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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:00 am

    Ergo , the Juan Carlos I is a better ship both in terms of Performance and Capability .
    The difference is not large and the main feature of the Juan Carlos I is irrelevant to Russia because they don't have and dont need VSTOL aircraft.

    In terms of a pure helicopter carrier the Mistral is what Russia wants to support Russian Naval Infantry operations.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:16 am

    Don't forget, part of the reason Russia went French was their shipyard experience that Russia deemed useful, as well as network command and control systems (Zenit or whatever).

    These factors are probably more important than actual ship specifics.
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    Post  Viktor Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:44 pm

    Sevastopol 

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    Post  highlander3 Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:15 am

    That's an important new capacity to project forces...
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    Post  TR1 Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:56 pm

    http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/big/8/5/9/1965958.jpg
    http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/big/6/5/9/1965956.jpg

    Vladivostock.
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    Post  George1 Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:27 am

    TR1 wrote:http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/big/8/5/9/1965958.jpg
    http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/big/6/5/9/1965956.jpg

    Vladivostock.

    very close to completion!!
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:36 pm


    here a nice video of the compeition of mistral..

    Spanish ship Juan Carlos I (L61)

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:37 am

    here a nice video of the compeition of mistral..

    Not competition now... race is over.
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:16 am

    runaway wrote:

    A mistral with 900 marines, 16 T-90 and 34 BMP-3, 4 landing craft, 8 KA-52, 4 KA-27, 4 KA-29,  


    Is this the exact capacity of the mistral??
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    Post  Viktor Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:31 am

    Great  thumbsup 

    "Vladivostok" - in the sea!

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    Post  TR1 Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:25 am

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=377175&download=2&type=.jpg

    Nice. The half of the Sevastopol, @ Baltisky.

    http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/big/1/1/5/1990511.jpg

    And the sister ship is out and about.
    Gotta say I have a feeling the defensive armament is going to suck, though not quite as suck as the French one.
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    Post  George1 Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:17 am

    Vladivostok

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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:18 pm

    Something about the homeport of the sevastopol is it the pacific fleet, the northern fleet, or the black sea fleet? I heard them all before !?!?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:40 am

    The Crimea is on the Black Sea, so the Black Sea Fleet resides here...
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:28 pm

    Has teh armament been installed yet? When do they plan to test land helos aboard this thing? Has the russian navy decided whether to put navalised pantsyrs on the mistral or will it be just crappy duets and palash?
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:02 am

    Even if it had one Duet and one Palash it would still be far better armed than the original vessel which had a turret launcher for the Mistral MANPAD... the French equivalent of Gibka, and 12.7mm HMG mountings.

    In comparison Duet with two 30mm gatling guns and Palash with 8 SOSNA laser beam riding missiles and two more 30mm gatlings is a powerful setup.

    AFAIK they will be fitting it with Pantsir-S1 and Redut VLS...
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    Post  TR1 Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:21 am

    I think it will just have Gibka and Ak-630.
    Pantsir is zero chance, no naval variant exists yet, or in close future.
    Duet would be nice, but the renders just had Ak-630.

    Crappy by Russian standards, but not quite as crappy as the French ones.
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    Post  runaway Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:08 am

    Paris will consider canceling a 1.4-billion-euro deal to deliver two Mistral-class warships to the Russian Navy if Moscow provokes further escalation in Ukraine, the French foreign minister has said.

    Well well, will France really go through with this, where does it leave russia? Buying somewhere else takes time and building one of its own even longer.

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    Post  TR1 Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:15 am

    Leaves Russia billions of rubles richer.

    Let's hope the French decide to go full retard and cancell the deal Very Happy .
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    Post  TheArmenian Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:08 am

    TR1 wrote:Leaves Russia billions of rubles richer.

    Let's hope the French decide to go full retard and cancell the deal Very Happy.

    Not only that. In case the French cancel the deal, they will have to pay a huge cancellation penalty.

    Oooh the irony  Laughing 

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:17 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Leaves Russia billions of rubles richer.

    Let's hope the French decide to go full retard and cancell the deal Very Happy.

    Not only that. In case the French cancel the deal, they will have to pay a huge cancellation penalty.

    Oooh the irony  Laughing 

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/724110

    Really hope they cancel that sale.. Russia dont need mistrals..

    Russia could take that money instead saved and build a brand new stealth Cruiser warship..
    With S-500 defenses +pansir + Kaliber missiles and 2 helicopter pads. for 3-4 helicopters.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:29 am

    And they get stuck with two Largely Complete carriers that may not be compatible with their helicopters...

    But I think the situation will stabilise... Crimea will return to Russia, the coup leaders in Ukraine will eventually allow a vote and will of course be immediately be voted out and cooler heads will prevail.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:38 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Really hope they cancel that sale.. Russia dont need mistrals..

    And Russia could end up earning lots of money from penalties Very Happy

    Disruption contract "Mistral" suggests serious penalties
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    Post  macedonian Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:33 pm

    Haha.
    Would LOVE to see the French cough-up 700 000 000 euros in penalties.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:14 am

    Viktor wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Really hope they cancel that sale.. Russia dont need mistrals..

    And Russia could end up earning lots of money from penalties Very Happy

    Disruption contract "Mistral" suggests serious penalties

    Honestly i don't believe is such kind of miracles.. French will bark but no way they will cancel such order..

    With the money ..that Russia can save.. they could easily create 2 new ,stealth Cruisers with capabilities for up to 4 helicopters each.

    1)Cruiser #1 stealth super cruiser defensive warship.  
    100x S-500s missiles  and 400 x S-400s and 100 x Kalibers missiles , Pantisr naval version..
    Later call the warship CAtherine the Great..

    2)Cruiser #2  Stealth Super Cruiser offensive warship.
    150x Tor-M2. +400x Kalibers + 12 Iskander-M missiles + 4xSmerch tube rockets.
    Later call the warship.. Ivan the terrible.

    Both ship operate in pairs ..and have a Pair of them in every most important naval base.
    One in black sea ,another in Baltic .

    we can hope no? Very Happy 



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