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    Post  RTN on Tue May 05, 2020 2:08 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote: Furthermore in Soviet times most nations that received those kind of airplanes never paid soviet union  for them, but got them practically for free.

    Do provide that list.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue May 05, 2020 2:26 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote: Furthermore in Soviet times most nations that received those kind of airplanes never paid soviet union  for them, but got them practically for free.

    Do provide that list.

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    I do not smoke and never did, maybe you do and I suggest you do not attack other forum members ....

    Anyway, it is fully off topic, but, as you should know if you followed recent Soviet and Russian foreign policy...Russia wrote off the debt of many nations that bought weapons from soviet union and failed to pay.

    In the last 20 years Russia wrote off 32billions dollar of Cuban debt, 20 billions from various African states, 9.5 billions from Vietnam, a similar amount from  Nord Korea, 11 billions from Mongolia and about 10 billions from Syria


    https://www.indepthnews.net/index.php/the-world/russia/3077-a-glimpse-of-russian-policy-of-writing-off-african-debts


    The aid was primarily through weapon deliveries, African countries owed nearly $20 billion.


    https://www.rbth.com/history/329403-countries-own-russia-money

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/russia-writes-off-cuban-debt

    https://www.uawire.org/lavrov-explained-forgiven-debts-to-other-countries

    “A few years ago, we wrote off several billion dollars in loans to African countries that were granted during the Soviet era, which we would never receive because in legal terms, it is very hard to prove the currency rate at which these funds were borrowed,” Lavrov explained.

    Some loans were granted to organizations that fought for independence and were not state actors. In this case, it is impossible to demand payment of the debts, as they were not initially based on any international legal agreements.

    According to estimates of independent experts, Russia has lost $140 billion dollars as a result of this unrecoverable debt.
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    Post  RTN on Tue May 05, 2020 6:04 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:maybe you do and I suggest you do not attack other forum members

    Mostly cubans.

    I'm not surprised that you couldn't provide a list of aircraft that the Soviet Union distributed for free around the world. Instead you provided a list of countries whose debt was written off by Russia. Agreed. But that's because those countries borrowed money from Russia to finance their economy and eventually failed to repay. So Russia had to write it off as bad debt.


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    Post  mnztr on Tue May 05, 2020 6:54 pm

    Yes the Yak vs MIG21 depends..on the pilot. If the MIG pilot is dumb enough to get into a slow turning fight he might loose. But if he presses his speed, climb and altitude advantages he can always escape and reengage.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue May 05, 2020 7:17 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:maybe you do and I suggest you do not attack other forum members

    Mostly cubans.

    I'm not surprised that you couldn't provide a list of aircraft that the Soviet Union distributed for free around the world. Instead you provided a list of countries whose debt was  written off by Russia. Agreed. But that's because those countries borrowed money from Russia to finance their economy and eventually failed to repay. So Russia had to write it off as bad debt.



    In italian we say "ci sei o ci fai?" That means are you stupid (or in this case are you a troll) or are you playing stupid?

    Anyway, all of these countries received military equipment (in many cases also military aircrafts) and never paid for them.


    I do not have time to lose for a troll, but just looking at the list of historical mig21 operators  here

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_operators

    You can see that among the countries mentioned above
    Vietnam received hundreds of aircrafts

    Vietnam People's Air Force. The VPAF received the first of its 20 or 30 'MiG-21F-13' fighters in 1965; 30 'MiG-21PFL's, a special variant for Vietnam, were delivered in 1966 (some historians refer to this variant as 'MiG-21PFV' (V = Vietnam), but this is denied by the MiG OKB); either 100 or 110 'MiG-21PFM' were delivered starting in 1968; sixty 'MiG-21MF' were delivered around 1970; several batches of 'MiG-21bis' izdeliye 75B were delivered starting in 1979(...)


    Mongolia received 44 mig 21 between 1977 and 1984,

    Cuba, Syria, North Korea also received many mig 21 (and some of them are still operative), and several African (and south asian) countries also bought (and never paid) mig21 aircraft (I did not include here other african countries thatbought them later second hands from poland or other soviet satellite nations).
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    Post  Isos on Tue May 05, 2020 11:54 pm

    USSR gifted lot of countries with huge numbers if hardware. But that wasn't the same situation as today. They were a communist country, benefits were not a goal and the world was bi-polar, by doing so they kept those countries away from US hands.

    Now they can dream about having Migs as a gift, even Serbians had to pay for some modernization in order to receive for free only 6 old mig-29A.
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    Post  Azi on Wed May 06, 2020 12:07 am

    Isos wrote:USSR gifted lot of countries with huge numbers if hardware. But that wasn't the same situation as today. They were a communist country, benefits were not a goal and the world was bi-polar, by doing so they kept those countries away from US hands.

    Now they can dream about having Migs as a gift, even Serbians had to pay for some modernization in order to receive for free only 6 old mig-29A.
    Yugoslavia was a socialist country, but not a real friend of USSR Wink They paid for every single piece of equipment ;D
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    Post  Isos on Wed May 06, 2020 1:14 am

    I was talking about last year delivery of mig 29. They were given for free but serbia had to pay for their modernization which is not really a modernization.

    Times when fighters were gifted are long gone. Now you pay for everything.

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