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    Russian Ground Forces: News #1

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    Post  collegeboy16 Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:56 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Wide area anti Visual/IR/Radar aerosol dispenser ТДА-2К successfully tested , for the first time, in masking completely -effectively causing it to disappear from TV ,radar and thermal sensors - and for a  a very big military installation (a main airfield with its surrounding area).
    Does it have any foreign analogues?
    If it is really that effective then when used in battle lots of offmap support like satellites, drones, cruise missiles, guided artillery, airstrikes etc. would be rendered ineffective and fighting would be more up close and personal. Hell, an Armata brigade storming a city would need to only contend with enemy tanks and heavy anti armor weapons, and if you are filling the battlespace with lots of metallic particles, might as well put chem agents in since the troops are going to fight suited up anyway.
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    Post  Cpt Caz Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:55 pm

    A few more pics of the BMPT-72 I saw posted on the Otvaga2004 forums

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    Post  Austin Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:57 pm

    I see 2 missile on each side total 4 , which missile are these and how does not reload the missile ?
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    Post  TR1 Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:00 pm

    Austin it is Shturm/Attacka.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/09/27/scorpio/

    Nice, trial batch of Scorpion-2M ordered.
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    Post  Cpt Caz Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:03 am

    Some absolutely amazing virtual panoramas Very Happy  :

    BTR-82A

    http://defendingrussia.ru/btr/


    "Tigr" light armoured vehicle

    http://defendingrussia.ru/tiger/


    "Scorpion" light armoured vehicle

    http://defendingrussia.ru/scorpion/


    Kamaz "Typhoon" - 63968

    http://defendingrussia.ru/taifun/


    VPK-3927 Volk

    http://defendingrussia.ru/wolf/


    More here: http://defendingrussia.ru/
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    Post  TR1 Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:24 am

    Great find!

    Always forget the BTR-80s troop compartment is in the middle of the vehicle, not very far to the back.
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    Post  Cpt Caz Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:32 pm

    Russian Ground Forces to Receive 750 Units of Military Hardware

    MOSCOW, October 1 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Ground Forces will receive over 750 units of military hardware in 2014, including Iskander-M missile systems and Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), the Defense Ministry said.

    “In 2014, we are planning to purchase more than 750 units of military hardware [for the Ground Forces], mainly – the Iskander-M tactical ballistic missile systems, the Tornado-G MLRS, the Typhoon and Tigr-M armored vehicles,” the ministry said in a statement Monday, ahead of the Ground Forces Day celebrated in Russia on October 1.

    According to the ministry, the Ground Forces received about 600 units of military hardware in 2013, including the 152-mm Msta-S self-propelled howitzers and various types of command and communications vehicles.

    In addition, about 100 T-72 main battle tanks and over 100 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles were overhauled and delivered to the Ground Forces this year, the ministry said.

    In line with the recent military reform, the strength of the Russian Ground Forces has been set at about 300,000 personnel, including conscripts and professional soldiers.
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    Post  Vympel Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:21 am

    Cpt Caz wrote:

    In addition, about 100 T-72 main battle tanks and over 100 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles were overhauled and delivered to the Ground Forces this year, the ministry said.
    Overhaul of T-72s presumably entails upgrade to T-72B3 standard. What about BMP-2?

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    Post  Viktor Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:49 pm

    Cpt Caz wrote:Russian Ground Forces to Receive 750 Units of Military Hardware

    MOSCOW, October 1 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Ground Forces will receive over 750 units of military hardware in 2014, including Iskander-M missile systems and Tornado-G multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), the Defense Ministry said.

    “In 2014, we are planning to purchase more than 750 units of military hardware [for the Ground Forces], mainly – the Iskander-M tactical ballistic missile systems, the Tornado-G MLRS, the Typhoon and Tigr-M armored vehicles,” the ministry said in a statement Monday, ahead of the Ground Forces Day celebrated in Russia on October 1.

    According to the ministry, the Ground Forces received about 600 units of military hardware in 2013, including the 152-mm Msta-S self-propelled howitzers and various types of command and communications vehicles.

    In addition, about 100 T-72 main battle tanks and over 100 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles were overhauled and delivered to the Ground Forces this year, the ministry said.

    In line with the recent military reform, the strength of the Russian Ground Forces has been set at about 300,000 personnel, including conscripts and professional soldiers.
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    So 600 pieces of equipment in 2013 and in addition 100 T-72 (B3 standard) and 100 BMP-2 modernized. Nice!
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    Post  medo Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:46 pm

    http://vpk.name/news/97696_uralvagonzavod_gotov_skoro_nachat_postavki_v_armiyu_terminatorov2.html

    UVZ could soon start with deliveries of BMPT-72 to Russian army. There is a chance, that Russian MoD accept it in armament.
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    Post  Mindstorm Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:55 pm


    New equipment for the Army to be accepted in sevice within the next two years .

    Of particular interest the air defense systems to be introduced : S-300V4 , BUK-M3, TOR- M2 and Verba MANPAD.

