Russian Ground Forces: News #1

Mindstorm wrote:
Wide area anti Visual/IR/Radar aerosol dispenser ТДА-2К successfully tested , for the first time, in masking completely -effectively causing it to disappear from TV ,radar and thermal sensors - and for a  a very big military installation (a main airfield with its surrounding area).

Does it have any foreign analogues?
If it is really that effective then when used in battle lots of offmap support like satellites, drones, cruise missiles, guided artillery, airstrikes etc. would be rendered ineffective and fighting would be more up close and personal. Hell, an Armata brigade storming a city would need to only contend with enemy tanks and heavy anti armor weapons, and if you are filling the battlespace with lots of metallic particles, might as well put chem agents in since the troops are going to fight suited up anyway.

A few more pics of the BMPT-72 I saw posted on the Otvaga2004 forums

I see 2 missile on each side total 4 , which missile are these and how does not reload the missile ?

Austin it is Shturm/Attacka.

http://lenta.ru/news/2013/09/27/scorpio/

Nice, trial batch of Scorpion-2M ordered.

Some absolutely amazing virtual panoramas   :

BTR-82A

http://defendingrussia.ru/btr/


"Tigr" light armoured vehicle

http://defendingrussia.ru/tiger/


"Scorpion" light armoured vehicle

http://defendingrussia.ru/scorpion/


Kamaz "Typhoon" - 63968

http://defendingrussia.ru/taifun/


VPK-3927 Volk

http://defendingrussia.ru/wolf/


More here: http://defendingrussia.ru/

Great find!

Always forget the BTR-80s troop compartment is in the middle of the vehicle, not very far to the back.

Russian Ground Forces to Receive 750 Units of Military Hardware

MOSCOW, October 1 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Ground Forces will receive over 750 units of military hardware in 2014, including Iskander-M missile systems and Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), the Defense Ministry said.

“In 2014, we are planning to purchase more than 750 units of military hardware [for the Ground Forces], mainly – the Iskander-M tactical ballistic missile systems, the Tornado-G MLRS, the Typhoon and Tigr-M armored vehicles,” the ministry said in a statement Monday, ahead of the Ground Forces Day celebrated in Russia on October 1.

According to the ministry, the Ground Forces received about 600 units of military hardware in 2013, including the 152-mm Msta-S self-propelled howitzers and various types of command and communications vehicles.

In addition, about 100 T-72 main battle tanks and over 100 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles were overhauled and delivered to the Ground Forces this year, the ministry said.

In line with the recent military reform, the strength of the Russian Ground Forces has been set at about 300,000 personnel, including conscripts and professional soldiers.

link

Cpt Caz wrote:

In addition, about 100 T-72 main battle tanks and over 100 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles were overhauled and delivered to the Ground Forces this year, the ministry said.

Overhaul of T-72s presumably entails upgrade to T-72B3 standard. What about BMP-2?

Cpt Caz wrote:Russian Ground Forces to Receive 750 Units of Military Hardware

MOSCOW, October 1 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Ground Forces will receive over 750 units of military hardware in 2014, including Iskander-M missile systems and Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), the Defense Ministry said.

“In 2014, we are planning to purchase more than 750 units of military hardware [for the Ground Forces], mainly – the Iskander-M tactical ballistic missile systems, the Tornado-G MLRS, the Typhoon and Tigr-M armored vehicles,” the ministry said in a statement Monday, ahead of the Ground Forces Day celebrated in Russia on October 1.

According to the ministry, the Ground Forces received about 600 units of military hardware in 2013, including the 152-mm Msta-S self-propelled howitzers and various types of command and communications vehicles.

In addition, about 100 T-72 main battle tanks and over 100 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles were overhauled and delivered to the Ground Forces this year, the ministry said.

In line with the recent military reform, the strength of the Russian Ground Forces has been set at about 300,000 personnel, including conscripts and professional soldiers.

link

So 600 pieces of equipment in 2013 and in addition 100 T-72 (B3 standard) and 100 BMP-2 modernized. Nice!

http://vpk.name/news/97696_uralvagonzavod_gotov_skoro_nachat_postavki_v_armiyu_terminatorov2.html

UVZ could soon start with deliveries of BMPT-72 to Russian army. There is a chance, that Russian MoD accept it in armament.

New equipment for the Army to be accepted in sevice within the next two years .

Of particular interest the air defense systems to be introduced : S-300V4 , BUK-M3, TOR- M2 and Verba MANPAD.

This mean that some new systems (among which BUK-M3 and Verba MANPAD) have already passed final tests for adoption and integration in the new networked architecture, while others will see introduction only in the 2015-2020 ( at example the Army-optimized tracked Pantsyr will see the light ,very likely, directly with the completion on the work of its vastly improved version ).


http://pda.itar-tass.com/c95/896605.html

Verba MANPAD what's that?  

flamming_python wrote:Verba MANPAD what's that?  

