Questions Thread: Russian Navy

It is not easy to find all info about state of the art torpedoes being used by Russian navy, but here is what I got.
Russian navy currently uses two types of state of the art torpedoes, thermal and electric torpedoes.

Thermal torpedoes (which use fuel as a propellant)  

1. UGST (Fizik) in service since 2002

Caliber, mm: 533.4
Length, mm: 7200
Weight, kg: 2200
Warhead weight, kg: 300
Speed, knots: 50
Range, km: 50
Depth, m: up to 500
Firing depth from submarines, m: up to 400

2. Fizik2 or Futlyar was accepted to service in 2017
Engine: gas-turbine with pump-jet
Operational range 60 km
Maximum depth 500 meters
Maximum speed 60 kn
Guidance system: Wire, active and passive acoustic/wake homing

Electric torpedoes 

UET-1 Ichthyosaurus in service since 2018
Maximum range: 25km
Max speed: 50 knots

contract for 73 UET-1 torpedoes was signed in 2018 to be delivered by 2023.
In February 2022 there were reports about plans to boost their production and equip all submarines with them after they equip Project 636.3 submarines first.

How much should Russia be concerned about France's new Suffren class submarines? These new submarines don't have any traditional periscope as well as jet/pump propulsion.  Does the Russian Defense Department know anything about this and do they have any countermeasures?





https://www.popsci.com/new-french-submarine-suffren-no-periscope/




https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/02/frances-new-submarine-will-be-even-quieter-than-the-ocean/

There will not be enough of them to be relevant. Sorry but that is how it is.
These guys will be mostly patrolling their own waters anyway.

Might be a new technological step forward, or might just be a silly fringe trend, they will likely have a look and try to work out its advantages and potential issues and if they think it has potential they might try something themseles.

They have pumpjet powered subs, and their current designs are very sophisticated and capable... I am not sure they should be overly frightened that France has a new sub design.

I know that Kilo class submarines were exported to other countries like Algeria, India and China.  However, why didn't the Soviet Union or Russia in the 90s export the Tango class submarines to other countries? They could have been retrofitted using AIP and modernized and exported to countries like Venezuela, Peru, Iran and a few others?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango-class_submarine

andalusia wrote:I know that Kilo class submarines were exported to other countries like Algeria, India and China.  However, why didn't the Soviet Union or Russia in the 90s export the Tango class submarines to other countries? They could have been retrofitted using AIP and modernized and exported to countries like Venezuela, Peru, Iran and a few others?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango-class_submarine

Because France, Germany and other were offering modern submarines for export. You can't compete with an old design and countries can't compete with  tango submarine against their enemies which are buying those modern submarine from western countries.

The Tango class was a rather good class of submarine, I doubt they wanted to sell them off when they were using them for themselves.

Isos wrote:

andalusia wrote:I know that Kilo class submarines were exported to other countries like Algeria, India and China.  However, why didn't the Soviet Union or Russia in the 90s export the Tango class submarines to other countries? They could have been retrofitted using AIP and modernized and exported to countries like Venezuela, Peru, Iran and a few others?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango-class_submarine

Because France, Germany and other were offering modern submarines for export. You can't compete with an old design and countries can't compete with  tango submarine against their enemies which are buying those modern submarine from western countries.

Good point. I was just thinking that the Tango class was still a fairly new sub when it was retired in the 90s and could have been exported with modern tech.



https://www.navygeneralboard.com/the-tango-class-russias-rubber-submarine/

andalusia wrote:

Isos wrote:

andalusia wrote:I know that Kilo class submarines were exported to other countries like Algeria, India and China.  However, why didn't the Soviet Union or Russia in the 90s export the Tango class submarines to other countries? They could have been retrofitted using AIP and modernized and exported to countries like Venezuela, Peru, Iran and a few others?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango-class_submarine

Because France, Germany and other were offering modern submarines for export. You can't compete with an old design and countries can't compete with  tango submarine against their enemies which are buying those modern submarine from western countries.

Good point. I was just thinking that the Tango class was still a fairly new sub when it was retired in the 90s and could have been exported with modern tech.



https://www.navygeneralboard.com/the-tango-class-russias-rubber-submarine/

are you kidding? Tango class a fairly new sub ???

George1 wrote:

andalusia wrote:

Isos wrote:

andalusia wrote:I know that Kilo class submarines were exported to other countries like Algeria, India and China.  However, why didn't the Soviet Union or Russia in the 90s export the Tango class submarines to other countries? They could have been retrofitted using AIP and modernized and exported to countries like Venezuela, Peru, Iran and a few others?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango-class_submarine

Because France, Germany and other were offering modern submarines for export. You can't compete with an old design and countries can't compete with  tango submarine against their enemies which are buying those modern submarine from western countries.

Good point. I was just thinking that the Tango class was still a fairly new sub when it was retired in the 90s and could have been exported with modern tech.



https://www.navygeneralboard.com/the-tango-class-russias-rubber-submarine/

are you kidding?  Tango class a fairly new sub ???

I read that they were built between 1972 to 1983 and Russia began retiring them in the mid 90s.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/641b.htm



I don't know when submarines become obsolete but some military weapons can be improved and brought up to standards like the improved Kilo.

I think Garry B would be better to explain about the costs of operating and maintaining a submarine annually. I hope he answers this question.


Also when does a military weapon become obsolete? I know the Mig 29 was introduced in 1982 and it is still a capable aircraft with upgrades like the Mig 29M.

