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    Project 677: Lada/Amur(export) class Submarine

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    Post  George1 Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:26 pm

    This projects ends

    Russia Scraps Plans of Additional Project 677 Submarines Construction

    The Russian Navy decided not to build Lada-class diesel-electric submarines (Project 677) since the funding will be spent on Kalina-class ships, a senior Russian Navy’s official said Tuesday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Construction of the Sankt Peterburg, the lead ship of the Project 677, began in December 1997. It was introduced into the Navy for trial operations in April 2010. Two other ships of the class have already been laid down.

    "The Navy has decided to complete the construction of two Lada-class boats and stop the work on the project. All three boats of this project will join the Baltic Fleet. Funding will be directed to the Kalina project," the official told RIA Novosti.

    He added that a Russian design bureau, Rubin, was working on the project of the submarines equipped with anaerobic (air-independent) power units, dubbed Kalina-class. Their construction is expected to be launched after 2020.

    Air-independent, closed cycle submarines, which usually use hydrogen-oxygen fuel cells, are quieter than conventional diesel-electric boats and do not have to surface or use snorkel tubes to breathe air, thereby exposing themselves to detection by radar and other sensors.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160119/1033354924/russia-plans-additional-submarines-construction.html#ixzz3xhUHEOwm
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:26 pm

    Looks like a really good move by the Navy, investing in the next generation.

    On the other hand, on the other side of the country we have more of the "10 times noisier" sub

    MOSCOW, January 16. /TASS/. A series of six conventional submarines (project 636) will be built for the Pacific Fleet, Chief of the Russian Navy's shipbuilding management department Captain 1st Rank Vladimir Tryapichnikov said on Saturday, aired by the Russian News Service radio station . "In the perspective the Navy is making attempts and, evidently, they should find a confirmation in construction of another six submarines (project 636), which would go to the Pacific Fleet," he said.

    More: http://tass.ru/en/defense/850127


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    Post  andalusia Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:14 pm

    This is an interesting read:

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/01/usa-is-not-buying-cheaper-and-deadlier.html
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    Post  max steel Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:48 pm

    Construction of Last Lada-Class Submarines to Be Completed in 2018-2019

    The two last Lada-class diesel-electric submarines (Project 677) will be constructed in 2019, an official representative of Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation said Friday."The two Lada-class Project 677 submarines will be delivered as scheduled — in 2018 and 2019," the spokesman told RIA Novosti.

    Then the construction of the new non-nuclear Kalina-class submarines will be launched," he added.Air-independent, closed cycle submarines, which usually use hydrogen-oxygen fuel cells, are quieter than conventional diesel-electric boats and do not have to surface or use snorkel tubes to breathe air, thereby exposing themselves to detection by radar and other sensors.

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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:18 pm

    USC: Τrial operations of the parent of submarines "Lada" will end in 2016

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3155171&usg=ALkJrhhbktmquJKEZ1-BGWhxk1zxO2zLWA
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    Post  zg18 Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:52 pm

    "Lada" class sub U/C, May 31st, Admiralty shipyards St. Petesburg

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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:19 am

    Operational evaluation of Russia's Lada-class lead submarine meets expectations

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/902924?_ga=1.55244651.1337049799.1447427261
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    Post  zg18 Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:08 pm

    Lada class "Sankt Peterburg" test launches cruise missiles in Barents sea


    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=432821
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    Post  franco Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:43 pm

    Second Lada sub to be delivered in 2019. Third completion date depends on financing and no word yet on any further orders;

    http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=15722
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:12 pm

    franco wrote:Second Lada sub to be delivered in 2019. Third completion date depends on financing and no word yet on any further orders;

    http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=15722

    I don't think they will be pursuing this project any further beyond completing ones they started.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:I don't think they will be pursuing this project any further beyond completing ones they started.

    Agreed.  They'll move on to the Kalina class once they've finished these three. The Lada program hasn't been a waste as they are effectively testbeds for new technoogy and a good chance to try out new solutions.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    franco wrote:Second Lada sub to be delivered in 2019. Third completion date depends on financing and no word yet on any further orders;

    http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=15722

    I don't think they will be pursuing this project any further beyond completing ones they started.

    They wouldn't have built the IAP for it if they weren't going to build more.
    Especially the VLS version which would be very useful for Russia.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:53 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:.............

    They wouldn't have built the IAP for it if they weren't going to build more.
    Especially the VLS version which would be very useful for Russia.

    They started that project back in the 90's and while they may have fixed all issues now basic design has become obsolete. They will be going with Kalina class for AIP subs.

    You mentioned VLS version. What do you know about it? If they install VLS on conventional subs it will be epic.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:20 am

    After the success of cruise missiles in the Syrian conflict it would not surprise me if they put VLS launchers in everything.

    There are options for VLS tubes in Kilo and improved Kilo designs so I would expect Lada and Kalina to have them too.
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    Post  George1 Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:29 am

    since Kalina is coming then why to keep developing Lada. This is the point i guess
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:.............

    They wouldn't have built the IAP for it if they weren't going to build more.
    Especially the VLS version which would be very useful for Russia.

    They started that project back in the 90's and while they may have fixed all issues now basic design has become obsolete. They will be going with Kalina class for AIP subs.

