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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue May 31, 2016 3:35 pm

    Romanian President Backs Decision to Host NATO Missile Defense System

    "The latest Russian statements concerning the anti-missile system are wrong in their essence, the system has nothing to do with Russia. They cannot intimidate us. Unfounded threats yet again confirm that our approach toward strengthening NATO security, considering Russia's position in the Black Sea, is the right one," Iohannis said as quoted by the Mediafax outlet.

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160531/1040558257/romania-nato-missiles.html

    Oxy"moron" much. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  max steel on Tue May 31, 2016 4:31 pm

    Belgium shows off Russian plane intercepts



    The Russian planes intercepted by the Belgians included a Su-27 Flanker, a Tu-134AK, an Il-76, an An-72 and an An-12PPS.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 31, 2016 4:33 pm

    max steel wrote:Belgium shows off Russian plane intercepts



    The Russian planes intercepted by the Belgians included a Su-27 Flanker, a Tu-134AK, an Il-76, an An-72 and an An-12PPS.
    Photos already in the photo thread thumbsup
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    Post  max steel on Tue May 31, 2016 4:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Photos already in the photo thread thumbsup

    What thread?
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 31, 2016 5:06 pm

    max steel wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Photos already in the photo thread thumbsup

    What thread?
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    https://www.russiadefence.net/t5140p175-russian-military-photos-and-videos-4
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 31, 2016 8:34 pm

    One of the more sobering articles I have read for a while. These are the first paragraphs and part of the last, I respectfully suggest you all read the whole thing. This is not good, I somehow doubt Putin is crying wolf this time.

    First there was the red-line announcement. On Friday in Athens there was the cross-hairs statement. By the month of October, the month before the US presidential election, there will be the trigger point.

    The US and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies are going to war with Russia, accelerating the inevitability that Russia will strike in self-defence. This is what the first and second statements by President Vladimir Putin warn. There will be no statement of warning when the trigger point arrives.

    At his press conference in Athens on Friday, Putin warned that the installation of an Aegis anti-missile base in Romania, operational this month, and the rush to do the same in Poland, are hostile acts, just short of casus belli — cause of war.

    To make this clear, Putin used a vivid phrase — быть под прицелом. It refers to gunsights or cross-hairs for targeting army artillery, airforce cannon, or naval torpedoes.

    Putin was translated by Reuters as saying: “If yesterday in those areas of Romania people simply did not know what it means to be in the cross-hairs, then today we will be forced to carry out certain measures to ensure our security,’ Putin told a joint news conference in Athens with Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. ‘It will be the same case with Poland,’ he said.” Read the Reuters report in full.

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    In Anglo-American policymaking the syndrome is called Going Native. Putin himself has suffered from the syndrome; his enemies, not his friends, have cured him.


    http://johnhelmer.net/?p=15751
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:41 am

    I don't think the result of AEGIS systems all over europe will be war.

    I rather suspect it will be either the withdrawal from the INF treaty or the new Start treaty or both rapidly followed by mass production of land based cruise missiles and IRBMs to be stationed in western Russia.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:27 am

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    http://americanews.ru/en/h54/28045.html

    Poland intends to place within its borders only one battalion of NATO, however, these forces should be enough to “deter Russian aggression,” Defence Minister Antony Macherevich said in an interview with Defense News.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2016/05/31/polish-official-battalion-enough-deter-russia/85207426/

    As it gears up to host a major NATO meeting in July, Poland is keeping its request relatively low — roughly a battalion’s worth of rotational troops inside its borders, which the country’s defense minister says will be enough to deter Russian aggression.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:23 am

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    "Exercise Anakonda 2016 (AN16) is one of U.S. Army Europe’s premier multinational training events. AN16 is a Polish national exercise that seeks to train, exercise and integrate Polish national command and force structures into an allied, joint, multinational environment.

    This exercise further supports assurance and deterrence measures by demonstrating allied defense capabilities to deploy, mass and sustain combat power.

