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    Su-30 for Russian Air Force

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    Post  Mike E Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:55 pm

    Interesting how the Su-30SM will replace the Su-24 there... After all, they are completely different classes of aircraft!

     - It does seem like they can carry a similar payload.
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    Post  medo Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:22 am

    I'm sure there will be more orders for both RuAF and RuNAVY. This year there will be 37 Su-30SM produced and with such tempo next year IAPO will finish orders. In situation like now, Russian MoD will need more of them and I hope they will buy more than 200 of Su-30SM for both RuAF and RuNAVY.



    Mike E wrote:Interesting how the Su-30SM will replace the Su-24 there... After all, they are completely different classes of aircraft!

    - It does seem like they can carry a similar payload.

    Su-30SM is multirole fighter and could do all tasks of Su-24 and at the same time it could also do air defense duties, which Su-24 could not do. Su-30SM could carry Yakhont and Klub anti-ship and cruise missiles. India place their Brahmos missile on Su-30MKI. Klub missile with 600 km range is very potent weapon and with long range of Su-30SM, they could attack ships very far away. Unfortunately MiG-29K could not carry those big missiles. No doubt naval regiment of Su-30SM in Kamchatka will use those planes in full capabilities.
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    Post  Mike E Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:47 am

    medo wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Interesting how the Su-30SM will replace the Su-24 there... After all, they are completely different classes of aircraft!

    - It does seem like they can carry a similar payload.

    Su-30SM is multirole fighter and could do all tasks of Su-24 and at the same time it could also do air defense duties, which Su-24 could not do. Su-30SM could carry Yakhont and Klub anti-ship and cruise missiles. India place their Brahmos missile on Su-30MKI. Klub missile with 600 km range is very potent weapon and with long range of Su-30SM, they could attack ships very far away. Unfortunately MiG-29K could not carry those big missiles. No doubt naval regiment of Su-30SM in Kamchatka will use those planes in full capabilities.
    I don't doubt that... I figured that they could go with both the Su-34 and SM, which would give them more overall payload etc.
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    Post  navyfield Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:36 am

    i agree su-24 with its swing wing ,is obsolete ,but its true succesor should be su-34 not su-30 (version). su-34 tail looks perfect for MAD detector . probably some russian military complex lobbying...
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    Post  medo Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:18 pm

    navyfield wrote:i agree su-24 with its swing wing ,is obsolete ,but its true succesor should be su-34 not su-30 (version). su-34 tail looks perfect for MAD detector . probably some russian military complex lobbying...

    Depend on what navy need. They have anti-sub planes and they need to replace old Su-24. Su-34 is bigger and more expensive and they are now primarily build for RuAF. Su-30SM could do all tasks as Su-34 could do in navy, but in air defense tasks Su-30SM is better than Su-34. Su-30SM squadrons in Crimea, Kaliningrad and in Kamchatka will also defend naval bases.
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    Post  George1 Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:50 pm

    medo wrote:
    navyfield wrote:i agree su-24 with its swing wing ,is obsolete ,but its true succesor should be su-34 not su-30 (version). su-34 tail looks perfect for MAD detector . probably some russian military complex lobbying...

    Depend on what navy need. They have anti-sub planes and they need to replace old Su-24. Su-34 is bigger and more expensive and they are now primarily build for RuAF. Su-30SM could do all tasks as Su-34 could do in navy, but in air defense tasks Su-30SM is better than Su-34. Su-30SM squadrons in Crimea, Kaliningrad and in Kamchatka will also defend naval bases.

    right and also even if su-24 role isnt the same as su-30sm consider that su-30sm is a modern aircraft and can perform all tasks the su-24s did as naval strike aircrafts
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:50 am

    Just like the upgraded MiG-29SMT or M2 or K2 could do all the precision strike that previously dedicated aircraft like the MiG-27K and Su-24 performed, the new multirole Su-30s should be able to replace the older Su-24M in the anti shipping role.

    I rather suspect the upgrades of the Tu-22M3M together with the upgraded multirole Su-27 and Su-30s should be able to allow for the withdrawl of the Su-24.

    I am not even sure that the Su-34 has naval applications yet...
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:52 am

    GarryB wrote:

    I am not even sure that the Su-34 has naval applications yet...

    No it hasnt, thats why they put su-30sm as replacement of naval su-24s
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:14 am

    http://www.janes.com/article/42851/russian-navy-orders-additional-su-30sm-fighters

    Russia has ordered another seven Sukhoi Su-30SM multirole fighter aircraft for the Russian Navy, it was announced on 5 September.

    The contracts were signed by Russian Deputy Defence Minister Yury Borisov and Irkut Corporation President Oleg Demchenko.

    "These modern aircraft, capable of destroying air, surface, and ground targets, allow us to increase substantially the potential of naval aviation," said Borisov.

    The Russian government reported it will pay RUB13 billion (USD360 million) in all, or about USD50 million per aircraft. The contract was signed during the 10th International Seaplane Exhibition 'Gidroaviasalon-2014' in Gelendzhik.

    Borisov said this was the second order for the Russian Navy. In July, the navy received the first three Su-30SM fighters ordered under a late 2013 contract for five aircraft.

