio silent and receive target data and engage targets passively.
The video ends with the claim of 1,000 shots per minute... EACH twin barrel 2A38M gun on the Pantsir-S1 and Tunguska fires 2,500 rpm, with two guns that is 5 times higher rate of fire, which means bursts can be much shorter and arrive on target in a cluster like a shotgun blast rather than a stream of bullets... there is a reason shotguns are used for shooting small fast targets.
The huge irony of course is that the new HERMES system is unified in design with the SS-22, and it will have MMW radar and IIR as well as SALH and Glonass guided versions, which means.... in theory they could use an IIR guided or MMW radar guided missile against air targets (like Vikhr and ATAKA can be used against aircraft too), but it is very unlikely they would do such a thing because terminal guidance seekers make the missiles much more expensive.
It is a bit like buying a really cheap printer and finding out the ink costs $200 for each colour so that $100 printer costs $800 dollars to replace all the ink... (black and three primary colours).
If Pantsir was designed by our friend it would be the ultimate western weapon... amazing on paper but too expensive to actually use or train with.