Is there more that the Rus Navy can do in Ukraine? And have their VLS vessels been used to shoot Kalibre at Azov?


And does anyone know what happened between USS Harry S Truman and Ustinov & Varyag?

The Tango class SSK was a good boat, but the Kilo was smaller and lighter with comparable weapons but faster.... the Tango was a good upgrade from the Foxtrot it replaced... all three... Foxtrot, Tango, and Kilo are long range conventional subs, they were all very good for their time.

Being long range subs they were (foxtrot and kilo) or would have been (Tango) popular on the export market, but the Tango never really went on the export market.

They retired the last one in 2016 which is a good innings for such a vessel.

Their operational costs are much lower than for nuke powered boats and they were more used for ambush operations in shallower waters against western SSNs, which were bigger and more cumbersome in shallow waters.

History is about to repeat with the Improved Kilos (project 636 that already replaced the early model project 877 kilos) being replaced by Ladas (Project 677).

Hello, does anyone know something new about the "Admiral Makarov"? What happened to the frigade? It looks like today she's in harbor, in Sevastopol and not at the bottom of the sea. Am I wrong?

Giulio wrote:Hello, does anyone know something new about the "Admiral Makarov"? What happened to the frigade? It looks like today she's in harbor, in Sevastopol and not at the bottom of the sea. Am I wrong?

Correct! Just another Ukrainian victory using a video war game

Giulio wrote:Hello, does anyone know something new about the "Admiral Makarov"? What happened to the frigade? It looks like today she's in harbor, in Sevastopol and not at the bottom of the sea. Am I wrong?

Our son returned today. All is normal in Flot.

auslander wrote:

Giulio wrote:Hello, does anyone know something new about the "Admiral Makarov"? What happened to the frigade? It looks like today she's in harbor, in Sevastopol and not at the bottom of the sea. Am I wrong?

Our son returned today. All is normal in Flot.

Good to hear from you again old friend!

auslander wrote:

Giulio wrote:Hello, does anyone know something new about the "Admiral Makarov"? What happened to the frigade? It looks like today she's in harbor, in Sevastopol and not at the bottom of the sea. Am I wrong?

Our son returned today. All is normal in Flot.

Great news, and its nice to hear from you again! A few of us were getting a little concerned given you had gone black for awhile.

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auslander wrote:
Our son returned today. All is normal in Flot.
Great news, and its nice to hear from you again!  A few of us were getting a little concerned given you had gone black for awhile.

My friend, and all of you, for us it's been a fairly rough year. One month full lockdown quarantine in September of last year, no one allowed out or in until the full treatment protocol was completed and signed off with copies to us. Food sucked but one could 'order out' and Rusburger did a land office business at Hospital #12 and still does. Of course guards had to take the food parcels but they done good, Rusburger has been known to deliver at 03:00 if you wanted. After a few days locked in VCO and I got together with some others, four men or four women to a room, one of those locked down is an accountant, he set up a chart and payment schedule for anyone who wanted/needed food. Not everyone is as fortunate as my bride and I are so some of us quietly made sure anyone who wanted to order out could.

Inmate food? At the time we had six rather large dogs, massive collies 2.5 meters tip of nose to tip of tail. Took the last day's little plastic containers of food home with us and neither Old Ruslan (at the time 18 years), his son Aleksandr, blue Sophia and her black/white half sister and Aleksandr's wife Ella would touch it. Food caterer has changed dramatically once that little video went where it had to go. Kat things wouldn't go near it.

Arestovich confirm, that nothing happened to frigate Admiral Makarov...

Have you guys heard of this US spy submarine Jimmy Carter?


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-navy-has-one-nuclear-spy-submarine-so-secret-we-know-24603


I hope Russia is investing in a lot of these submarines; I hope that Russia doesn't fall behind the US in this:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11110/the-future-of-naval-warfare-will-have-a-lot-more-spy-submarines

Most SSNs are spy submarines... and Russia has its fair share of "special subs" too.

Should this concern Russia? https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/navys-85-foot-orca-unmanned-submarine-will-be-a-minelayer-first

Yes, but Russia has more minesweepers than most other navies... they take the threat very seriously...

In the past I would have said Russia wouldn't care much because even if Russia was totally land locked they would still function, whereas it is the US that is heavily reliant of sea lanes operating normally for commerce to continue and feed their economy.

Now that the west has rejected them and is openly promoting the murder of Russians, Russia has to look to the rest of the world for trade and allies, so moving forward investment and spending on naval equipment is going to become much more important to their economy and their future.

The thing is that in the 1980s the Soviets developed sea mine fuses that they could attach to conventional aircraft bombs, which could be carried by normal aircraft flown out to sea and dropped as mines... shallow waters and choke points you could fly a bomber like a Tu-22M3 through that could drop three or four 3,000kg FAB-3000s that would make a big splash and then sink to the bottom and then wait for ships or subs to sail past and boom... in very shallow waters they could use FAB-100, FAB-250, FAB-500, FAB-1500... they have a wide choice of conventional dumb bombs they could fit with a tail fuse with a MAD sensor or a noise sensor...

I would say Poseidon is more impressive to be honest... and who knows... they might have a version that drops small nuclear mines as it travels to spread the destruction around.

Idk where to ask this , so I put it here :

What is the status of the Harmony seabed sonar system?

This system is very important to track US and NATO submarines

GUGI missions involve laying these sensors, but has there been any confirmation that these sensors are working at the moment?

Not sure anyone here would know and if they did I think I prefer they didn't say anyway....