    This exercise will involve more than 31,000 participants from 24 nations, including Albania, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the United States."
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:46 pm

    "Hunter 2016" exercise patch in Lithuania. Laughing

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:59 pm

    How do the personnel go about reconciling what they are doing? Do they have US officers glaring over their shoulders reminding them how their st*onk NATO alliance is the only thing that is stopping teh Russian Aggression? Or do they just not talk about the elephant in the room at all?
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:21 pm

    For the first time US has deployed HIMARS rocket system to Estonia

    Two US M124 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) were delivered to Estonia on Tuesday to participate in the ongoing Saber Strike military drills, the Estonian Defense Forces said.

    A C-17 Globemaster III from the 164th Airlift Wing, Tennessee Air National Guard, arrived at Tallinn Airport, Estonia, June 14, 2016. The C-17 Globemaster III brought High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) vehicles and Soldiers from B Battery, 1-181st Field Artillery, Tennessee Army National Guard to participate in exercise Saber Strike 16.

    Saber Strike is a long-standing U.S. Army Europe-led cooperative training exercise designed to improve joint interoperability through a range of missions that prepare the 14 participating nations to support multinational contingency operations.

    The M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) is a U.S. light multiple rocket launcher mounted on a standard Army Medium Tactical Vehicle (MTV) truck frame. The HIMARS carries six rockets or one MGM-140 ATACMS missile on the U.S. Army’s new Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles (FMTV) five-ton truck, and can launch the entire Multiple Launch Rocket System Family of Munitions (MFOM). HIMARS is interchangeable with the MLRS M270A1, carrying half the rocket load.

    http://defence-blog.com/news/for-the-first-time-us-deploys-himars-rocket-system-to-estonia.html
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:38 am

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    Post  Erk on Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:54 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8VP0vb9mP0

    Professor Stephen Cohen talks about the NATO buildup

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    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:01 pm

    Bulgaria Rejects NATO Fleet in the Black Sea, Romania Hurriedly Backs Off

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160619/1041590077/bulgaria-romania-nato-fleet.html#ixzz4C2OzrIqD
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:33 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:How do the personnel go about reconciling what they are doing? Do they have US officers glaring over their shoulders reminding them how their st*onk NATO alliance is the only thing that is stopping teh Russian Aggression? Or do they just not talk about the elephant in the room at all?

    They are jealous they have no MBTs of their own whatsoever.
    NATO had/has no business in the Baltics, they are more of a burden and food for our Altanticist hawks.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:07 pm





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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:21 am

    Sabre Strike



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    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:29 am

    A bit old news. NATO activities in Eastern Europe were repeatedly blasted by German political figure.

    https://www.rt.com/news/347258-steinmeier-nato-drills-warmongering/

    ‘Saber-rattling & warmongering’: German FM blasts NATO military drills in Eastern Europe

    https://www.rt.com/news/347317-schroeder-russia-germany-nato-relations/

    Russia won’t be invading NATO countries, Germany shouldn’t help start a new arms race – Schroeder

    It is unknown whether Germany will do anything stronger than pure words, but it is a sign that NATO's prestige (if any) and influence are in a sharp decline.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:43 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:





    Deranged claims:

    They claim that the military exercise was "Polish-led" but out of 31 000 troops that participated 14 000 were American; besides these there were many other troops from many other countries.

    What is a German flag doing on that assembled bridge? The last time there were German flags flying in Poland by German troops was during the Second World War.


    And for the stupid poster above, no Poland does not "eye Galicia."
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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:23 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:They claim that the military exercise was "Polish-led" but out of 31 000 troops that participated 14 000 were American

    The exercise is their largest in Poland, it's Polish. They just decided this year to invite NATO allies.
    US and Polish participation was roughly the same (14k vs 12k).

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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:37 pm

    Some ''Anakonda 16'' pics

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:41 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:They claim that the military exercise was "Polish-led" but out of 31 000 troops that participated 14 000 were American

    The exercise is their largest in Poland, it's Polish. They just decided this year to invite NATO allies.
    US and Polish participation was roughly the same (14k vs 12k).