    Also in Gelendzhik, Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Viktor Chirkov said that naval aviation will receive 10 MiG-29K carrier fighters, one An-140 transport, and one Be-200 seaplane before the end of 2014.

    Ten MiG-29K aircraft would give the navy a fleet of 14 aircraft, and 10 more will be received in 2015, according to Adm Chirkov.

    He also said the navy intended to procure a total of six Be-200 amphibians. Three will form a search-and-rescue detachment for the Pacific Fleet; the remaining three will be based at Yeysk, presumably to cover the same mission for Russia's western fleets.
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    Post  navyfield Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:09 pm

    su-34 was advertised as a naval aircraft . that plane shouldnt have been made since su-30 versions can cover everything.
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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:37 pm

    navyfield wrote:su-34 was advertised as a naval aircraft . that plane shouldnt have been made since su-30 versions can cover everything.

    i think su-34 is clearly a tactical bomber, while su-30 a strike/multirole fighter like american F-15E and F/A-18E/F
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:57 pm

    George1 wrote:
    navyfield wrote:su-34 was advertised as a naval aircraft . that plane shouldnt have been made since su-30 versions can cover everything.

    i think su-34 is clearly a tactical bomber, while su-30 a strike/multirole fighter like american  F-15E and F/A-18E/F
    Makes sense...
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    Post  Giulio Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:00 pm

    Hello.
    But can the Russian Navy take under its command the aircrafts of the Air Force like Su-27 and Mig-31?
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    Post  medo Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:46 pm

    Giulio wrote:Hello.
    But can the Russian Navy take under its command the aircrafts of the Air Force like Su-27 and Mig-31?

    By the orders from higher levels as in any military.
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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:38 am

    Russia Deploys SU-30 Fighter Jets in Crimea

    SEVASTOPOL, September 12 (RIA Novosti) – Russia has deployed Su-30 fighter jets at the Belbek air base near Crimea’s Sevastopol, acting Sevastopol governor told RIA Novosti in an interview Friday.

    “New Su-30 aircraft have already been deployed in Belbek,” Sergei Menyailo said.

    He did not say how many Su-30 fighter jets were deployed, but RIA Novosti sources estimated their number at up to 20 aircraft.

    According to the official, the Russian Defense Ministry plans to deploy military aircraft at four airfields in Crimea, including Belbek.

    The Russian government has decided that Belbek will be used as a joint airdrome, for military and civilian purposes, and for both domestic and international flights.

    The ministry will also address the issue of the Chersoneses airdrome in Sevastopol, where "the landing strip is still in relatively good condition, but no longer fully meets all the requirements," Menyailo said.

    The official also said that the airfield network in Crimea was highly developed in the Soviet era, but "during the period of time spent as a part of Ukraine, it was abandoned." The government would consider restoring it for the development of small aircraft, Menyailo said.
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    Post  medo Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:10 am

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    Post  medo Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:21 pm

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    Armed with some missiles. Still R-27 missiles.
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    Post  medo Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:32 pm

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    Interesting color scheme on under side.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:09 am

    The R-27 has been the standard medium range IR and radar guided AAM of the last two decades... it would be cheaper than an R-77 and available in stocks and with the rather more powerful new radars fitted to these aircraft having an SARH missile is not such a problem.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:06 am

    GarryB wrote:The R-27 has been the standard medium range IR and radar guided AAM of the last two decades... it would be cheaper than an R-77 and available in stocks and with the rather more powerful new radars fitted to these aircraft having an SARH missile is not such a problem.
    Yep, R-27 is still both a versatile and capable missile despite its age. - What will replace it? The Morfei has too short range etc.
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    Post  medo Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:17 am

    R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:18 am

    medo wrote:R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
    You raise a great point.... Newer missiles should belong to more advanced aircraft that can completely utilize them, and older missiles should......
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    Post  medo Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:28 am

    Mike E wrote:
    medo wrote:R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
    You raise a great point.... Newer missiles should belong to more advanced aircraft that can completely utilize them, and older missiles should......

    They don't need to place on planes new real missiles, but they have to use new missiles training rounds. For air patrols and life firing exercises they could still use old R-27, which they have in stocks.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:49 pm

    medo wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    medo wrote:R-27 is still good for peace time air patrols and air exercises. But for planes like Su-30SM and Su-35 equipped with Bars-R or Irbis radar, this old missile is practically degrading their combat capabilities and they need in their armament more capable missiles as RVV-AE (R-77 type) and RVV-BD (R-37 type) missiles to exploit their capabilities in full. New planes simply need new armament and crews have to become familiar with them.
    You raise a great point.... Newer missiles should belong to more advanced aircraft that can completely utilize them, and older missiles should......

    They don't need to place on planes new real missiles, but they have to use new missiles training rounds. For air patrols and life firing exercises they could still use old R-27, which they have in stocks.
    That is what I *should* of said.
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    Post  eridan Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:58 pm

    I can't find any info from reliable websites (producers, exporters, users, etc) about new batches of r27 missiles, designed in 2000s or later, and produced and fielded since. for r-73 and r-77 there ARE news about new batches and versions, making the whole question even more peculiar.

    Perhaps it's possible the fielded r27s are still 1980s designs that are continually being refurbished, but are otherwise technologically some 25+ years old.

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