    This mean that some new systems (among which BUK-M3 and Verba MANPAD) have already passed final tests for adoption and integration in the new networked architecture, while others will see introduction only in the 2015-2020 ( at example the Army-optimized tracked Pantsyr will see the light ,very likely, directly with the completion on the work of its vastly improved version ).


    http://pda.itar-tass.com/c95/896605.html

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:40 pm

    Verba MANPAD what's that? Question 
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    Post  Regular Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:01 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Verba MANPAD what's that? Question 
    Simple google it in kirilica. Hm, can't say I've seen pictures though.
    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-544.html
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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:28 pm

    VERBA MANPADS

    25. (S) The U.S. side provided the Russians with an
    open-source (2007) article that described a new Russian
    MANPADS system called the VERBA. Costner read key passages
    in the article to the Russian side, pointing out that the
    article suggests the VERBA would enter into service in 2008.
    The article also states that the VERBA will replace the
    STRELA and IGLA family of systems and have a payload twenty
    percent larger than either of its predecessors. Costner
    asked the Russian delegation to provide additional
    information on the VERBA, including if it was operational,
    and if it would be marketed.
    http://www.animalpolitico.com/2010/12/s-e-c-r-e-t-state-081957/


    The Verba MANPADS, whose missile carries
    a 3-waveband optical homer, is to oust
    all variants of the Strela-2 and Igla MANPADS.
    Unlike its predecessors, the Verba's
    range, altitude and speed have increased by
    20, 30 and 20 per cent respectively to 0.5–5.4
    km, 0.01–4.5 km and 500 m/s respectively. Its
    reaction time is within 8 s, and its warhead
    has gained 1.5 kg more weight – an increase
    of 20 per cent.
    http://www.be-and-co.com/oaf_pdf/oaf040750.pdf
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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:32 pm

    Verba, or "Willow" seems to replace iglas and older model MANPADs.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:27 pm

    Sounds awesome

    Good to know Russia has a next-gen system coming up in the MANPAD department too.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:41 pm

    I am at most excited to see unveiling of S-300V4, Buk-M3 and this Verba manpad. S-300V4 will give Russia definite ABM capabilities since there is very little info on 40N6 and if it isnt released yet, then S-300v4 would be ahead of S-400 in abm capabilities.

    A new manpad was needed as manpads have shown their importance in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, and now with new UAV's floating around, a cheaper solution to take them down is needed.
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:44 am

    Mini GRAD

    Caliber : 105 mm
    Range  : 10 km
    Tubes  : 20
    Total rounds: 40 rounds
    Time to fire  : 20 seconds
    Reload time : 3 minutes


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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:05 am

    Igla-S seems to me to be an excellent MANPAD... I don't really see an urgent need for Verba to be honest... but a new missile wont hurt.

    Mini GRAD

    Caliber : 105 mm
    Range : 10 km
    Tubes : 20
    Total rounds: 40 rounds
    Time to fire : 20 seconds
    Reload time : 3 minutes
    Interesting post... it looks like someone has photoshopped the A-22 onto a Tigr.... except the Ogon has 22 launch tubes which is obvious from the photo... two clusters of 9 tubes with two tubes between plus two on the outside = 9 + 9 + 2 + 2 = 22.

    The A-22 is also a 140mm calibre weapon with a range of just under 5km that is used by Russian landing ships as a shore barrage weapon.
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:22 am

    The launch tube numbers is indeed 22.
    Please look at the OGON picture below:
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    It may be a photoshop as you mentioned.
    But the characteristics are different. The one in the poster is advertised as 105 mm and the tubes seem to look thinner.
    Anyways it is an interesting system.
    More interesting is that a large numbers of permutations are being used with the TIGR vehicle.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:03 pm

    I want one Very Happy 

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    Post  TR1 Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:23 pm

    Bullpup PKP?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:41 am

    But the characteristics are different. The one in the poster is advertised as 105 mm and the tubes seem to look thinner.
    Anyways it is an interesting system.
    Different systems but possibly related as they have similar roles... ie short range area bombardment to get the enemies heads down during an attack.

    The fact that one system is 105mm and the other is 140mm is no great surprise as the naval model... while it looks small is not that tiny being a 2 ton system, while the mounts used on a Tigr could not be made that heavy and still be useful.

    What surprises me is that Grad already had 11km range lighter missiles on a fairly mobile truck platform that was also used for anti diver use... why they didn't just use those...

    Also there was a towed 12 or 16 tube trailer mount of 140mm calibre for short range use by special forces that the Chinese copied and were used by the Muj in Afghanistan against Soviet occupied cities.

    Equally there are 80mm and 122mm unguided air to ground rockets in rocket pods.

    All of which could have been used to make a light unguided artillery rocket system for a Tigr... I wonder why they went for a new rocket calibre/type.

    Perhaps the only relationship with the Ogon is that the picture was right as both will be fully retractable to hide it when not in use so they used the image of the Ogon even though it has 20 tubes instead of 22 and is of a different calibre etc etc.

    Bullpup PKP:

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    I think this would be the best gun to fit a back pack mounted ammo feed system...
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    Post  Zivo Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:59 am

    Did Zenith actually produce that bullpup modification?
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:08 am

    sepheronx wrote:A new manpad was needed as manpads have shown their importance in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, and now with new UAV's floating around, a cheaper solution to take them down is needed.
    You raise a good point here; a cheaper MANPAD-launchable missile would be useful against UAVs.

    Only trouble is the logistics of it. Do you keep the cheap missile loaded so that it's ready to fire against UAVs, or the more expensive one to use against other aircraft? By the time you changed to one or the other the threat may be gone.

    It would be better, with the decreasing cost of miniaturized electronics and sensors; to just make a cheaper all-round missile that the Verba can use while at the same time with a few improvements over the Igla-S

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