    The U.S. is using Poland as a military training ground, and you insinuate that Poland runs the whole show.


    That is very misleading.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:14 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:They claim that the military exercise was "Polish-led" but out of 31 000 troops that participated 14 000 were American

    The exercise is their largest in Poland, it's Polish. They just decided this year to invite NATO allies.
    US and Polish participation was roughly the same (14k vs 12k).



    The U.S. is using Poland as a military training ground, and you insinuate that Poland runs the whole show.


    That is very misleading.

    The Baltics are most definitely a training and more importantly a staging ground for NATO. They have no military.
    But Poland is a capable military power of its own, across the board. I wouldn't call them training ground, rather a US partner.
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    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:18 pm

    Lithuania leader marks 'breakthrough' German troop deployment


    Germany's decision to deploy a battalion of troops to Lithuania under a NATO initiative marks a "mindset breakthrough" for Berlin towards taking a leading role in European defence, the Lithuanian president said Thursday.

    "I think we are at a historic turning point," Dalia Grybauskaite said in an interview with AFP in Vilnius on the eve of a key NATO summit, which will to seal its biggest revamp since the Cold War to counter a resurgent Russia.

    "A breakthrough is occurring in the German mindset –- time for self-doubt, fear, reluctance to take responsibility, and dread of what Putin might think, is over," she added, referring to the strongman Russian president.

    Fears that Russia could attempt to attack NATO's three small formerly Soviet-ruled Baltic member states surged after Moscow's 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, a move that sent East-West relations to their lowest point since the Cold War.

    NATO leaders on Friday will finalise plans to deploy four battalions to the Baltic nations and Poland.

    Germany will lead a battalion deployed to Lithuania, Canada to Latvia, Britain to Estonia and the United States to Poland, diplomats told AFP on condition of anonymity. Each battalion will have 600-1,000 troops.

    The historic burden of Nazism has made EU heavyweight Germany a reluctant military leader, but Grybauskaite said Berlin's role in security will only increase once Britain leaves the bloc.

    "With Britain withdrawing from the EU … responsibility for stability in Europe will increasingly fall on the shoulders of Germany -- not only for economic stability, but also for security," Grybauskaite said.

    "No matter what we think about elections in the US, we can witness the strategic direction that the United States will hand over more security responsibility to Europeans," she added.

    - 'Trust is lost' -

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday in Berlin that Russia's actions in Ukraine had eroded mutual trust with the West.

    "If through words and deeds the validity of (international) law and the inviolability of borders are questioned, then of course trust is lost," she told the German parliament.

    When NATO leaders meet in Warsaw, "it will be at a time in which the security situation has significantly changed in Europe," she said, also pointing at turmoil in Syria, Iraq and Libya.

    Grybauskaite also dismissed Russian accusations of the US-led alliance provoking an arms race in the region, insisting the West was simply reacting to Moscow's moves in Ukraine.

    NATO will hold fresh talks with Russia on July 13, just days after the landmark alliance summit.

    The NATO-Russia Council (NRC) brings together ambassadors from the 28 NATO member states and Russia, and met regularly until the Ukraine crisis plunged relations with Moscow into the deep freeze.

    Russia's ambassador to NATO Alexander Grushko told AFP: "The main focus will be on the military security in the wake of decisions to be taken at the NATO summit in Warsaw.

    "We hope for a frank and serious dialogue on the issues related to the increased NATO activities near Russian borders and their impact on the security and stability in Europe and its regions."

    US permanent representative to NATO Douglas Lute said Thursday that "from NATO's perspective, the foundation of our relationship with Russia is a balance between strength and dialogue.

    "We're going to do what we need to do on the strength side of the equation, but we'll equally be open to dialogue with Russia, because we think that balance represents the right and responsible approach to NATO-Russia relations."

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