Simple google it in kirilica. Hm, can't say I've seen pictures though.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-544.html

VERBA MANPADS

25. (S) The U.S. side provided the Russians with an
open-source (2007) article that described a new Russian
MANPADS system called the VERBA. Costner read key passages
in the article to the Russian side, pointing out that the
article suggests the VERBA would enter into service in 2008.
The article also states that the VERBA will replace the
STRELA and IGLA family of systems and have a payload twenty
percent larger than either of its predecessors. Costner
asked the Russian delegation to provide additional
information on the VERBA, including if it was operational,
and if it would be marketed.

http://www.animalpolitico.com/2010/12/s-e-c-r-e-t-state-081957/

The Verba MANPADS, whose missile carries
a 3-waveband optical homer, is to oust
all variants of the Strela-2 and Igla MANPADS.
Unlike its predecessors, the Verba's
range, altitude and speed have increased by
20, 30 and 20 per cent respectively to 0.5–5.4
km, 0.01–4.5 km and 500 m/s respectively. Its
reaction time is within 8 s, and its warhead
has gained 1.5 kg more weight – an increase
of 20 per cent.

http://www.be-and-co.com/oaf_pdf/oaf040750.pdf

Verba, or "Willow" seems to replace iglas and older model MANPADs.

Sounds awesome

Good to know Russia has a next-gen system coming up in the MANPAD department too.

I am at most excited to see unveiling of S-300V4, Buk-M3 and this Verba manpad. S-300V4 will give Russia definite ABM capabilities since there is very little info on 40N6 and if it isnt released yet, then S-300v4 would be ahead of S-400 in abm capabilities.

A new manpad was needed as manpads have shown their importance in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, and now with new UAV's floating around, a cheaper solution to take them down is needed.

Igla-S seems to me to be an excellent MANPAD... I don't really see an urgent need for Verba to be honest... but a new missile wont hurt.

Mini GRAD

Caliber : 105 mm
Range : 10 km
Tubes : 20
Total rounds: 40 rounds
Time to fire : 20 seconds
Reload time : 3 minutes

Interesting post... it looks like someone has photoshopped the A-22 onto a Tigr.... except the Ogon has 22 launch tubes which is obvious from the photo... two clusters of 9 tubes with two tubes between plus two on the outside = 9 + 9 + 2 + 2 = 22.

The A-22 is also a 140mm calibre weapon with a range of just under 5km that is used by Russian landing ships as a shore barrage weapon.

The launch tube numbers is indeed 22.
Please look at the OGON picture below:


It may be a photoshop as you mentioned.
But the characteristics are different. The one in the poster is advertised as 105 mm and the tubes seem to look thinner.
Anyways it is an interesting system.
More interesting is that a large numbers of permutations are being used with the TIGR vehicle.

I want one  

Bullpup PKP?

But the characteristics are different. The one in the poster is advertised as 105 mm and the tubes seem to look thinner.
Anyways it is an interesting system.

Different systems but possibly related as they have similar roles... ie short range area bombardment to get the enemies heads down during an attack.

The fact that one system is 105mm and the other is 140mm is no great surprise as the naval model... while it looks small is not that tiny being a 2 ton system, while the mounts used on a Tigr could not be made that heavy and still be useful.

What surprises me is that Grad already had 11km range lighter missiles on a fairly mobile truck platform that was also used for anti diver use... why they didn't just use those...

Also there was a towed 12 or 16 tube trailer mount of 140mm calibre for short range use by special forces that the Chinese copied and were used by the Muj in Afghanistan against Soviet occupied cities.

Equally there are 80mm and 122mm unguided air to ground rockets in rocket pods.

All of which could have been used to make a light unguided artillery rocket system for a Tigr... I wonder why they went for a new rocket calibre/type.

Perhaps the only relationship with the Ogon is that the picture was right as both will be fully retractable to hide it when not in use so they used the image of the Ogon even though it has 20 tubes instead of 22 and is of a different calibre etc etc.

Bullpup PKP:







I think this would be the best gun to fit a back pack mounted ammo feed system...

Did Zenith actually produce that bullpup modification?

sepheronx wrote:A new manpad was needed as manpads have shown their importance in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, and now with new UAV's floating around, a cheaper solution to take them down is needed.

You raise a good point here; a cheaper MANPAD-launchable missile would be useful against UAVs.

Only trouble is the logistics of it. Do you keep the cheap missile loaded so that it's ready to fire against UAVs, or the more expensive one to use against other aircraft? By the time you changed to one or the other the threat may be gone.

It would be better, with the decreasing cost of miniaturized electronics and sensors; to just make a cheaper all-round missile that the Verba can use while at the same time with a few improvements over the Igla-S