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Ka-226 and Ansat-U
GarryB- Posts : 40417
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- Post n°26
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
That looks really really cold...
TR1- Posts : 5435
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- Post n°27
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg
Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.
Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.
George1- Posts : 18493
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- Post n°28
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
TR1 wrote:No, IRST. Retractable.
http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg
Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.
Νice helos. Why russian air force must buy french utility helicopters. Ansat can do this job
GarryB- Posts : 40417
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- Post n°29
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
The excuse usually given is that they need them for Sochi in 2014 and the Russian models can't be built and cleared for service in time...
I think if they put the money up the Russian helos would be ready and do a better job too.
I think if they put the money up the Russian helos would be ready and do a better job too.
George1- Posts : 18493
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- Post n°30
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Kazan Helicopters upgrading Ansat
The Ansat helicopter powered by Canadian-built PW207K engines and equipped with the innovative KSU-A fly-by-wire control system have been in production at the Kazan Helicopters plant since 2004. The first six machines have been exported to South Korea, two have been delivered to the Aviation Department of the Russian Federal Security Service, one (a medevac version) has gone to the Kazan Aviation Enterprise and one has been received by Radar-MMS company in the flying testbed variant.
The Ansat-U trainer version with redundant controls and wheeled undercarriage, which development had been ordered by the Russian Air Force and which official trials had been completed in November 2008, entered full-rate production in 2009. The first six aircraft of the type were delivered in December 2009. Three of them were brought to the Combat Training and Conversion Centre (CTCC) in Torzhok, while the other three were in autumn 2010 given to the Syzran Affiliate of the Air Force Military Training and Scientific Centre (the former Syzran Air Force Academy) specialising in training helicopter pilots for the Russian Air Force. To date, the Defence Ministry has taken delivery of as many as 18 production-standard Ansat-Us. The deliveries under the contract until 2018 are under way at a rate of six machines a year, on average.
During 2007–10, Kazan Helicopters did quite job to improve the FBW control system-fitted baseline model due to the emergence of more specific certification requirements. The efforts resulted in the Ansat-K variant that was issued a limited operation certificate in March 2010, clearing it for cargo carriage and air operations, except for passenger services. One Ansat-K was delivered to the Tatarstan Police Air Detachment in 2011.
The development of a version with the hydraulic-mechanical control system, initially designated as Ansat-1M, kicked off at about the same time. Two prototypes were manufactured. The first prototype has been in ground trials since 2011, and the second entered flight tests in May 2012. Once the new Ansat version has been certificated, it will be offered to potential customers. Kazan Helicopters presumes the output and delivery volume of the Ansat’s commercial versions may total 20 aircraft a year in the future.
http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012/761-kazan-helicopters-upgrading-ansat
The Ansat helicopter powered by Canadian-built PW207K engines and equipped with the innovative KSU-A fly-by-wire control system have been in production at the Kazan Helicopters plant since 2004. The first six machines have been exported to South Korea, two have been delivered to the Aviation Department of the Russian Federal Security Service, one (a medevac version) has gone to the Kazan Aviation Enterprise and one has been received by Radar-MMS company in the flying testbed variant.
The Ansat-U trainer version with redundant controls and wheeled undercarriage, which development had been ordered by the Russian Air Force and which official trials had been completed in November 2008, entered full-rate production in 2009. The first six aircraft of the type were delivered in December 2009. Three of them were brought to the Combat Training and Conversion Centre (CTCC) in Torzhok, while the other three were in autumn 2010 given to the Syzran Affiliate of the Air Force Military Training and Scientific Centre (the former Syzran Air Force Academy) specialising in training helicopter pilots for the Russian Air Force. To date, the Defence Ministry has taken delivery of as many as 18 production-standard Ansat-Us. The deliveries under the contract until 2018 are under way at a rate of six machines a year, on average.
During 2007–10, Kazan Helicopters did quite job to improve the FBW control system-fitted baseline model due to the emergence of more specific certification requirements. The efforts resulted in the Ansat-K variant that was issued a limited operation certificate in March 2010, clearing it for cargo carriage and air operations, except for passenger services. One Ansat-K was delivered to the Tatarstan Police Air Detachment in 2011.
The development of a version with the hydraulic-mechanical control system, initially designated as Ansat-1M, kicked off at about the same time. Two prototypes were manufactured. The first prototype has been in ground trials since 2011, and the second entered flight tests in May 2012. Once the new Ansat version has been certificated, it will be offered to potential customers. Kazan Helicopters presumes the output and delivery volume of the Ansat’s commercial versions may total 20 aircraft a year in the future.
http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012/761-kazan-helicopters-upgrading-ansat
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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- Post n°31
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Defense Ministry received six new helicopters "ANSAT-U
TR1- Posts : 5435
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- Post n°32
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
So that is 24 Ansat-U in service?
Article says 19 are in training use, but PiBu said 18 were in service previously...
Article says 19 are in training use, but PiBu said 18 were in service previously...
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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Nice. I guess we will see much more of them next year and the year after.TR1 wrote:So that is 24 Ansat-U in service?
Article says 19 are in training use, but PiBu said 18 were in service previously...
George1- Posts : 18493
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- Post n°34
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Six Ansat-U helicopters were delivered to the Sokol training air group
TR1- Posts : 5435
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- Post n°35
Ka-226 and Ansat
http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11873841@egNews
9 Ka-226s will be delivered to the training group Sokol before the end of the year. Currently the center operates 17 choppers of the type.
