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    Post  LMFS on Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:01 pm

    And besides they were crappy ships, so the VMF was rather relieved by losing them Wink
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    Post  Isos on Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:11 pm

    LMFS wrote:And besides they were crappy ships, so the VMF was rather relieved by losing them Wink

    Not so crappy. They ordered them.

    Sure if you compare them to kirovs they are crappy but if you compare them to other russian landing ships they are better than anything else.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:19 pm

    Isos wrote:
    LMFS wrote:And besides they were crappy ships, so the VMF was rather relieved by losing them Wink

    Not so crappy. They ordered them.

    Sure if you compare them to kirovs they are crappy but if you compare them to other russian landing ships they are better than anything else.
    Well they were under-armed, and needed to be treated for Artic/Sub-Arctic conditions. Ideally IMO the new landing ships should have an element of ice-breaking ability built in to the stern.
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    Post  LMFS on Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:44 pm

    Who was minister then? That says it all. The industry and the military were not specially amused about the deal, as with so many of his incompetent decisions.

    The vessels were not warships in the sense Russia understands it. They got their money back and now they will build something hopefully better, everybody happy thumbsup
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    Post  Isos on Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:05 pm

    Deal sucked for Russia but the ships are very good for their role and their role isn't to be armed like destroyers.

    Defensive weapon on turret like kashtan can be easily added but the ship isn't supposed to go in a contested zone alone and will wait that enemy anti ship forces are destroyed before being used for landing. It would also be protected by at least 2 other ships all the time during a war.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03 am

    They would have used them if they had been allowed to get them, and despite not being ideal for their purposes I think they would have been decent ships.

    No ships are perfect and all have some vices... by now the Russians would have had both Mistral ships in service and would likely be looking to order the next two... I would expect the first two would have gone to the Pacific Fleet and the second two to the Northern Fleet operating at each end of the new North Sea Route as well as the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

    But France decided that Russia is evil and dangerous and having two Mistral class carriers would be the end of the world so they said no.... you can't have what you paid for and partially built already.

    The idea for Russia was speed... it was an already established design that was operational and fully tested so they should expect no surprises and it can go into serial production straight away... they wanted at least four, but if could have been expanded to 6 if they found them useful... which is likely.

    Well the speed was correct they had two built rather quickly, but a political decision means it is not to be.

    Russia got some ship building experience and got to look at an example of a Helicopter carrier inside and out, and Russian companies made quite a bit of the internal bits on those two carriers as well as building helicopters and other things for it too.

    Now they have laid down their own ships... it will of course take much much longer, but they can think about the design of the Mistral and make their own changes and add ons to get a ship that suits them better.

    Russia essentially wanted a ship to operate in the arctic, which I am pretty sure was never part of the design specification for the Mistral, so in that regard they can change the design to be more suitable to their needs.

    The extra time should also allow the development of new systems and equipment too... perhaps a decent large radar set they will be planning for their newbuild cruisers could be used to improve situational awareness, and I would think at a very minimum they would fit Pantsir batteries in each corner and waist positions and TOR systems as well just as basic close in defence.

    Buying the Mistrals from Egypt was never part of any plan AFAIK... they just chalked it up to a lesson in commerce and worked on creating a Russian solution to a Russian problem.
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    Post  zardof on Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:36 pm

    Tarentul missile ship is getting a new fire control system of the RFS 962 Shuya, Sevastopol, December 2020.
    Does that mean new missiles will be installed ? or just for trial ?

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    Post  COMMANDER on Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:06 pm

    I'm new to the forum. I have a few questions. I'm sorry for my bad english...

    1- How is the Russian navy now? (as technology)
    2- How against america ?
    3- How is sea power ?

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:40 pm

    COMMANDER wrote:I'm new to the forum. I have a few questions. I'm sorry for my bad english...

    1- How is the Russian navy now? (as technology)
    2- How against america ?
    3- How is sea power ?

    Thank you from now Smile

    Surface navy:

    1) Technology is better than ever, missiles are best ones in existence

    2) Close to home waters great thanks to coastal assets, away from home waters they are completely outnumbered (for non nuclear war)

    3) They still don't have sufficient number of ships to have proper "power" away from home, it will be about a decade or two before they get to that point (shorter if they commit to building more Gorshkov frigates)

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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:22 pm

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