    You mentioned VLS version. What do you know about it? If they install VLS on conventional subs it will be epic.

    I see, so Kalina is an entirely new project, honestly i thought it was simply a re-brand of Lada like how the Graney-class became the Yasen-class.

    Yes, extremely Epic, let's see how Nato hunt's down small VLS ready Diesel/AIPs.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:51 am

    since Kalina is coming then why to keep developing Lada. This is the point i guess

    The Lada class are not bad vessels, they have just been overtaken with new technology and new systems.

    They are not still developing the Lada class they are just completing them and fitting them with new equipment to make them useful.

    To scrap them now would be to scrap three vessels that are ten times quieter than the Kilos they currently have in service.

    Kalina is designed from scratch with new systems and new technology and will be better and probably cheaper too.
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    Post  George1 Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:01 pm

    Russia will present a submarine with the newest power plant at an exhibition in Brazil

    MOSCOW, April 3 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) at the LAAD-2017 international exhibition in Brazil will present to the delegates from Latin America the Amur-1650 submarine with an air-independent (anaerobic) power plant, the corporation's press service said on Monday.

    The international Latin American exhibition of aviation and defense systems LAAD-2017 will be held from 4 to 7 April in Rio de Janeiro.

    The main advantage of an air-independent power plant is an increase in the stealth of a submarine. The submarine can be underwater without ascent to recharge batteries for a longer period of time - up to two to three weeks.

    "Specialists, experts and visitors of the exhibition can be especially attracted by the projects of the Amur-1650 submarine presented by TsKB MT" Rubin "in the form of mockups with an air-independent power plant and a diesel-electric submarine" Amur-950 ", as well as a lifeboat project For the rescue of crews of emergency submarines of project 21301, presented by "Admiralty Shipyards", "the release says.

    As part of the USC delegation, which will be headed by Leonid Strugov, First Vice President of USC at LAAD-2017, specialists of the Admiralty Shipyards and Central Design Bureau of the MT Rubin will work.

    "Within the framework of the exhibition, the members of the delegation of the Admiralty Shipyards and CDB MT Rubin plan to present the products of the enterprises to representatives of the national naval forces of the countries of the region and exchange views with potential partners on possible prospects for mutually beneficial cooperation," the press service noted.

    The Latin American exhibition and conference on aerospace and defense technologies LAAD-2017 has been held in Rio de Janeiro since 1997, every two years, in close contact with the Ministry of Defense of Brazil. USC will first introduce the indicated naval equipment on a separate stand - two years ago the corporation was represented by delegate participation.

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    Post  berhoum Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:57 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia will present a submarine with the newest power plant at an exhibition in Brazil

    MOSCOW, April 3 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) at the LAAD-2017 international exhibition in Brazil will present to the delegates from Latin America the Amur-1650 submarine with an air-independent (anaerobic) power plant, the corporation's press service said on Monday.

    The international Latin American exhibition of aviation and defense systems LAAD-2017 will be held from 4 to 7 April in Rio de Janeiro.

    The main advantage of an air-independent power plant is an increase in the stealth of a submarine. The submarine can be underwater without ascent to recharge batteries for a longer period of time - up to two to three weeks.

    "Specialists, experts and visitors of the exhibition can be especially attracted by the projects of the Amur-1650 submarine presented by TsKB MT" Rubin "in the form of mockups with an air-independent power plant and a diesel-electric submarine" Amur-950 ", as well as a lifeboat project For the rescue of crews of emergency submarines of project 21301, presented by "Admiralty Shipyards", "the release says.

    As part of the USC delegation, which will be headed by Leonid Strugov, First Vice President of USC at LAAD-2017, specialists of the Admiralty Shipyards and Central Design Bureau of the MT Rubin will work.

    "Within the framework of the exhibition, the members of the delegation of the Admiralty Shipyards and CDB MT Rubin plan to present the products of the enterprises to representatives of the national naval forces of the countries of the region and exchange views with potential partners on possible prospects for mutually beneficial cooperation," the press service noted.

    The Latin American exhibition and conference on aerospace and defense technologies LAAD-2017 has been held in Rio de Janeiro since 1997, every two years, in close contact with the Ministry of Defense of Brazil. USC will first introduce the indicated naval equipment on a separate stand - two years ago the corporation was represented by delegate participation.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=3&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170403/1491343794.html&usg=ALkJrhiHI76SpzA5u0ZbYIxE6Edo-FHIQA
     Hello very good newsGeorge1 russia russia
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:24 am


    This thing must have vertical launchers. IT MUST!!!
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:33 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This thing must have vertical launchers. IT MUST!!!

    Nope, that's the Amur-950, and of the 3 currently under construction non have VLSs if i recall, i suspect this "1650" is actually the experimental one that's currently in the water.

    Nevemind, the article mentions mockups, so no real sub.
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    Post  Isos Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:37 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur-class_submarine

    Nothing new. It's just a communication/marketing attempt to sell them. But unless russia order some of them or a country invest in their R&D (like for the pantsir) they won't be sold as it's an unproven design which even RuN didn't try.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:25 am

    Amur is the export name for the Lada class... three only of which will be built for the Russian Navy.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:11 pm


    Amur may not be built but this model bodes well for Kalina class

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    As you can see they planned vertical launchers on Amur so it should be a given for Kalina
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