9 Ka-226s will be delivered to the training group Sokol before the end of the year. Currently the center operates 17 choppers of the type.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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- Post n°36
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/711410.html
3 Ka-226 ordered for medical work in Moscow.
3 Ka-226 ordered for medical work in Moscow.
George1- Posts : 18493
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- Post n°37
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
The Air Force Academy will receive six new ANSAT-U helicopters
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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- Post n°38
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Nice
The first group of cadets of the Military Training and Research Center, the Air Force pilot training was held on helicopters "ANSAT-U"
The first group of cadets of the Military Training and Research Center, the Air Force pilot training was held on helicopters "ANSAT-U"
George1- Posts : 18493
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- Post n°39
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Six Ansat-U training helicopters will be delivered to the Syzran branch of the military training scientific centre of the Air Force till the end of 2014.
http://in.rbth.com/news/2014/10/28/russian_air_force_to_receive_over_120_new_helicopters_till_yearend_39371.html
http://in.rbth.com/news/2014/10/28/russian_air_force_to_receive_over_120_new_helicopters_till_yearend_39371.html
Viktor- Posts : 5796
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- Post n°40
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Nice
"Helicopters of Russia" party handed Ka-226 Russian Defense Ministry
"Helicopters of Russia" party handed Ka-226 Russian Defense Ministry
Austin- Posts : 7617
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- Post n°41
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226
Admin- Posts : 2926
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- Post n°42
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Austin wrote:India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226
I want to know how we will deliver a helicopter with French engines with an EU arms embargo in effect. Helicopter production has slowed to a trickle as Motor Sich engines dry up.
Werewolf- Posts : 5926
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- Post n°43
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Vladimir79 wrote:Austin wrote:India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226
I want to know how we will deliver a helicopter with French engines with an EU arms embargo in effect. Helicopter production has slowed to a trickle as Motor Sich engines dry up.
The alternative for Ka-226 engines is russian VK-800V Klimow engines.
http://www.klimov.ru/en/production/helicopter/VK-800V/
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- Post n°44
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Werewolf wrote:
The alternative for Ka-226 engines is russian VK-800V Klimow engines.
http://www.klimov.ru/en/production/helicopter/VK-800V/
We are going to sell the Indians a helicopter with an engine nowhere close to certification?
Austin- Posts : 7617
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- Post n°45
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Vladimir79 wrote:Austin wrote:India ordered 200 Sergei Ka-226
I want to know how we will deliver a helicopter with French engines with an EU arms embargo in effect. Helicopter production has slowed to a trickle as Motor Sich engines dry up.
The engine would be supplied to Indians and its a 100 % TOT deal all all 200 Ka will be manufacutred in India.
Werewolf- Posts : 5926
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- Post n°46
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Vladimir79 wrote:Werewolf wrote:
The alternative for Ka-226 engines is russian VK-800V Klimow engines.
http://www.klimov.ru/en/production/helicopter/VK-800V/
We are going to sell the Indians a helicopter with an engine nowhere close to certification?
The certification will come 2016 reports say.
http://survincity.com/2013/10/jsc-klimov-began-work-on-creating-engine-vk-800v/
Promising engine VC-800B — the only project power plant is being developed now a "clean slate." How’s this project?
— Promote the project in Russia is hampered by lack of real helicopter on which the VC-800B engine could be installed. Traditionally in Russia are the objects in the class take-off weight of 10-12 tons Helicopters mass 4 — 5 m for which designed and VK-800V, and have remained on paper. In view of the characteristics of the engine competitive on the western and eastern markets, where the spread helicopters of this class, but these markets are fairly rigidly reserved. However, as we are confident in the prospects of the project, now VC-800B engine is used in the framework of the program of establishing the planned helicopter engine for developing key technologies in various fields, such as thermodynamics, gas dynamics, and materials science. A number of promising technologies will be implemented in the final version of the engine, which is scheduled for certification in 2016
GarryB- Posts : 40417
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- Post n°47
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
The french have no arms embargo against India... Russia could sell them the helos and France could sell them the engines... in fact I seem to remember they were talking about licence production of the Ka-226T in India as being the preferred option...
Having a choice of Russian or French engines would probably suit the Indians... they get a great helo and a choice of engines to suit their preference.
Certainly a choice of engines would be useful as engines for hot and high are not often suited to other uses as they tend to be over powered for more mundane purposes... which reduces their efficiency.
Having a choice of Russian or French engines would probably suit the Indians... they get a great helo and a choice of engines to suit their preference.
Certainly a choice of engines would be useful as engines for hot and high are not often suited to other uses as they tend to be over powered for more mundane purposes... which reduces their efficiency.
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- Post n°48
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Austin wrote:
The engine would be supplied to Indians and its a 100 % TOT deal all all 200 Ka will be manufacutred in India.
That would require a separate deal with Safran as they are embargoed from doing business with Kamov. You don't get ToT on French engines, even Shakti is just a screw driver job.
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Admin- Posts : 2926
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- Post n°49
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
GarryB wrote:The french have no arms embargo against India...
The EU has an arms embargo... France is part of the EU.
Austin- Posts : 7617
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- Post n°50
Re: Ka-226 and Ansat-U
Vladimir79 wrote:Austin wrote:
The engine would be supplied to Indians and its a 100 % TOT deal all all 200 Ka will be manufacutred in India.
That would require a separate deal with Safran as they are embargoed from doing business with Kamov. You don't get ToT on French engines, even Shakti is just a screw driver job.
TOT is just a name for local lic manuf and maintenance , its does not mean manufacturer will transfer each and every technology but would transfer knowledge to maintain it here with local manufacturing.
Yes they might just have a seperate deal with Safran